The Physical Science of Ufology

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  1. Shadowprophet

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    Yeah Not to go off topic, But on the AI thing, I think a reasonably sophisticated program could simulate consciousness in a meaningful way and still yet be just a program without a true sense of self, Just a series of complicated subroutines could simulate consciousness, personality, emotion, indistinguishable from a true consciousness and therefore be just as valid socially.
     
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  2. Thomas R. Morrison

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    ...that's what I'm talkin about.
     
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  3. nivek

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    Indeed I'm just now catching up on that conversation from last night, amazing revelations, so they possess more than one type of meta material it seems eh?...

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    Enjoy...

    Luis Elizondo speaks at Scientific Conference on Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena March 15 2019.

     
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    30:52 minute mark: Hal and Lue had an official US debriefing on UFOs with a senior gov official from South America.

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    I can wait 2 months. Thanks for the update!
     
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    Thanks for that, pretty intresting to watch.
     
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    Yeah, Deep Passed is telling us about what Thomas and I had been talking for a year here on this forum, not to mention year before that on the TheParacast's forum.

    Another thing, Dr Puthoff is well known for jumping into conclusions, like free energy and similar stuff.
     
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  10. Dejan Corovic

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    This is of substantially great importance.

    Dark energy and dark matter, whatever they are, are producing repulsive gravity. So repulsive gravity had been observed.
     
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    It appears this video has been pulled, I cannot find it online currently...I'm sure someone made a copy, I did not, please repost here if you do have a copy...

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  12. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Too soon to say - right now I'm assuming that they have one metamaterial sample (or perhaps more likely several samples of one type of metamaterial recovered from a single event), and another kind of sample of interest - perhaps the metallic residue that Jacques Vallee has talked about which exhibits a highly anomalous isotopic ratio in its composition (according to Vallee, a sample recovered from an incident in Argentina was found to have 3 different isotopes of one element, and each isotope was present in ratios of thirds - if true then that's clear evidence of artificiality because that happens nowhere in nature, and would be very costly to produce).

    I'm so bummed that was taken down before I could watch it.

    Er, I wouldn't put it that way. Dr. Puthoff is actually very circumspect; he entertains a wide variety of possibilities which have appeared in the academic literature. I don't see him "jumping to conclusions" as much as "giving cutting-edge ideas a fair hearing," which is the mark of a good scientist imo.

    You can see how he discusses ideas like zero-point energy in this video - he does so very thoughtfully, and he offers citations and specific names so you can verify what he's saying (and I'm familiar with those citations - they do appear in credible peer-reviewed journals):



    No - dark matter isn't producing repulsive gravity - only dark energy does that - according to our best (and frankly inadequate) current understanding of these phenomena anyway. But yes, repulsive gravity has been empirically proven via the dark energy observations: the outstanding problem at this point is to understand it.

    Speculating here for a moment can offer an interesting point: if the metamaterial they've been talking about does actually produce a negative gravitational field (aka antigravity) under the proper conditions, then this may mean that "dark energy" is indeed an effect, not a "stuff." And this material may be producing that effect technologically. Which is the key to the kind of gravitational field propulsion principle that we've seen in the academic literature for the last 25 years. I've been rooting for a phenomenological understanding of dark energy for precisely this reason for many years - because if we can harness aka synthesize the dark energy effect technologically, then that's the key to gravitational field propulsion and therefore superluminal manned interstellar spaceflight, imo.
     
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  13. Dejan Corovic

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    I can explain that exactly and should had done that long ago.

    Almost all modern military radars are Doppler effect radars that scan airspace from one side to another. Doppler radars can only see you if you are moving towards them, at least a little. That means that if you are moving sideways, at 90 degrees to the radar beam, these radars can't see you. You just blinded them.

    That technique is used in dogfighting and it is called "notching". If an enemy plane locks you with his radar in order to shoot a missile at you, you just turn 90 degrees to his radar beam and break the radar lock. That spoofs missile launch and saves your life.

    Now, all radars scan and scanning takes a finite time.

    So what UFOs are doing is radar evasion. When radar beam is onto them they fly 90 degree to the beam so ufo can't be seen. When beam is off the UFO, to cover the rest of beam's scan path, UFO flies in a desired direction. The sum of the evasion maneuver and flight towards desired direction appears as zig-zag flight.
     
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  14. nivek

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    Yes indeed as I have been reading and following along all I can, first on that other site before inviting you here, and have most enjoyed the information you've both shared here...

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    Here's an update on the reason and status of the video that was taken offline...

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  16. Thomas R. Morrison

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    I don't think it's necessarily that complicated.

    Zig-zag maneuvers are an ideal evasion technique even without specific radar considerations, because all targeting systems require a relatively slow and constant change in position to maintain target lock. None of our systems know how to handle a target that zig-zags at thousands of miles per hour.

    I still consider this as a possible explanation for what I saw that day - a purely defensive tactic. But we saw no pursuit planes and I can't imagine the military launching a missile at these things over an urban suburb, so they didn't have any reason to move evasively.
     
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  17. Dejan Corovic

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    Can you please elaborate a bit more.

    I am currently digging deep into Dr Eric Virlande's entropic gravity in which gravity is not a fundamental force caused by some particle, thus no "stuff", but gravity is phenomenon emerging from quantum entanglement in similar way to temperature.

    So indeed emergence might need less energy than if gravity was mediated by particle.

    When I make list of both good and bad critiques of emergent vs dark stuff gravity, emergent gravity wins by a steady margin. And it has a lead when it comes to confirmation by astronomical observations.
     
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  18. Dejan Corovic

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    There is nothing complicated about what I said. Anybody familiar with radars would immediately understand.

    In order to launch missile one first has to have a radar lock otherwise one is shooting missile into blue yonder.

    Reason you've seen no pursuit aeroplanes, in the first place, is because ufo avoided radar detection with these zig zag moves.

    Weather ufo was over urban suburb or not matters very little because Ufonauts most likely would rather be safe than sorry. Most likely there was a military airbase with radar within 200-300 miles.

    That was like that during WW2. Nowadays when plane is locked scanning stops and beam follows locked plane's every move. That's why it's called "lock".
     
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  19. Thomas R. Morrison

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    I tend to think that the dark energy effect is a negative gravitational effect produced by specific physical conditions. The pertinent conditions and relevant mathematical relationships are as-yet unknown, but could include any number of interacting factors; the mass-energy distribution of surrounding galaxies, their angular momentum and radiance, gravitational lensing, the interstellar medium, large-scale quantum interactions, the velocity distribution of matter at cosmological scales, the acceleration profile of the universe over cosmological timescales, etc.

    But I think that when we figure out how it works at cosmological scales, we'll be able to produce the same effect - and amplify it substantially, through technological means.

    I haven't studied his theory with any rigor yet, so I can't comment on it at this point. I'll put that on my to-do list.

    Yeah but any zig-zagging motion makes that impossible, regardless of the specific flight trajectory relative to the radar transmitter. That's my point.

    That doesn't hold up; AAVs are detected by radar all the time moving in these erratic ways - we heard about this in the Nimitz case. Objects don't need to move perpendicular to the radar tower in order to elude a target lock - any sufficiently rapid and random motions will do the trick.

    And in most areas there's more than one radar system operating, both civilization and military, so they'd have to choose which tower to move perpendicular to, and then follow large circular trajectories around that point. I've never heard of them doing that.

    Eh, maybe. It seems a bit much to zig-zag across the clear blue sky to evade a target lock, when they can easily evade any incoming object long before gets close enough to pose a threat.

    But none of our targeting laser systems can re-acquire a target that suddenly changes position at hypersonic velocity. Nor can any radar system "tag" an object that's zig-zagging across the sky. Such motions break any target lock instantly. So they don't need to become radar invisible by moving perpendicular to the tower. Nor have I heard any reports of them doing that. That's what's I'm saying.
     
  20. Dejan Corovic

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    That's wrong assumption, based on Doppler effect. For example, if both your zig and your zag were at say 45 degrees, radar would track you continuously and never lose a lock, not even for milisecond. It would mean that you are visible 100% of the time.

    If your zig is at 90 degrees to the beam for 10% of time, than you can spend 90% of time in your zag, going towards your desired bearing, and still be completely invisible to radar.

    Civilian radars don't matter because they don't trigger missile or pursuit fighter plane launch. So they are not a threat. Civilian and military radars are on different frequencies so UFOs can easily distinguish them. No need for circles.

    Yes they could, as soon as you get out of the "notch". Say it's not a radar, but a searchlight. Than lock is narrow beam and scan is wide beam. If you loose target lock you switch out from narrow beam to wide beam and re-accquire the target. Given, it's easier done with radar than with laser.

    If object is locked object's hypersonic velocity doesn't really matter because radar beam travels at a speed of light.

    I explained that that is not true with modern radars. What else can I do?
     
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