The Most Spectacular UFO photo ever captured?

The shadow

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The first thing I did was blow up the two objects unfortunately the plane is upside down..as if reflected..
 

Todd Feinman

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Mick finally did the same over at Metabunk --adjusted the contrast & brightness in Photoshop --takes ten seconds to show that all of the reflection people are wrong.
 

The shadow

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Mick finally did the same over at Metabunk --adjusted the contrast & brightness in Photoshop --takes ten seconds to show that all of the reflection people are wrong.
What about the upside down plane?
 

Todd Feinman

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There is some discussion about the plane here:

It seems that most think the plane is upright --or a bird!
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
The military tends to think in cycles measured in I agreedecades and they hang on to old stuff forever. Hence mothball fleets and desert boneyards.

If we see a piece of previously classified equipment like a B2 Spirit it’s already more than halfway through its originally intended lifespan and it’s still secret replacement likely already operational. In terms of aircraft beyond that who knows, but an exoxtic system under development for many, many years isn’t any stretch of the imagination. Think of the rate of technical development, it probaby made previous ideas on the drawing board possible.

Also consider undersea developments. I’ve written here that we have had highly advanced deep submergence capabilities since the 70s. They’ve repurposed a number of Ohio class boomers as clandestine mission delivery vehicles. This includes SEALS and all their gadgets. Not hard to speculate that they can appear in unexpected places and that their gadgets are a combination of manned and semi/fully aurtonomous vehicles. A trans medium capability is probably old news to them at this point.

I’m not keen on ascribing old sightings to speculative vehicles, and even less so to giving them discrete abilities and performance. The real stuff is almost akways cooler than fiction.
I totally agree.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I remember reading somewhere about the appearance of pyramids/ziggurats across the globe. Different cultures, different time periods and yet a seemingly common architecture. Turns out, those are common shapes that lend themselves to ancient construction methods. Meaning, you don't have to assume these cultures had any contact whatsoever.

Careful when weaving together old cases because they sound similar, could just be a common shape currently in fashion as these things go. Cigars and portholes, city sized objects out, triangles in. Rendlesham for example, is a subject of debate and of all the people involved only a very few report the landed object and what's come out of their mouths since then is questionable.

Hard not to look for stuff like that though, I know. Cash Landrum does stand out as it left physical evidence and it does fit the description. Doesn't add or subtract anything at all to the photos we'll be debating ad nauseum. Also very interesting that the UAPTF keeps the descriptions of the shapes of the objects witnessed under wraps. Is that a little detail that went under the radar ?

You really want to speculate - 'cause it's fun - forty years might be about the right time frame to make a craft like that usefully operational.
 
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Todd Feinman

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I actually think the Cash Landrum object might have been a secret US craft that was having problems --perhaps nuclear powered. Even Stanton Friedman had been working on developing engines for nuclear powered rockets, back in the day.
 

pigfarmer

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I actually think the Cash Landrum object might have been a secret US craft that was having problems --perhaps nuclear powered. Even Stanton Friedman had been working on developing engines for nuclear powered rockets, back in the day.

We've been making radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTG) for spacecraft and landers for decades. Solar power doesn't cut it at a certain point. The wee crawlers on Mars are solar powered near the equator but have to be RTG powered by the poles because they couldn't generate sufficient power otherwise. The Voyagers are still beeping away doing their thing because their RTGs are still cooking. But they generate tiny amounts of power, certainly not enough to sustain a multi-ton object flying around in an atmosphere. So we have no idea what might be used as an exotic power source for an exotic aircraft but turns out we are the world's experts on doing stuff like that and it does beg the question as to what they might come up with.

The type of nuclear powered aircraft Friedman was involved with were real Dr. Strangelove nightmares - absolutely batshit End of the World Krazy. One of the few, if only, engines tested on a stand is still so hideously radioactive it'll be entombed virtually forever. Thing is, it worked just fine to everyone's horror. I think that sort of thing unlikely, but some derivative of that research and maybe the RTGs much more likely.

The there's lightcraft. Leik Myrabo, X Descending, Project Beta and poor Paul Bennewitz. What happened to him was very real and it happened for a reason that has become obscured. Unfairly, IMO. Instead we endure Kathleen Marden and the like. The books suggest that high powered lasers that utilize long underground tunnels could remotely power lightweight exotic craft. Not speculation, here's the patent: US6488233B1 - Laser propelled vehicle - Google Patents

Fighter aircraft were once controlled by wires and cables, then with hydraulic assist, then 'by wire.' Advances in computing technology and materials science led to revolution of sorts. Many of the front line Gen 4 and 5 fighters are aerodynamically unstable and require not just 'computer control' but several sets of them that must act far faster than a human could react and actually vote on who's right before a control input is acted upon.

One last thought. The art military of deception, what the godless commies call maskirovka is positively ancient. Trojan Horse being the oldest example I can think of (or rabbit, your choice). Confederate 'Quaker guns' allowed nervous Union scouts to see exactly what they were looking for - importantly not what was actually there. In WW1 dazzle paint schemes were used on ships to make it difficult to estimate range. In WW2 'window' - essentially Gen 1 chaff - confused radars, to make the location and size of a strike force impossible to estimate. They also experimented with paint schemes and notably very bright lights on the leading edges of wings. I've often thought that the appearance of exotic capability might be the whole point, and now we certainly have capabilities we never had before to implement that.
 

Todd Feinman

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All of this stuff is so aggravating --the fake photos, the government unwilling to provide good evidence, etc.
Anomalous objects have flown off the wing of civilian and military planes for a long time --objects with no visible means of propulsion. Elizondo has said he knows of footage of such events, and I am sure that such footage exists. It is not shown for the same reason they won't show the public better pictures of UFOs, which they certainly have, or the shapes of the UFOs --which would look very familiar. I've seen real UFOs and I know many other people who have seen them too. They are incredibly strange; shockingly so. For a long time I felt that perhaps the public / world couldn't handle such a revelation, but now things are so screwed up and people are prone to believe such nonsense, and the Internet has created such a choose-your-own-reality quagmire, I'm not sure it would even matter anymore. We've always been shooting at them --been doing so ever since we could, because that is what we do.
 

pigfarmer

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Elizondo specifically, Mellon peripherally, have chosen to associate themselves with the like of Tom DeLong and Jeremy Corbell. Add in George Knapp as well because I really have no idea how to categorize him, or Bob Bigelow for that matter. There are others for sure. Point is, there are many well intentioned people out there that unfortunately get splattered by the pure bullshit artists who are just humping the interest for their own purposes. Money, attention, what have you. Hard to take anyone seriously because it's frankly overwhelming.

Ufology and the behavior of the attendant interest groups are actually more of a hindrance to general public acceptance than government/military recalcitrance. I've posted this clip more than once because it sums it beautifully. Worth noting that Spielberg wrote this 45+ years ago. Anything changed much since then, really ?
 

The shadow

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Ok after looking at it closely.. blowing it up.
And inspection I can say that there are more questions than answers.
Where are the other 5 photos?
Where are the witnesses?
Why was the case sealed for 50 years?
Why does the UFO have an organic quality to it?
Why is the plane upside down?
I can see both arguments for hoax and real.
I'm calling this one unknown..
 

Todd Feinman

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Elizondo specifically, Mellon peripherally, have chosen to associate themselves with the like of Tom DeLong and Jeremy Corbell. Add in George Knapp as well because I really have no idea how to categorize him, or Bob Bigelow for that matter. There are others for sure. Point is, there are many well intentioned people out there that unfortunately get splattered by the pure bullshit artists who are just humping the interest for their own purposes. Money, attention, what have you. Hard to take anyone seriously because it's frankly overwhelming.

Ufology and the behavior of the attendant interest groups are actually more of a hindrance to general public acceptance than government/military recalcitrance. I've posted this clip more than once because it sums it beautifully. Worth noting that Spielberg wrote this 45+ years ago. Anything changed much since then, really ?

I think the intent to go along with Tom Delonge was to bring the UFO information to a wider, younger audience; to bring it into the spotlight for kids who may have to deal with it in the future --but it didn't work out very well!
 
I think the intent to go along with Tom Delonge was to bring the UFO information to a wider, younger audience; to bring it into the spotlight for kids who may have to deal with it in the future --but it didn't work out very well!
They should have known better. Associating themselves with a company like TTSA that has provided nothing it promised and loonies like Delonge and channels like the History Channel is dangerous and stupid. Unless of course it was done on purpose. I get the feeling Elizondo's crew is manipulating as much as it is advancing. They want to control the narrative but they do much obfuscating too. I wonder what their end goal is still? Do they want to create a mitigated escapeway for the gatekeepers out of their own mess, or are they doing this for entirely different reasons?
 
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