The Physical Science of Ufology

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  1. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Unapologetic Rationalist & Grand Regent of Taraka

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    Well it looks like this is it, folks: word coming out of the SCU Conference is that TTSA has the scientific analyses to prove that some of the materials they've been studying are nonterrestrial in origin and exhibiting new phenomenology beyond the scope of present human engineering.

    They're going to publicize their findings in the upcoming History Channel series in May. Here are some of the comments that a friend just shared with me:

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    And here's some more that nivek posted here:

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    So we'll have an answer when they show us their results in May. Either they'll have what they say they have - in which case I'll be happy, or they won't - and their army of cynical detractors will be happy.

    Two more months of waiting...somebody should start a countdown clock =)
     
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  2. Spaceman spiff

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    Still intrested to see the results. I guess well see...

    Not holding my breath tough.
     
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  3. Spaceman spiff

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    Is this tv series the only avenue theyre gonna publish this through?

    Are we gonna see the tests and papers too? Peer reviewed?

    Because I dont think a History Channel tv show sounds that hot by itself, its not like theyre the National Geographic. They have shows like "Ancient Aliens" and we know how its reputation is in the wider academia.
     
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  4. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Here's what I think.

    I think that Puthoff et al. got hold of a pristine piece of exotic metamaterial in the course of their work for the AATIP, and they analyzed it and found that it was ordered at the molecular level, and it exhibited some highly exotic gravitational characteristics when irradiated with THz frequency photons. I think that sample and their experimental/analytical results are still classified.

    I think that Tom DeLonge heard about these results and saw the supporting documentation somehow. Flash forward a couple of years, and under heavy fire on the Joe Rogan Show, Tom DeLonge spilled the beans about these findings in a last-ditch effort to share his excitement with Joe Rogan.

    I think that spooked everyone involved with TTSA because going public with that stuff was a serious security breach and several people on the board were left clutching their security clearances afraid that they’d lose them over this breach. So they pulled his future appearances, and gave Lue Elizondo the job of public outreach, which is why he’s been all over the place and DeLonge hasn’t had a single public interview since that appearance.

    I think that Puthoff et al. were already aware of a similar sample of legit exotic metamaterial in the public sector, and acquiring that sample and reproducing their classified findings through public channels was always a key part of their entire plan. Work done in the public sector is always unclassified, but doing it openly in the public eye assured them extra protection – imo that’s a key reason why TTSA was founded as a public benefit company with public stockholders.

    And I think they’ve completed that work and are now ready to reveal it to the public, and it’s going to be an effing game changer.

    They’ve been indicating that this is their own assessment for weeks now. And with Steve Justice in charge of this project, my gut instinct is to trust it. And logically, I don’t think they’d be making these kinds of noises about this if they didn’t actually have the goods, because if this show airs in May and it’s a dud, their whole company is going up in flames.

    I don’t think they’d set fire to this company by trying to pull off some lame hoax. I think that Lue Elizondo and Steve Justice are way too smart to let that happen. And Puthoff and Davis aren’t fools either.

    So while my position is still “wait and see,” I will be holding my breath until May. Because everything I’ve seen points to a major breakthrough in the physical science of ufology.

    And in the worst case scenario, it’ll be a complete dud, and we can all forget about TTSA and then focus on other things. I just don’t think it’s going to play out like that, but I could be wrong.

    They’d damn well better put the science out there once they make this announcement on the air, because everyone’s going to want to see the hard data, and as a public benefit corporation, they’ve promised to make their findings public.

    But publication and peer-review…that’s a whole other ball of wax. Traditionally, no mainstream physics journal has been willing to touch any papers on this subject – it’s an unspoken taboo. So finding a publisher willing to step into this much controversy could be a steep uphill battle. Hopefully at least one editor will accept a paper on this for peer-review: for sure it will definitely be a money-maker for anyone with the guts to publish it. But if they write such a paper, it’s not on them to have it peer-reviewed – it’ll have to be accepted by a journal first. Of course I want to see that happen. But it’s a dicey proposition – they’ll have to get lucky and find an editor with the stones to accept a paper about an exotic AAV material…and that’s going to be a very hard sell.
     
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  5. Spaceman spiff

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    Yep thats what im thinking too. Im aware of the UFO taboo, or even the ET taboo so entrenched in the academic world. Even if they somehow have all the results to hand on a silver platter, i dont think its gonna be so simple. No, if anything i fear someone's gonna move the goal posts, and at best we will have an academic argument round and bureaucracy that will take years if not decades to resolve. Thats how things would go in my country at least. Paradigms tend to change slowly.

    Im expecting something like this again, if it gets to that point:

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  6. Thomas R. Morrison

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    If this is what I think it is, then yes - the establishment is going to fight them tooth and nail, and god only knows what lengths they'll go to - I have serious concerns about their safety, frankly.

    But these are smart people, with serious connections, and they've been laying the groundwork politically for at least a year. That may give them an edge - I hope so anyway.

    It kills me that I'm missing this conference right now - I want to talk those people so badly. But even at this distance, the vibes coming from that conference are loud and clear: "the times, they are a-changin'." I'll be stunned if this doesn't turn out to be big news - all the facts at hand, and the way the timeline has played out, and my spidey sense, all point to a major breakthrough. And holy crap am I ready to finally see it happen.
     
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  7. Shadowprophet

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    Here is what I don't get guys, If you have that massive acceleration and exotic materials that affect Gravity, Why not Time dilation? All the forces are there for it to occur in theory,

    Yes, This isn't a fact, But I fully believe the reasons they are so fast is a manipulation of relativity. They are using time dilation Because of this manipulation of the dilated time, They are experiencing time at a different speed than we do, What I am getting at is the energy they spend to travel that fast may not be that great and vast as we imagine, Using something like time dilation, They could move much faster than us, They would have more time to think and react, they would be in effect many times more intelligent because they literally had much more time to think and react than we do.

    I'm just saying, Time dilation is pretty much a proven fact of sorts, We account for time dilation to make satellites function GPS data properly.

    Maybe they are just leisurely cruising along at 55 mph and time dilation is the real method they use to travel so fast? so really over great distances, it wouldn't take as much energy. I don't know. I think I'm repeating myself at this point, I apologize guys.
     
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  8. nivek

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    Just saw this...

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  9. spacecase0

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    I still think that the math works out well when you model gravity as an unequal time field.
    and if this is really what is going on,
    then there is not going to be much of a limit as to how fast they can go.
     
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  10. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Time dilation comes in two varieties.

    When an object acquires velocity and momentum through spacetime, for example an accelerated rocket, time passes more slowly for the rocket and its occupants than time passes for the observer who remains in the rest frame - this is called special relativistic time dilation.

    The other variety of time dilation is called gravitational time dilation. Time passes more slowly for an object that's within a gravitational field (or more technically, time passes more slowly for an object in a region of higher gravitational potential). So time passes more slowly for those of us on the surface of the Earth, than it passes for satellites in orbit.

    The two most exciting things about the physics of gravitational field propulsion are 1.) there's no theoretical upper limit to transit speed - in principle you could travel much faster than the speed of light with this method...in fact there's no known upper limit on speed at all. And 2.) you could in theory travel to a star light-years away and return home in time for lunch - and there are no intrinsic time dilation effects for that journey, so if the trip takes 3 hours for the astronaut, then three hours have also passed back on Earth.

    You could in theory make the same journey to a star in 3 hours using reaction propulsion like a rocket (if you could produce enough thrust and survive the acceleration forces) but many years would have passed on the Earth when you return.

    So you can see the advantage of a gravitational field propulsion system: if you'd like to be able to travel halfway around the galaxy and come back to tell your friends about it, gravitational field propulsion is the only known theoretical method for doing that. With any other method, you could in theory make that journey, but everyone you knew when you left the Earth would have died of old age thousands of years ago by the time you return home.

    But yes, aside from all that, once you can generate a powerful gravitational field through some new form of technology, then you can also produce time dilation effects for any reason you like. You could create a powerful uniform gravitational field inside of your craft, for example, so time is passing more slowly for you than it's passing for the observers outside of the craft, and like you said, that would allow you to think and function at a much higher speed relative to the people outside of your craft. And if somebody launched a guided missile at your craft, from your POV inside the craft it would be moving very slowly, and you'd have plenty of time to react and evade it. It wouldn't surprise me at all if AAVs have this capability, because we can see that they're using gravitational field propulsion, which means they have the capability to synthetically generate gravitational fields. It would make sense to use that same technology to manipulate time as well, for a variety of purposes.

    It's also possible to use gravitational fields to make your craft larger on the inside than on the outside, like Dr. Who's Tardis. The magnitude of all of these effects depends entirely upon your technological capability to synthetically produce stronger gravitational fields. In theory you could fit New York City inside of a 30ft vehicle, and travel between galaxies in a matter of seconds, if you could technologically generate very powerful gravitational fields of both polarities.

    I like what Dr. Knuth had to say at this conference about the viability of sub-light interstellar travel, but to me it's completely beside the point, because none of the craft we're seeing are using reaction propulsion (they aren't spewing huge magnitudes of mass-energy in order to accelerate) - they're using gravitational field propulsion. And the possibilities with that kind of technology are mind-boggling. So we should be talking about that instead.

    I should also mention that with gravitational field propulsion, the people and equipment within the craft never feel any acceleration - to them it feels like standing still, even when the craft is zig-zagging across the sky at thousands of miles per hour, or leaping from a standstill to hypersonic velocity. That's another unique and very useful feature of this method of propulsion. And once the field is established, there's also no cost in energy to keep accelerating, other than whatever inefficiency losses are intrinsic to the technology you're using.
     
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  11. Kchoo

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    One thing that bugs me, is, in a tech environment so calculated and controlled, why zig or zag at all, unless the intention is to demonstrate something to those who witness it.
     
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  12. nivek

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    I linked this thread on Twitter in a tweet to Deep Prasad and here is his response:

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  13. Tate

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    Ok, To clarify is this Topic about theoretic's of a Extra-terrestrial Spacecraft or a plane Jane U.F.O that could be of terrestrial origin?
     
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  14. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Honestly ever since my sighting at the age of seven, alongside four of my neighbors one bright summer day, I've been asking that same question and arrived at the same conclusion: the most likely explanation under those conditions does appear to be that we were given an aerial demonstration intended to get us asking the question "how is that technologically possible?" And the theoretical physics of gravitational field propulsion answers that question. Now the question is strictly technological: how do we make the leap from theory to application? And TTSA may now have the key we need to answer that question.

    He's been doing such a great job Tweeting about that conference, it blows my mind that thousands of people aren't on the edge of their seats following his Twitter feed, like we are.

    Basically I think the question of origin is moot: the technological realization of a gravitational field propulsion device is the real game changer here, because if we can replicate that technology out here in the public sector, then that advancement will throw open the door to manned interstellar travel and exploration, and trigger a new Renaissance for global human civilization.

    I tend to think that we humans have not yet achieved this kind of technology, but it's impossible to rule anything out in a scenario where untold billions of dollars have been spent on classified military research programs over a span of decades. I'd love to think that Lockheed or somebody has built AAVs that can perform zig-zag maneuvers at thousands of miles per hour in any medium, and accelerate like a bullet with no detectable emissions of any kind, because that level of technology makes manned interstellar travel about as challenging as a drive to the grocery store - and if it's currently feasible for humans to build that tech then we could change the world virtually overnight. But I think it's much more likely that all such devices originated elsewhere, and we still have to figure out how to build it, and create the infrastructure to do that.
     
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  15. Tate

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    The reason i asked about clarification is to the point of this comment. If it was Terrestrial tech, Let's say american or Chinese government why would they not just shove the new form of propulsion into familiar craft such as for america maybe a F-15 Fighter jet?

    I know you guys are getting into theories on how the forms of propulsion work scientifically but the Chassis of a Craft is important also just from an engineering stand point.
     
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  16. Thomas R. Morrison

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    The kind of technology being reported by expert eyewitnesses like Cmdrs. Fravor and Slaight, and professional radar operators like Kevin Day, is a radically different kind of propulsion than a jet or rocket thruster. I don't see any reasonable approach to hybridizing the two kinds of technology. It appears that the propulsion field employed by AAVs is generated by the hull of the craft itself. And for control purposes, it makes sense to keep the shape of the craft simple.

    An aircraft is an entirely different kind of beast, designed for an entirely different application of physics - specifically, aerodynamics. An AAV doesn't use aerodynamics. So trying to merge the two technologies would be like adding a rocket engine to a biplane.

    It makes much more sense to design a new craft around the new technology, rather than try to retrofit 21st century technology to 20th century technology.

    In other news, Danny Silva posted this today in a new post at Silva Record:

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  17. Tate

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    The Reason i asked and that the point of origin is not as moot as ya think, Is simply to go off Terrestrial Tech or not. Example, In the universe as a unknown there is Possible Materials and Life forms we may have no knowledge of.
     
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  18. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Hmm...I'm not quite sure what you're getting at: I think it's a given that the universe is full of new life forms and countless materials presently unknown to man.

    I'm fascinated by the prospect of contact with intelligent alien life forms - and I'm all for it. But our visitors seem to be about as interested in striking up a conversation with us, as we are in having a chat with a nematode.

    And as far as materials go, while there are untold trillions or more varieties of materials that are possible to produce with the stable atomic building blocks of nature, it does appear that there are a limited number of such stable building blocks - specifically stable isotopes, and we have access to all of them (except perhaps a few on the island of stability which we haven't been able to produce yet).

    So in principle, we should be able to replicate any kind of material, given the right technological infrastructure and working conditions. Human ingenuity being what it is, I assume that sooner or later we could learn to replicate any kind of material or metamaterial that can exist in this universe. And that's exciting, because it means that anything that an alien civilization can build - like a superluminal interstellar spacecraft - we can build too, sooner or later.
     
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  19. nivek

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    Thanks for that explanation, I was wondering some of the details surrounding the ability to reproduce or compare the findings, you explained it perfectly...

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  20. Tate

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    Ok, there is a lot to Unpack here. Sorry, I am talking to Shadowprophet over hangouts and have been preoccupied. This why the sweeping broad statements was made. Also, to get a feel of what the topic really was concerning. whether through Drakes equation or just the law of probability's i believe their is intelligent life we do not know about whether extra-terrestrial or of terrestrial decent hidden among us.

    I think i like you Mr. Morrison, I have had the same thought about the differences between us and them and this thought has occurred many times.

    As far as agreeing with you on this, I would have to say no. Reason being is we have not fully explored our own planet let alone the Googleplex of planets out there. If we really concentrated all of the Empirical fact we know in science with out repetition or drawn out explanation of a subject we might come out with a Pamplet of fact's. I am not saying this to knock human knowledge as a whole in the head and be nihilistic. I am saying it because with a little comedic exaggeration it is true.

    But is mimicking and simulating a thing, Really a understanding of that thing? Sp and I had this Philosophical Discussion about A.I in the upcoming Androids.
     
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