The Pentagon FINALLY admits it investigates UFOs

Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, May 22, 2019.

  1. Spaceman spiff

    Spaceman spiff Noble

    Media is toothless, they completely roll over before these people. They seem to be mostly sycophants, who for decades just followed what they were told to and that hasn't changed. Only the skeptics are now on the warpath. Especially the professional skeptics, who are trying to find any possible angle to bring this down, since they don't like the implications where this is leading now.

    These gatekeepers helped create the web of obsfuscation, now if they truly wish to untangle this mess, to get whatever message they now have beneficial to them across, they have a lot of work to do. It's going to take years. You reap what you sow.

    What is hilarious to me, that seemingly the reason for this "transparency" is for them to make us to trust our governments more now. Uh huh. At least that what was apparently told to Delonge. Yet what is being offered is table scraps, so we will be good dogs, who will stay and be quiet and obedient.

    Were going to get a limited hangout, their version of the truth. Even in the best scenario. All the incovenient things will not be told, ever. They will still want to control the narrative, even in the potential new landscape.
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  2. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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  4. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

    Classified ‘brief’: Secret UFO report only 17 pages long

    The real truth on UFOs is out there — and it’s only 17 pages long.

    The nine-page preliminary US government report released last month did little to satisfy those seeking answers on whether alien life exists — and the classified version isn’t likely to provide much more depth with just eight additional pages, according to a report by The Black Vault, a website operated by author and podcaster John Greenewald.

    Days after the June 25 report was released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, US officials declined to comment on the length of the classified version, but told Greenewald it was “substantively consistent” and had the same conclusions as the public document.

    Greenewald tweeted Thursday that he had confirmed the length of the classified report, which led to much speculation online, with estimates ranging anywhere from 70 to 400 additional pages.


    “The classified version of the report is 17 pages in length,” Sally Nicholson, from ODNI’s office that handles Freedom of Information Act requests, wrote to Greenewald in an email Thursday.

    Greenewald, who specializes in obtaining declassified documents through FOIA requests, bills his site as the largest private online collection of declassified government reports.

    Greenewald’s inquiry into the classified report, filed the morning after ODNI delivered it to Congress, initiated a “mandatory declassification review (MDR),” according to The Black Vault.

    That’s a process in which an individual or entity can request any federal agency to review classified information for declassification, regardless of age or origin, with “certain limitations,” according to the Information Security Oversight Office.

    The Black Vault also requested attachments to the classified report, “wherein members of Congress received additional videos or photographs outside of the seventeen pages and whether those are confirmed to exist,” Greenewald wrote.

    “It must be stated that this answer may only come after the case is processed, closed, and a final determination is issued, since the current state of the report and/or attachments should they exist, are classified,” the report continued.

    Greenewald said many MDR cases are ultimately denied, but have led to the unearthing of a CIA document that “supposedly justified the Iraq invasion” and a National Security Agency record revealing the list of classified documents aboard the USS Pueblo before its capture by North Korea in 1968.

    Luis “Lue” Elizondo, the former head of the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, told The Post last month that the ODNI report was merely the “first” of many to come.

    Elizondo, who claims the Department of Defense has tried to discredit him, told The Post on Friday that the classified report — funded as part of a $2.3 trillion coronavirus relief and spending package enacted by President Donald Trump in December — is considerably longer.

    “Understandably, there is some confusion, but rest assured the complete report, including end notes, is over 70 pages,” Elizondo said in a statement to The Post. “I do not care to speculate about why there is confusion, nor involve myself in the debate, but the fact remains that the full and complete report is significantly longer than what is currently being stated for the record.”

    Elizondo did not clarify how he knew the length of the classified report. He said last month’s public release — which didn’t find “firm conclusions” on the 144 UFO sightings reported by government sources since 2004 — left more questions than answers. Just one reported UFO was identified as a large, deflating balloon.

    “This conversation is only beginning,” Elizondo told The Post late last month.

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  5. wwkirk

    wwkirk Celestial

    Oh man! So it really is just a whitewash! :mad8:
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  6. August

    August Metanoia

    Take off the front and back pages and its really only 15 pages long.
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  8. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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  9. pigfarmer

    pigfarmer tall, thin, irritable

    Since December 2017 we've been waiting and this is what we got. Nice.
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  10. Rick Hunter

    Rick Hunter Celestial

    Progress forward in Ufology is measured in microns, especially where DoD is concerned. At least we are moving forward, mostly.
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  11. Spaceman spiff

    Spaceman spiff Noble

    At a snail's pace. But it is to be expected. You should see the insane and slow bureaucracy in my country alone.
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  12. nivek

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    An analysis of that list of AAWSAP/AATIP Defense Intelligence Reference Documents
    By Keith Basterfield

    Some context

    As part of the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program, sub-contractors Dr Hal Puthoff, and Dr Eric W Davis asked a number of individuals to submit papers on projected emerging technologies. 38 such papers were commissioned. Full digital copies of three of these Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs) have emerged on the Internet. Before reading further, readers may wish to refresh their memories of the story so far by reading my previous blog post about these DIRDs.


    Why bother with these DIRDs?

    Why I am bothering with all this DIRD material, when the three which have emerged so far, don't even mention the term UFO or UAP? Well here is my reasoning. According to the former AATIP manager Luis Elizondo, the program came to some conclusions as to the mechanisms by which the phenomenon operates. The data that he and his team had to go on to arrive at these conclusions, were videos; visual observations; instrumented observations; and the opinions of the authors of the DIRDs. Therefore, I feel that by studying all this material, including the DIRDs, we may just get some hints as to what Elizondo can't directly tell us.

    The list revealed

    In a KLAS-TV news report on 25 July 2018, journalists George Knapp and Matt Adams published a copy of the list of the 38 DIRDs (37 actually, as one was redacted.) Their source of the list was not revealed. Former AATIP manager Luis Elizondo confirmed that the list was genuine.

    Here is the contents of this list:

    1. Inertial Electrostatic Confinement Fusion, Dr. George Miley, Univ, Of Illinois

    2. Advanced Nuclear Propulsion for Manned Deep Space Missions, Dr. F. Winterberg, Univ, of Nevada -Reno

    3. Pulsed High-Power Microwave Technology, Dr. James Wells, Northrop Grumman

    4. Space Access, Dr. P. Czysz, HyperTech.

    5. Advanced Space Propulsion Based on Vaccuum (Spacetime Mertrics) Engineering, Dr. Hal Puthoff, EarthTech International

    6. Biosensors and BioMEMS, Dr. Bruce Towe, Univ of Arizona

    7. Invisibility Cloaking, Dr. Ulf Leonhardt. Univ of St Andrews

    8. Wormholes in SpaceTime, Dr. Eric Davis, EarthTech International

    9. Gravity Wave Communication, Dr. Robert Baker, GravWave

    10. Superconductors in Gravity Research, Dr. George Hathaway, Hathaway Consulting

    11. Antigravity Studies, Dr. Eric Davis, EarthTech International

    12. Field effects on Biological Tissues, Dr. Kit Green, Wayne State Univ

    13. Positron Aerospace Propulsion, Dr. Gerald Smith, Positronics Research

    14. Vacuum Energy Applications, Dr. Eric Davis, EarthTech International

    15. Improved Statistical Approach to Drake Equation, Dr. Claudio Maccone, International Academy of Astronautics

    16. Maverick vs Corporate Research Cultures, Dr. George Hathaway, Hathaway Consulting

    17. Biomaterials,Dr. Bruce Towe, Univ of Arizona

    18. Metamaterials, Dr. G. Shvets, Univ of Texas - Austin

    19. Warp Drives, Dark Energy, and Dimensions, Dr. R. Obousy, Obousy Consultants

    20. Brain-Machine Interfaces, Dr. R. Genik, Wayne State Univ,

    21. Material for Advanced Aerospace Platforms, Dr. J. Williams, Ohio State Univ,

    22. Metallic Glasses, Dr. T. Hufnagel, John Hopkins Univ.

    23. Programmable Matter, Dr. W. McCarthy, Programmable Matter Corporation

    24. Metallic Spintronics, Dr. M. Tsoi, Univ of Texas - Austin

    25. Laser Weapons, J. Albertine, M..S., Directed Technologies.

    26. Quantum Entanglement Communication, Dr. J. Cramer, Univ of Washington

    27. Aneutronic Fusion Propulsion, Dr. V. Teofilo, Lockheed Martin

    28. Cockpits in the Era of Breakthrough Flight, Dr. G. Millis, Tau Zero

    29. Cognitive Limits on Simultaneous Control of Multiple Unmanned Spacecraft, Dr. R. Genik, Wayne State Univ

    30. Detection and High Resolution Tracking of Vehicles at Hypersonic Velocities, Dr. W. Culbreth, Univ of Nevada - Las Vegas

    31. Aneutronic Fusion, Dr. W. Culbreth, Univ of Nevada - Las Vegas.

    32. Laser Lightcraft Nanosatellites, Dr. E. Davis, EarthTech

    33. MHD Air Breathing Propulsion and Power for Aerospace Applications, Dr. S. Macheret, Lockheed Martin.

    34. Quantum Computing and Utilizing Organic Molecules in Automation Technology, Dr. R. Genik, Wayne State Univ

    35. Quantum Tomography of Negative Energy States in the Vacuum, Dr. Eric Davis, EarthTech

    36. Ultracapacitors as Energy and Power Storage Devices, Dr. J. Golightly, Lockheed Martin.

    37. Negative Mass Propulsion, Dr. F. Winterberg, Univ of Nevada - Reno

    38. Redacted.

    Open source publication

    During a 28 July 2018, interview on the 'UFO Classified' radio show, hosted by Erica Lukes Dr Eric Davis, when talking about the DIRDs said that 'We allowed open domain publishing on the topics of these reports.'

    It is already known that an open source publication of Dr Puthoff's 'Advanced Space Propulsion Based on Vacuum (Spacetime Metrics) Engineering' DIRD occurred in the March 2010 issue of the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society.

    Are there any other examples where DIRD authors published the contents of their DIRDs in open sources? So far, my research has located three such examples.

    Example one.

    DIRD. Advanced Nuclear Propulsion for Manned Deep Space Missions, Dr. F. Winterberg, Univ, of Nevada -Reno

    Open source. 'Advanced Deuterium Fusion Propulsion for Manned Deep Space Missions,' Dr. F. Winterberg. Submitted 3 June 2009. Very interestingly, on page 43 of this 44 page PDF appear the words 'In writing this report I acknowledge the encouragement of the following individuals listed in alphabetical order: Robert Bigelow, Stephen Fuelling; Kelvin Long, Harold Puthoff and Harry Ruppe.' Bigelow and Puthoff need no introduction. Kelvin Long is a physicist and aerospace engineer and is associated with studies of future interstellar flight. I understand Harry Ruppe was a German space travel expert. This all fits very well with this being an open source version of DIRD number 2 on the list. (Thank you to an anonymous comment on my blog which pointed me in this direction.)

    Example two.

    DIRD. 'Cockpits in the Era of Breakthrough Flight.' Dr. G. Millis, Tau Zero.

    Open source. 'Cockpit considerations for Inertial-Affect and FTL Propulsion.' M G Millis. Published 2013, in the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society. The abstract for the paper reads:

    'Breakthroughs in propulsion physics (control over gravitational or inertial forces, propellant-less space drives, and faster-than light travel) may not appear imminent, but enough progress has been made to allow thoughtful speculation about their nature and implications. The implications to cockpit design includes added degrees of motion, combination of operational regimes (near ground, orbit and beyond), greater span of speed (from zero-speed hover to beyond light speed), the need for new motion displays and navigational tracking methods, and the loss of familiar motion cues (pilot's inertia and visual clues) due to the separation of external and internal environments. The primary reference used to predict these possibilities is the 2009 book, Frontiers of Propulsion Science. These implications are detailed in terms of design requirements.'(Again, my thanks to an anonymous blog post comment which steered me to this paper.)

    Example three.

    DIRD. 'Gravity Wave Communication.' Dr. Robert Baker, GravWave.

    Open source. Communication between Dr Baker and myself, led to Dr Baker advising that he had published three papers in 2010 which referred to high frequency gravitational waves. He forwarded me links to all three papers. The one which most closely matches the DIRD was one titled 'Utilization of High-Frequency Gravitational Waves for Aerospace Systems and Technology.'The paper was presented at The Seventh Annual AIAA Southern California Aerospace Systems and Technology (ASAT) Conference on 1 May 2010.

    The abstract reads:

    'High-Frequency Gravitational Wave (HFGW) technology has been reported in well over one hundred peer-reviewed scientific journal article over the past five decades. For several years the Peoples Republic of China has funded HFGW research programs involving dozens of their scientists and well known Russian scientists have been involved with HFGW research for over four decades. Theoretical aerospace, military and civilian applications are communications, surveillance, remote initiation of nuclear events and propulsion, including "moving" space objects and missiles in flight and frustrating anti-missile and anti-satellite systems. This paper presents the historical and theoretical background for the utilization of High-Frequency Gravitational Waves (HFGWs) as an enabling technology for aerospace systems and presents analytical techniques and theoretical quantitative results for the generation, detection and application of HFGWs.'

    I am certain that a deeper study will reveal many more examples of open source publication of DIRDs and welcome information from anyone who conducts this additional research.

    Additional comments


    1. I found that the titles of a number of Dr Eric Davis' DIRDs as shown on the list were different from the titles that Davis himself provides on his EarthTech publications website. For example:

    DIRD 8 on the list, 'Wormholes in SpaceTime' becomes 'Traversable Wormholes, Stargate, and Negative Energy' on the EarthTech site. 2010. DIA document number DIA-08-1004-004.

    DIRD 11 on the list. 'Antigravity Studies' becomes 'Antigravity for Aerospace Applications.' 2010. DIA document number DIA-08-1003-018.

    DIRD14 on the list.'Vacuum Energy Applications' becomes 'Concepts for Extracting Energy from the Quantum Vaccuum.' 2010. DIA document number DIA-08-1004-007.

    In addition, DIRD number 19 on the list is shown as W'arp Drives, Dark Energy, and Dimensions,' Dr. R. Obousy, Obousy Consultants, whereas the EarthTech website shows a publication 'Warp Drive, Dark Energy, and the Manipulation of Extra Dimensions' 2010, by Obousy, R K and Davis E W. DIA number DIA-08-1004-001.

    These differences between list, and final publications, led me to wonder if the list wasn't a final version, but some sort of working draft along the way. It certainly isn't a list on DIA letterhead.

    An additional clue comes from my communication with Dr Robert Baker who told me that the use of the term 'Gravity Wave Communication' is incorrect. Those working in this field, he told me, refer to 'Gravitiational waves,' which leads me to again think that whoever compiled this list didn't know the correct terminology to use at that time that the list was compiled.

    Furthermore, communication with another of the DIRD authors, (DIRDs 6 & 17) Dr Bruce Towe, led him to advise that the citation as to where he works, which in the DIRDs is given as 'Univ of Arizona,' is incorrect as he works at Arizona State University (Phoenix.)

    I would be interested to see if anyone can tell us where the 'leaked'copy of the DIRD list, actually came from?

    2.We come now, to the subject of 'classified' DIRD titles. In his 28 January 2018 'Coast to Coast' interview with George Knapp, Dr Eric Davis first mentioned that two out of the 38 DIRD's were classified. This was repeated by Davis on the 28 July 2018, Erica Lukes radio show. On this latter show, he went on to say that he couldn't talk about the titles of the two classified DIRDs. Interestingly, he went on to note that on the released list of DIRDs, only one DIRD's details is redacted, whereas the other classified DIRD's details are not. 'That was a mistake,' he said.

    I note that neither the titles, nor the names of the authors on the released DIRD list, appear to be in any particular order. They are neither listed alphabetically by title, nor alphabetically by author. Details of DIRD 38 are redacted. Presumably this means that DIRD 38 has either a classified title or is totally classified in respect of all its details.

    Which of the remaining 37 DIRDs is also classified, cannot of course be known for certain. If there were only 38 in total and two were classified, then the details of one of the remaining 37 should also have been redacted, and they weren't.

    Who redacted the details of DIRD 38 on the list? We do not know. Presumably it has to have been someone whom knew it was classified in the first place. In that case, why didn't that individual redact the details of the second classified DIRD? We are placed in the situation that we all now know the details of the second classified DIRD (well, not really, we can all see its details but we still don't know which number DIRD it is.)

    3. I note that most of the DIRD authors reside in the USA, apart from Dr Ulf Leonhardt (Scotland); George Hathaway (Canada), and Claude Maconne (Italy.)

    4. The 2008 AAWSAP solicitation document at attachment one listed ten areas of interest to the program:

    1. Lift.
    2. Propulsion.
    3. Control.
    4.Power generation.
    5. Spatial/temporal translation.
    6. Materials.
    7. Configuration, structure.
    8. Signature reduction.
    9. Human interface.
    10. Human effects.

    Looking at the list of the 37 DIRDs, one can see that Drs Puthoff and Davis, in commissioning the DIRDs were covering all of the ten areas shown above.

    I welcome feedback from blog readers on the above analysis. There are probably areas of interest that I have missed. I particularly welcome details of other open source versions of the DIRDs.


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