The Pentagon FINALLY admits it investigates UFOs

Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, May 22, 2019.

  1. Skepticide123

    Skepticide123 Asymmetric Contact From Hyperdimensional Aliens.

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    Yeah, I've heard the suggestion on a particular forum that the US military made all of this up to get more money --and NASA too. The idea is really quite silly and easy to dismantle. In fact when I saw the last suggestion that it was all made up to get NASA more money, I realized that I was on the wrong forum to discuss UFOs. Then I went back and noticed I had been banned! Thank you! Thank you!! One thing you learn a LOT about is people and their societies and upbringings... Classist societies with wealth inequality I think help to form such opinions about events.. Also evident was a certain insular parochialism. Nice folks, god bless 'em...
    I'll stick with dogs. Wrong people to talk about UFOs with. I don't think much would convince skeptics, and I think most people will cling to their opinions about UFOs and there is little point in trying to convert skeptics at all. Waste of time. Best we get on with what we know is real and leave them to wonder. Other jewels I will always remember are:

    Disc-shaped UFOs and ovoid UFOS are all the result of Arnold's characterization of them as skipping like saucers when they moved!! UFOS are triangular --there aren't round UFOs!!

    Also a big fave: All good UFO pics must be fake --cuz UFOs don't exist!!! Wow.... Don't just beam me up Scotty --PHASERS!!! FULL SPREAD!!

    I haven't read Vallee, just about his theories. I don't think the objects are trying to create a mythology around themselves. That's just long-term algorithmic contact.
     
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  2. dr wu

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    Interesting post ...but it didn't really address the points concerning 'aliens' repeating the same actions over and over again all over the globe. If they have been here for as long as many think....what is their agenda regarding monitoring the same human activities repeatedly? If they are truly advanced wouldn't they have far more data than they need by now? Wouldn't they be a bit more discreet? So for the sake of interesting discussion what's your take on this seemingly absurd behavior?
     
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  3. nivek

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    Could you elaborate on this, what actions are they repeating over and over again?...

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  4. pigfarmer

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    Sound plan. I'm with you.
     
  5. pigfarmer

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    Why need to continue to abduct people? Why the constant peeking and popping up in odd places? You'd think if they are clever enough to get here they could keep us under observation without all that.

    Slender Man became reality when those young girls stabbed their friend. People see evil clowns partly just because we talk about it and probably partly because people go out and do weird s**t to cause the reports in the first place. We know that there's a specific list of ghost detection equipment and methods because ... how exactly?

    Any real occurrences are amplified in the court of public opinion sand sometime manufactured out of thin air. Hudson Valley Wave - I am pretty certain I know what it was and yet there are those who will steadfastly argue for a more esoteric explanation. Local bait shop wants to create a very clever Bigfoot fuss to get a little attention and now there are people who really believe there are Sasquatch around here. Yeeeeeeah. No. Not so much.

    On that last point, there's gold in them thar hills. Why do you think there's soooo much paranormal stuff on TV, in podcasts, etc etc. ? Same idea as the bait shop - the interest is there and could be monetized by the right people. Anybody want to ask Tom DeLonge or Stephen Greer to weigh in on this? If they're not in ask for Jamie Maussan.

    'They' might or might not be visiting and whatever 'they' are doing might really be the genesis of a lot of this. Personally, I think that very rarely we are visited. But if we want to know why it's so repetitive and pop culture oriented we only have to look in the mirror.
     
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  6. Skepticide123

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    It's all part of long-term algorithmic contact, designed to not cause a a tipping point. There is no "Prime Objective" being followed. The activity falls into two categories imo,

    1. Displays: The bread and butter of long-term contact. Designed to make an impression and cause a long-term cumulative effect, these tactics involve the classic road encounters, interacting with folks in remote locations, flying off the wing of civilian airliners for extended periods, hovering over airports, mass sightings, etc. and not sticking around for selfies. Also anything that doesn't fall under the category of:

    2. Demonstrations: These are demonstrations of extraordinary abilities and technological superiority aimed primarily at the world's military-industrial complexes and military assets, with a special focus on the development and deployment of our nuclear weapons. These involve a history of showing up at military testing sites --like White Sands, monitoring missile development --including missiles and ICBM sites, plutonium manufacturing sites, and all of the assets and sites designed to deploy or launch nuclear weapons. Demonstrations also involve flying circles around military jets, shooting test warheads out of the air, surrounding ships that would be used in a nuclear war, etc. etc.

    So, why and how??
    It's benevolent or we would have been toast a long time ago.
    Imagine if we happened upon a planet --perhaps only one, in all of our space exploration that had an abundance of life and one creature was damned and determined to destroy it, and take all of the other creatures with it. Assuming the Prime Directive hasn't been followed (it certainly hasn't), then it is clear what is going on. Just imagine a technology that like AI can see many moves ahead than ourselves. --an almost godlike ability to know what is going to happen in the future, and perhaps change the outcome, subtly, even of that future without our knowledge. That's advanced! What being advanced is.
    I think this may end up with the devices interacting more intensively with the militaries and might eventually lead to the phenomenon neutralizing the world's nuclear weapons if things got out of hand with our stupid nuclear suicide plan. I don;t think the devices are coming in from space or out of the ocean every time --they are cloaked in our atmosphere and / or hanging out in remote locations
    I'm extrapolating all of this from the old articles, and accounts and my own experiences, too.
     
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  7. Skepticide123

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    The tactics have changed over time. A long time ago they seemed to interact with people a lot more, but DIDN'T build monumental stone architecture. Then the Industrial Revolution and the "airship" days sees them flying directly over cities, smelters, gunpowder plants shining beams down, interacting with the population of Kansas City and shining beams onto the crowds of observing citizens..
    Then the wars.. There they are, watching.
    Then the nuke development. There they are, warning and watching.
    Now we are finally ready after careful preparation to destroy ourselves and the other creatures in a great calamity. What is happening now?? Oh yeah.....

    D'oh! I meant to type Prime Directive, up there.
     
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  8. nivek

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    This was the point of my earlier query to @dr wu ...I think questions and statements like these kind of looks like we are considering that they are all in cahoots together, all of the aliens...Perhaps they are not repeating things over and over again as the actions are similar from our standpoint but the ones performing those actions are always different...A different species buzzed a navy vessel one week and a different alien species does something similar a few weeks later...From our standpoint we see repeated actions but from theirs its a one-off and may not know another species did something similar...Does that make sense?...

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  9. dr wu

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    I'll repeat my post above which is very clear imho......
    "but regarding sightings...I read that France had 600 unknowns over the last 9 years since 2012...that comes out to about 66 near misses with ufos each year or 5-6 a month. Considering we must have similar figures and one assumes that other major countries like England, Germany, Russia, China, etc do as well....those aliens must be pretty darn busy and pulling a lot of overtime just to look at our planes and ships all over the world which one assumes they have already done for a long time since 'they' have allegedly been here for decades.
    Are the aliens that bored that they need to continue to buzz us all the time or are they simply bad scientists and data collectors? Does this not bother anyone as being irrational?
    So...what's wrong with this picture? And why is this never talked about on all the useless media programs by scientists and intelligent researchers?"
     
  10. dr wu

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    Hmmm....I can't say I buy into the 'aliens as altruistic wathchers' theme but apparently they aren't in any hurry since this 'behavior' has been going in in one form or another for a 'long time' now.
    We'll have to wait and see.....but I am not getting any younger. ;)
     
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    Please share.
     
  12. nivek

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    Not too clear imho, okay so 66 near misses, did they all occur the same way with the same type of aircraft of ours?...How many near misses does our public aircraft have per year on average with one another?...Is there a pattern to it?...Are all of these ufos from the same species performing the same maneuvers?...

    There's a lot of missing information, in my opinion, so for me I have a hard time clumping them all together as repeating their same actions over and over, could be a coincidental observational conclusion...

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    Of course there could be an agenda that we don't quite understand. Hell, maybe they would like a really hot irradiated planet and they're just waiting for the 'ding' that says we're done.

    Octopus are intelligent problem solvers but I couldn't imagine trying to talk with one about it's behavior and think I'd come away with any greater understanding. Better yet, explain our behavior to it.
     
  14. nivek

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    Because of characters like Lazar?...:Whistle:

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  15. dr wu

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    It's abundantly clear that if these ufos are 'aliens from outer or inner space' they have been doing the same things in observation of earth for a very long time by anyone's assessment . This is well documented in Dr Vallee's books and others who have followed the enigma since the 60's , and done a good deal of research even doing historical looks into ancient alleged sightings that could be interpreted today as ufo events.... long before all this recent hoopla.
    The obvious point is...it's all redundant repetitive behavior. If they are advanced aliens with tech and superior abilities and knowledge what then are they doing? I have heard the explanations of 'long term monitoring' and 'watching the little kids from a distance' themes many many times over the last 30 years or so....none of it holds water for me. Truly advanced beings would simply not need this long to make a decision and or eval before acting.
    People are free to 'believe' what they want but something doesn't add up imho when trying to explain all of these sightings over this long period of time. It is irrational imho.....but as always this is a highly speculative area so all of our opinions are just that...opinions.
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  16. dr wu

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  17. pigfarmer

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    I caught part of a Black Vault this morning and JG is carping about the report. That's how the man pays the bills so no surprise there. His complaint seems to be that various military agencies have already been collecting data for quite some time and 'we have insufficient data' isn't sitting well with him.

    I assume I am belaboring an obvious point, but if you went to Amazon and asked them how many size 12 men's black hiking boots they sold in Missouri in 2019 they could tell you in a jiffy. They would not have to access multiple types of storage across multiple agencies with multiple filing systems. A common database is something I've heard in ufology circles for years, I can remember CO on the Paracast lamenting old filing cabinets of APRO or something that he felt was a lost fortune. He has his own database, so does Stan Gordon. Ask either of them for a specific data set and see what they have to do to go get it. There was some talk in MUFON of attempting a project like that, but they're too busy shooting themselves in the foot. That maye have evolved into the rumors of Bigelow being after it. Vallee has said flat out give him specific resources and he'd do it, and somehow I can believe that. Or want to anyway.

    The benefit of a coordinated database is plain to me. If I can take this latest report at face value - and I may as well at this point - that's exactly what I heard. Good idea, better late than never. Standardize the reporting, create common data fields in an open database and let the bucket fill. They could then probably tell you how many triangle sightings there were reported by military aviators in Missouri in say, 2024. The intent of applying this to the civilian sector seems to be there but maybe implementing it is a puzzle, hence the need for a 'novel approach'. I don't doubt it can be done, it's just a question of when.

    Isn't this kind of what we've been waiting for? Public acceptance, a serious approach for a change? Maybe some actual intent to quantify this thing? It sounds like it but time will tell if they're serious or if this all just blows over. My money's on the latter. Happens to a lot of stuff these days.

    In the meantime, the idea of going back through decades of records and trying to plug them into this database is a bit mind numbing. You want experts in that? Call Ancestry.com. They've done a damned good job turning old dusty print records into a readable searchable indexed format.
     
  18. dr wu

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    Many have said over the years....'well they are aliens, how can we figure them out'?
    I disagree and think we will have much in common with any space faring species when we meet them. Hydrogen is hydrogen ...science is science and math is math...whatever one calls them, and in some form those things have to be used to construct instrumentation and craft to travel through space or wormholes or whatever. And most exobiologists think that some type of upright bipedal (tripod or even quadraped )lifeform is ideal for a tech civilization and space travel and 99.9% of people who claim to have seen an alien on earth describe bipeds btw (of course this is just what is claimed...). But the point seems to be that Octopi, slugs, and insects withpout opposable thumbs or fingers might have trouble building a tech world and flying a space ship...just saying. It's always possible different forms could learn how to do things if intelligent enough but you get my point . Regarding the aspects of the universe as it relates to 'science' I think there would be common ground.
    What concerns me more is the hive mentality aspect as in ants or bees....that would be a problem for us.
     
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  19. nivek

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    Or like the fictional Borg of Star Trek, that would be a huge problem for us...

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  20. Skepticide123

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    Exactly. These devices have been around for a very long time, as even the RAND report states. And they aren't in any hurry --perhaps they move through spacetime in a nonlinear manner and thus exist in a completely different kind of reality. It's easy to confuse the devices that are observing us with the aliens themselves. Personally, I don't believe the crafts are piloted by squishy aliens, generally, but I keep an open mind about it. As others have suggested, if there is a "Contiguous Universe" stuck to ours at certain points in time and space --at places like Skinwalker Ranch, etc., etc., AND, UFOs know how to enter our space through these portals and return to where they came from, then I suppose many things, including UFO occupants and even cryptids can waltz into the picture..
    Looking at the old accounts --and they are quite detailed, actually, I don't see the "grays" or really many other occupants in those early sightings (from the 19th century).. They seem just to be devices, like many later sightings, such as over the stadium in Florence. When they do have occupants or evidence of them, they sometimes just seem like projections.
     
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