The P C Madness thread.

Discussion in 'Present & Current Events' started by 1963, Jun 27, 2020.

  1. pigfarmer

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    Go back and look at some of the propaganda we peddled in WW2 and there are things that would have people recoiling in horror. Some time ago I heard bill Cosby had a problem the Our Gang and The Little Rascals and that he bought up rights so he can toss them down a well or something. No idea if any of that is true. products of the era in which they were made.

    I saw an interview with Eboni Williams and one day she finally noticed a Confederate statue on some municipal building that she either worked in or passed frequently and it hit her suddenly - she said she asked why she had to look at such a thing. Public entertainment vs public building. Hmmmm.

    Fair question, I get it. But @pepe nailed it - getting Woke and Righteous in your jammies by clicking a mouse would not impress civil rights leaders that had the fire hoses turned on them.

    I would think it would be better to put them aside - whatever it might be - and put it into context. Refine history not rewrite it.
     
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  2. Standingstones

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    Many Americans are ignorant of their country’s history. Back in the Civil War years many people objected to slavery. That didn’t mean that they agreed with giving Blacks voting rights. People at that time continued to think of Blacks as second class citizens. Is just a sad but true fact.
     
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  3. pepe

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    Same deal for women with voting back in the day.

    Bloody honkeys must have been crackers...lol..ah it makes me wonder if some of the slaves actually had a better life when peering in on an individual level but when you pan it right out it's a collective ugly.
     
  4. pigfarmer

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    Slavery is unfortunately a normal part of the human condition. Always has been, still is.
     
  5. pepe

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    Cuckoos, bees wasps and crickets are still at it, getting others to do their work with little to no reward so we aren't the only ones.
     
  6. pepe

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    I can see every ill trait we carry somewhere in the kingdom. Murder is big out there, I've seen duck rape and the fall out afterwards which nearly ended in murder, I had to intervene. The aggrieved one had the fight in him and tried to drown the rapist which I found funny until I realised his intentions.

    Trying to find an example of political correctness in the wildlife, low and behold there is something but would you belive it we are now even discussing whether the term pet or wildlife is politically correct.

    Animal companion or companion animal and free living animal.

    Incredulous.
     
  7. nivek

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    Thomas Sowell - Facts about slavery they don't teach you in school

     
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  8. Jim_from_the_South

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    It's tough being a white man in a black world.
     
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  9. Area201

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    Anyone here as 'woke' as this guy?

     
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  10. JahaRa

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    Where do you live, Nigeria?
     
  11. Jim_from_the_South

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    I'm an American. And as such I recognize "satire". The world seems to be trying
    to convince us that it is some type of "sin" to be white, which is actually the
    most racist concept that I have heard of. Racism, by definition, paints differences
    in glowing colors. Pointing out ones blackness is just as bad as pointing out ones whiteness.
    They just don't seem to understand that.
    I am not a racist. I treat people the way they treat me, and I really don't care about their
    color or religious persuasion or culture. I get along with many different people - and I have
    lived in Japan, Belize, Costa Rica, Australia, Mexico, etc., so I have had a chance to find
    the good in all of them.
    But this new swing against whites is just as racist as America pre-1965.
     
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  12. pigfarmer

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    New York and Denver public libraries aren't removing Dr. Seuss books over racist imagery


    New York and Denver public libraries aren't removing Dr. Seuss books over racist imagery By Caitlin O'Kane March 4, 2021 / 11:06 AM / CBS News




    After it was announced this week that six Dr. Seuss books will stop being published because of racist and insensitive imagery, some public libraries across the United States, including those in New York and Denver, have said they will keep the children's books on their shelves.

    Dr. Seuss Enterprises, the business that protects and preserves the legacy of the author, announced the news on Tuesday, March 2 – the late author and illustrator's birthday. The company will stop publishing, "And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street," "If I Ran the Zoo," "McElligot's Pool," "On Beyond Zebra!," "Scrambled Eggs Super!," and "The Cat's Quizzer," Dr. Seuss Enterprises said in a statement to the Associated Press.

    The company said the decision was made last year following months of discussion.

    Freedom to Read principles. The association's guidance is that libraries should provide a wide range of views, including expressions that are "unorthodox, unpopular, or considered dangerous by the majority."

    In a statement to CBS News, a spokesperson for the Denver Public Library (DPL) said it follows the ALA Freedom to Read principles, including that "it is contrary to the public interest for publishers or librarians to bar access to writings on the basis of the personal history or political affiliations of the author."

    Other principles followed by DPL include: "publishers, librarians, and booksellers do not need to endorse every idea or presentation they make available," and that it is the responsibility of librarians and publishers "to give full meaning to the freedom to read by providing books that enrich the quality and diversity of thought and expression."

    The Denver library, as of Thursday, did not plan to pull any Dr. Seuss books from its collection, the spokesperson said.

    "Libraries across the country are having conversations around how to balance our core values of intellectual freedom, with the harmful stereotypes depicted in many children's classics," the statement continued. "We will continue to purchase and promote diverse collections, while finding ways to help parents read and discuss books with their children with a critical eye as part of our efforts to challenge inequity."

    The New York Public Library (NYPL) will also keep its Dr. Seuss books on shelves, a spokesperson for the library system said in a statement to CBS News.

    "As public libraries do not censor material, the very few copies we have of the 6 Dr. Seuss titles in question will remain in circulation until they are no longer in acceptable condition," the spokesperson said. "At that point, we will not be able to replace them, as the books are out of print. So eventually they will no longer be available to borrow."

    "In the meantime, librarians, who care deeply about serving their communities and ensuring accurate and diverse representation in our collections — especially children's books — will certainly strongly consider this information when planning storytimes, displays, and recommendations," the spokesperson continued.

    Other public libraries are still assessing some books in Dr. Seuss' catalogue. A spokesperson for the DC Public Library said in a statement to CBS News its collection is "maintained through constant evaluation by library staff to ensure its usefulness and relevance to the community."

    The library removes materials when they are "no longer timely, accurate or relevant," the statement said.

    In regards to the Dr. Seuss books, the spokesperson said it "will conduct an internal review of the titles and consult with peer libraries and library associations to determine the appropriate course of action."

    CBS News has reached out to ALA and other public library systems across the country.

    While the six titles gained widespread attention this week, some other books by Dr. Seuss, whose real name is Theodor Seuss Geisel, have also been criticized in the past, including "The Cat in the Hat," which will still be published for now, the AP reports.

    In a study published in 2019 in the journal "Research on Diversity in Youth Literature," researchers Katie Ishizuka and Ramón Stephens wrote there is a "complete invisibility and absence of women and girls of color across Seuss' entire children's book collection."

    "In addition, some of Dr. Seuss' most iconic books feature animal or non-human characters that transmit Orientalist, anti-Black, and White supremacist messaging through allegories and symbolism. These books include The Cat in the Hat; The Cat in the Hat Comes Back; The Sneetches; and Horton Hears a Who!," the researchers continue.

    As for the six books that will no longer be published, many debated the decision to cease publication, with some on social media calling it a wrongful "cancellation."

    "So today my daughter is dressing up as #DrSeuss for 'Dress Up Like Your Favorite Book Character Day' for school. Now he's being cancelled for being racist? These people will stop at nothing. Can't wait to share her pic to trigger a few idiots," tweeted Kimberly Klacik, a former congressional Republican nominee in Maryland.

    "Now 6 Dr. Seuss books are cancelled too? When history looks back at this time it will be held up as an example of a depraved sociopolitical purge driven by hysteria and lunacy," tweeted Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL).

    Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) had a different opinion: "Do ordinary Americans care about the 6 relatively unknown Dr. Seuss books that the publisher is no longer going to publish? No," he tweeted. "That's why Dems are focused on stimulus checks."

    "And since one of the Dr. Seuss books made fun of my ethnicity, I'm glad the free market cancelled it," Lieu continued.

    Angus Johnston, a historian and professor, wrote on Twitter that the "Dr. Seuss situation is pretty banal."

    "Some of his early, relatively obscure stuff is indisputably racist. His later, culturally beloved work remains immensely popular and is in no danger of being 'cancelled.' The end," he wrote.
     
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  13. wwkirk

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    I would expect libraries to retain the books. At least if they take their role seriously. Is Mein Kampf banned from libraries? There is almost unlimited variety of books that some people will find offensive. And among these, some are intended to be so. Should they be banned?

    As for children's books, typically the parents approve what they are allowed to borrow.
     
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  14. Jim_from_the_South

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    We will be seeing book burnings very soon.
     
  15. pepe

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    I think we were all black to begin with and our distant ancestors had a more curious way about them, descending from the chimpanzee. So we became nomadic, encountered and overcame hurdles along the way, giving us the knowledge to see our way toward inventing nearly all that surrounds us.

    Those that remaind on the equator evolved still for the chase, hunt and kill ( fight ). Naturally more muscular with a wider air intake and a lower center of gravity this is evident with today's and yesterday's sporting greats in these three events. Stick a tool in the hand and the white man has the edge, again this is reflected in nearly all of today's and yesterday's greats. One exception is swimming which is poignant as the nomadic life made us taller and leaner, the desired design for speed in aquatic life.

    So my theory may be a strange one or not but there are only three types of human hair among us and with three great apes that fit as caucasoid chimp, negroid gorrilla and mongaloid the orangutan. Maybe I made it fit for my peace of mind but the peace is real and I trust it.

    All seeded you understand, by the hand of our designer and to ultimately become one before we have to leave here for more acceptable weather conditions.

    I'm going to put filters in my spliffs, see if I change my mind a bit.
     
  16. Sheltie

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    Americans more concerned with violent protests in US cities than Capitol riot, more certain pro-Trump rioters get convicted – poll

    I believe pressure is continuing to build against the PC insanity which has taken over in the US. This is a poll from Harvard (need I say more?) that may demonstrate how people really feel about the riots and protests.

    Joe Biden took office 43 days ago and in that time he has held 0 press conferences. Andrew Cuomo was being hailed as a hero less than a year ago and now, all of a sudden, he is being regarded like a deposed South American dictator.

    The public is going to get fed up soon and it's going to be ugly. It's a story that can't be beat when you say that it happened on Mulberry Street!
     
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  17. pigfarmer

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    Who the hell knows who will do what anymore. I was relieved to see libraries behaving like libraries. Can't say I'm all that dialed into them, I only recently learned that the Dewey Decimal system went away.
     
  18. Standingstones

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    When we were growing up did anyone notice that some Seuss characters were “ethnically incorrect?” No? Neither did I. This is the first time I ever heard about this. People are dying off like flies from Covid and we are worried about some cartoon fish that look like a Chinese person!

    At 67 years old I am glad I have most of my time in on this planet. The crap is piling up higher each day.
     
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  20. Jim_from_the_South

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