The Nimitz Encounters

nivek

As Above So Below
Update! 3 new witnesses have come forward as a direct result of my film. In addition to the Radar controlman Senior Chief Kevin Day and Computer tech Petty Officer Gary Voorhis, Welcome Aviation Tech Petty Officer PJ Hughes of USS Princeton, Petty Officer Jason Turner of USS Princeton and Radar operator "Roger" of VAW-117 Wallbangers.

 

wwkirk

Divine
Guest and witness to the USS Nimitz TIC-TAC UFO Incident, Kevin Day, USN ret./M.Ed with an in depth discussion on what happened off the coast of San Diego in 2004 involving the USS NIMITZ & USS PRINCETON.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Update! 3 new witnesses have come forward as a direct result of my film. In addition to the Radar controlman Senior Chief Kevin Day and Computer tech Petty Officer Gary Voorhis, Welcome Aviation Tech Petty Officer PJ Hughes of USS Princeton, Petty Officer Jason Turner of USS Princeton and Radar operator "Roger" of VAW-117 Wallbangers.



Just getting through this one. Didn't know about the E2. Aviation Tech Kevin Day said his job was to remove the hard drives and stow them. At the 17:15 mark he said he was in his shop and his commanding officer came in with two 'uniformed Air Force guys.' I don't disbelieve him but don't you think it is a bit strange that two Air Force officers happened to be aboard a Navy vessel when all this happened?

The incidents on both coasts happened during training exercises and in Fravor's interview he made a point of saying that the aircraft were deliberately unarmed to avoid accidents. Just for the sake of speculation, if that really was the case this sounds like a real world test of a highly advanced sensor system and maybe they were there to observe.
 
So US has had secret tech that according to SCU report calculations does 104,895 mph and 12,250 g-forces without any sonic booms or friction detected from 2004 or earlier?

And they still spend money on normal plains and drones in 2019?
 
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So US has had secret tech that according to SCU report calculations does 104,895 mph and 12,250 g-forces without any sonic booms or friction detected from 2004 or earlier?

And they still spend money on normal plains and drones in 2019?

Planes*

If this thing is ours, it makes helicopters, submarines, drones and jets all obsolete. Cause apparently it moves through water too with ease. And do you people think this runs on fossil fuels or something more advanced? Cause it apparently didnt have any exhaust plumes.
 
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IF they have this revolutionary tech and energy that powers all this, they better bring it out to the people. Its a huge crime to keep it from us, especially now that we have a climate change in progress and are in desperate need of change, cause the clock is ticking.

That is if they even have anything like this at all...
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
What I do know is that the US has been looking into exotic technologies for decades and has the capability to produce whatever it likes. If it developed a system that did not rely on conventional propulsion that would be a whopping strategic advantage it would retain for many years before it became public; we'd know about it when it was nearing retirement. If the cat was somehow let out of the bag or even hinted at through some intelligence means we are not aware of and this secret was under some threat of exposure then a good UFO story would serve as a nice distraction. To paraphrase the Cylons all of this has happened before [and will happen again]

Is that somehow less likely than craft made by an alien civilization bobbing around to no apparent purpose? Why wouldn't they also weave and bob around the fully armed and alert carriers that were not in training exercises?

Agreed, it seems weird. Just looking at alternatives not trying to debunk or dismiss.
 
US has secret tech and craft no doubt, im pretty confident its been mixed into some UFO sightings too, but it isnt usually centuries ahead of the current known tech, like this sounds it is. It just sounds too strange.
 
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I find the Nimitz case quite strange and see 4 possible explanations.

1. Its some sort of secret US tech test, like weve gone through.

2. Its some sort of psy op, witnesses have been coersed and are lying. Can be linked to explanation 1 too, perhaps.

3. The CSICOP explanation, the witnesses are all mistaken, radar data is all faulty etc. the usual thing.

4. Its an extraterrestrial craft of somekind.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I find the Nimitz case quite strange and see 4 possible explanations.

1. Its some sort of secret US tech test, like weve gone through.

2. Its some sort of psy op, witnesses have been coersed and are lying. Can be linked to explanation 1 too, perhaps.

3. The CSICOP explanation, the witnesses are all mistaken, radar data is all faulty etc. the usual thing.

4. Its an extraterrestrial craft of somekind.

My money is on #1 but my hopes are on #4.
 
What I do know is that the US has been looking into exotic technologies for decades and has the capability to produce whatever it likes.
Whoa - hold it right there.

While I find your faith in military research science (with a virtually unlimited budget) heart-warming, I think you're carrying the notion to an unsupportable extreme that encroaches on Corey Goode territory here. There are all kinds of things that our military would like to have, which remain far beyond terrestrial technological capabilities. Things like human teleportation, traversable wormholes, time machines, and warp drive.

The Tic-Tac exhibits the precise performance characteristics that our theoretical models predict for warp drive aka gravitational field propulsion. But this is true of AAV reports going back at least 70 years. And in that time, all of the eggheads in all of universities around the world have failed utterly to posit even a glimmer of how this kind of technology can be achieved in physical applications. In fact we plebes out here in the public sector have yet to produce even the most modestly detectable gravitational field under laboratory conditions. A few years ago a physicist published a paper about how we might be able to generate a very modestly detectable (via laser interferometry) gravitational field, but its cost would be on the order of the Large Hadron Collider, and it isn't expected to illuminate any new physics, so it hasn't been funded and probably won't be.

I think it's very safe to say that the UFOs/AAVs reported in the 40s and 50s weren't military research projects - we didn't even have a formal theoretical model for gravitational field propulsion back then; but those craft were exhibiting those flight capabilities back then. So we're being visited by nonterrestrial technology, and have been for at least several decades. Given that, it seems far more likely that the Tic-Tac craft come from elsewhere, rather some project here at home. I would love to think that we could build something like that - it would mean that A.) we've completely mastered gravitational technology somewhere in a black budget project and B.) we now have the technological capability for manned missions to other star systems, and probably C.) the solution to the energy crisis and global warming as Spaceman spiff mentioned.

If it developed a system that did not rely on conventional propulsion that would be a whopping strategic advantage it would retain for many years before it became public; we'd know about it when it was nearing retirement.
I just can't believe that our military developed an entirely new and radically powerful form of technology at least 70 years ago, and yet we haven't seen the first hint of it yet in the public sector. Even if we blithely disregard the countless reports going back to the late 40s and beyond, and just try to explain the Tic-Tac incidents as secret research projects, it strains credulity to imagine the military making all of the Nobel Prize-level advancements that would be required, and building an entirely secret massive technological infrastructure to produce a Tic-Tac, and keep all of that totally under wraps for the many decades required to build up to a device with these capabilities.

At some point, the extraterrestrial hypothesis is simply more likely than the Secret Space Program hypothesis, and I think the Tic-Tac is well past that point. Though like I said, I wish that I could believe that humans built that thing. But I just can't: that thing makes our most advanced jet interceptors look like paper airplanes by comparison.

Is that somehow less likely than craft made by an alien civilization bobbing around to no apparent purpose?
Yes, it is less likely that the military has been engineering UFOs since at least the 1940s that can radically outperform today's most advanced jets, and easily traverse the stars (with the gravitational field propulsion technology exhibited by these craft, one could easily hop the expanse to other stars - it's the perfect solution for rapid manned interstellar spaceflight). So if you can believe that we have this kind of tech, then Corey Goode's story is completely plausible. I just can't make that kind of leap based on nothing more than blind faith that the military could advance human tech by several centuries or even millennia or more, and somehow keep every bit of it completely secret for 70+ years. If they were that good, why not keep the semiconductor revolution a secret? Imagine the advantage they'd have if they were the only ones with computers while the rest of us were running out to buy the latest vacuum tubes.

And any arguments about "purpose" are counterfactual and therefore worthless. We have no idea what purpose is behind the operations of these craft. But given that the technology represents a supreme triumph of logic and method, I think it's safe to safe that their purpose is very logical as well, whatever it may be. Aimlessness seems highly unlikely.

Why wouldn't they also weave and bob around the fully armed and alert carriers that were not in training exercises?
Apparently they've been encountered all over the globe amid a variety of circumstances. Here’s the transcript of the relevant excerpt from Keith Basterfield’s notes:

Dr. Davis: “…these tic tacs have been seen off the coast of Virginia interacting with F/A 18 fighters operating at the Naval Air Station there, and they have been encountered in the Middle East and parts of Asia where the US military aviators continue to encounter them. The tic tac wasn’t a one off phenomenon with the Nimitz. Its ongoing. We have Air Force pilots that have come to the Navy investigators of the tic tac encounter with the Nimitz, who have come forward and talked about their encounters, close encounters with such craft, on military operations of flights and that just didn’t report them up the chain of command because to do so would possibly require a psychological evaluation…”
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I think it's also disingenuous to describe their activity this way: "weave and bob." That's not an accurate description at all. They were seen dropping down from above 80K ft to 28K ft at some absurd hypersonic velocity, then moving in formation at 100 knots on a linear southerly course, again and again, for several days before the ADEX began. They only exhibited dramatic (and highly effective) evasive maneuvers when we interfered with their mission. Then they went right back to what they were doing - making a bee-line south. I wish we know where they ended up and what they did when they got there - whatever it was must've been important to send at least 10-20 squadrons of 5-10 craft (a total of 100+ targets were seen on radar doing the same thing over the course of that week). Who knows, maybe they're building an underwater base.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Whoa - hold it right there.

While I find your faith in military research science (with a virtually unlimited budget) heart-warming, I think you're carrying the notion to an unsupportable extreme that encroaches on Corey Goode territory here. There are all kinds of things that our military would like to have, which remain far beyond terrestrial technological capabilities. Things like human teleportation, traversable wormholes, time machines, and warp drive.

The Tic-Tac exhibits the precise performance characteristics that our theoretical models predict for warp drive aka gravitational field propulsion. But this is true of AAV reports going back at least 70 years. And in that time, all of the eggheads in all of universities around the world have failed utterly to posit even a glimmer of how this kind of technology can be achieved in physical applications. In fact we plebes out here in the public sector have yet to produce even the most modestly detectable gravitational field under laboratory conditions. A few years ago a physicist published a paper about how we might be able to generate a very modestly detectable (via laser interferometry) gravitational field, but its cost would be on the order of the Large Hadron Collider, and it isn't expected to illuminate any new physics, so it hasn't been funded and probably won't be.

I think it's very safe to say that the UFOs/AAVs reported in the 40s and 50s weren't military research projects - we didn't even have a formal theoretical model for gravitational field propulsion back then; but those craft were exhibiting those flight capabilities back then. So we're being visited by nonterrestrial technology, and have been for at least several decades. Given that, it seems far more likely that the Tic-Tac craft come from elsewhere, rather some project here at home. I would love to think that we could build something like that - it would mean that A.) we've completely mastered gravitational technology somewhere in a black budget project and B.) we now have the technological capability for manned missions to other star systems, and probably C.) the solution to the energy crisis and global warming as Spaceman spiff mentioned.


I just can't believe that our military developed an entirely new and radically powerful form of technology at least 70 years ago, and yet we haven't seen the first hint of it yet in the public sector. Even if we blithely disregard the countless reports going back to the late 40s and beyond, and just try to explain the Tic-Tac incidents as secret research projects, it strains credulity to imagine the military making all of the Nobel Prize-level advancements that would be required, and building an entirely secret massive technological infrastructure to produce a Tic-Tac, and keep all of that totally under wraps for the many decades required to build up to a device with these capabilities.

At some point, the extraterrestrial hypothesis is simply more likely than the Secret Space Program hypothesis, and I think the Tic-Tac is well past that point. Though like I said, I wish that I could believe that humans built that thing. But I just can't: that thing makes our most advanced jet interceptors look like paper airplanes by comparison.


Yes, it is less likely that the military has been engineering UFOs since at least the 1940s that can radically outperform today's most advanced jets, and easily traverse the stars (with the gravitational field propulsion technology exhibited by these craft, one could easily hop the expanse to other stars - it's the perfect solution for rapid manned interstellar spaceflight). So if you can believe that we have this kind of tech, then Corey Goode's story is completely plausible. I just can't make that kind of leap based on nothing more than blind faith that the military could advance human tech by several centuries or even millennia or more, and somehow keep every bit of it completely secret for 70+ years. If they were that good, why not keep the semiconductor revolution a secret? Imagine the advantage they'd have if they were the only ones with computers while the rest of us were running out to buy the latest vacuum tubes.

And any arguments about "purpose" are counterfactual and therefore worthless. We have no idea what purpose is behind the operations of these craft. But given that the technology represents a supreme triumph of logic and method, I think it's safe to safe that their purpose is very logical as well, whatever it may be. Aimlessness seems highly unlikely.


Apparently they've been encountered all over the globe amid a variety of circumstances. Here’s the transcript of the relevant excerpt from Keith Basterfield’s notes:

Dr. Davis: “…these tic tacs have been seen off the coast of Virginia interacting with F/A 18 fighters operating at the Naval Air Station there, and they have been encountered in the Middle East and parts of Asia where the US military aviators continue to encounter them. The tic tac wasn’t a one off phenomenon with the Nimitz. Its ongoing. We have Air Force pilots that have come to the Navy investigators of the tic tac encounter with the Nimitz, who have come forward and talked about their encounters, close encounters with such craft, on military operations of flights and that just didn’t report them up the chain of command because to do so would possibly require a psychological evaluation…”
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I think it's also disingenuous to describe their activity this way: "weave and bob." That's not an accurate description at all. They were seen dropping down from above 80K ft to 28K ft at some absurd hypersonic velocity, then moving in formation at 100 knots on a linear southerly course, again and again, for several days before the ADEX began. They only exhibited dramatic (and highly effective) evasive maneuvers when we interfered with their mission. Then they went right back to what they were doing - making a bee-line south. I wish we know where they ended up and what they did when they got there - whatever it was must've been important to send at least 10-20 squadrons of 5-10 craft (a total of 100+ targets were seen on radar doing the same thing over the course of that week). Who knows, maybe they're building an underwater base.

You and I will simply disagree about this and another couple of thousand words will not change either of our opinions.

I listened to the interview Erica Lukes had with Dr.Davis and in it I heard something that is probably where our opinions diverge. He referred to a number of older cases like Roswell, Betty & Barney Hill and Cash-Landrum as accepted facts and proof of alien visitation. They’re not. I will say that with Cash-Landrum obviously something happened but it sounds very much like an experiment gone wrong. Davis also mentioned how a small clique of highly placed military officers in the Reagan era considered UFOs to be some sort of demonic presence. Those men were also educated professionals in positions of authority which just goes to show that anyone can succumb to True Belief despite whatever terms they wish to couch it in.

As I’ve said before I honestly believe that we have been and still are visited occasionally by something from Elsewehere. Anything that can happen …. can happen. I look back at the last 70 years of reports I see a hell of a lot of human nature at work. I also see that the descriptions of what has been encountered has changed along with our society and expectations of what advanced alien technology should look like. Capt.Ruppelt spent more time personally investigating those early cases than most and he concluded it was ‘modern mythology.’ For the very few actual visitations there have been untold numbers of complete total bullshit and ufology has been a breeding ground for opportunists, kooks, you name it.

The US military has been a literal wellspring of highly advanced R&D yet even suggesting that they might be responsible for those tic-tacs is somehow a ridiculous idea and unsupportable. Aliens building underwater bases though, well that’s different.

My personal experiences with UFO reports specifically, and with the unwashed masses of humanity in general, have led me to my opinions. I’m still hoping for the same thing you are – that we can finally get past the nonsense and find out what’s really been going on. I hope its ET but look back at all the nonsense and have doubts that we will get past the infighting enough to come to grips with that. Your experiences led you to develop your theories about gravitational drive and expectation that one day it will be proved to be accurate. Consider that to a carpenter every problem is a nail.

And they still spend money on normal plains and drones in 2019?

Yup. Big business there. If they had something tic-tac-ish likely it would be produced at great expense in small numbers for a specific purpose.
 
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Why is the lower section left blank in that form?

Also note that "Not for publication. Research and analysis ONLY..."

Yet they were published.
 
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John Greenewald is not a popular guy among some here or on the twitter, but he gives his piece on the document.

How The DD Form 1910 Does NOT Prove A Public Pentagon Release; And How It May Harm The Credibility of Mr. Luis Elizondo and TTSA - The Black Vault Case Files

Also a comment from UFO reddit, mostly for his critics:

"Mr. Elizondo falsely/erroneously misled DOPSR on the form. If you find his misleading/erroneous/false/inaccurate intentions with that acceptable, and you feel now he is preaching gospel to you and me without erroneous information attached, all for the sake of getting these videos out? That's a horrible way to look at this, and what I refer to as the I WANT TO BELIEVE SYNDROME. He misled the agency on how the videos would be used. In addition, he either misled about the subject, or he didn't, and he knows after thorough analysis, these are highly advanced UAVs aka drones. Either way, it's problematic.

You can not sacrifice the greater picture here, all because you have a few FLIR videos. The field, the subject and the truth deserves so much more. If some of you are happy with that? Cool! Its not me to tell you how to think. It's just a shame you aren't looking at the entire point of this article, and this debate: the truth and the honest representation of it is what matters most."
- Blackvault
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
John Greenewald is not a popular guy among some here or on the twitter, but he gives his piece on the document.

It would appear you are correct, his tactics of shouting down and blocking anyone on twitter that questions his viewpoint is very immature, but that's just my opinion...As you may know, there's much back and forth on twitter lately in regards to TTSA, JG and Dark Journalist are certainly stirring the pot a bit their own...I do not grasp the motive behind bashing TTSA so fiercely so early on, wait and see what transpires before calling foul, but that's just me...

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Standingstones

Celestial
World governments have been retrieving crashed ufos for decades now. It would only seem logical that these devices have been back engineered to some degree.

If that is the case, that alien technology would have been used on materials of war. It's only our human nature at play.
 
I bring John's posts here cause i think we need to hear all voices, especially on this matter. If theres problems and questions pop up, they should be discussed. If we only hear here what we want to hear, were really no better than the extremes of the spectrum, namely the true believers and the pseudo-skeptics. Prevents this place from becoming an echo chamber.
 
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