The Right to be Cloned

[iwant2believe2]

That's assuming that a cloned body would not be sentient and not be able to feel pain, grow old, get hurt in accidents and have feelings and emotions like a human? Would not need to eat and sleep or shit?

Where would you keep these clones specifically created for body parts? In a cage or some sort of jail like structure while they await to have various body parts cut off and used?

Or would you just create the clone on demand when needed?

A cloned body or body part...not necessarily a fully formed person.

All living things are sentient. A tree, a bug, a bacteria...all are sentient. Not all sentients are sapient...it's the degree of sapience by which Man elevates one living thing above another.

Reminds me of the movie The Island.

 

[Merle]

A cloned body or body part...not necessarily a fully formed person.

All living things are sentient. A tree, a bug, a bacteria...all are sentient. Not all sentients are sapient...it's the degree of sapience by which Man elevates one living thing above another.

Reminds me of the movie The Island.

For sure, Mankind's imaginary pecking order about what thing is more sentient and has more right to be than some other thing...

I can just visualise this, all those body parts sitting there all in a row being kept nourished so they don't slowly shrivel up and rot and die with decay while eagerly awaiting a body to attach themselves to....

 

[AlienView]

That's assuming that a cloned body would not be sentient and not be able to feel pain, grow old, get hurt in accidents and have feelings and emotions like a human? Would not need to eat and sleep or shit?

Where would you keep these clones specifically created for body parts? In a cage or some sort of jail like structure while they await to have various body parts cut off and used?

Or would you just create the clone on demand when needed?

On demand - In a way they are doing that now - They take tissue from your body and use it to create {clone]
parts.

And about storage - With in demand parts {heart, kidney, liver} they already have a waiting list - There is a big demand for compatible parts - They have to match certain criteria from host to donor to be compatible

But a whole body - Can a whole body be compatible with a different head???

Well I guess we're going to find out when the Italian doctor tries it - I suppose if you offered your body, like you do now by having them put it on your drivers license that you are signed up to be a donor........And you die from a traumatic head injury with the rest of your body being OK, they could use, assuming your compatible, your body with the other persons head.

But some say consciousness is not solely in the brain - What happens if the body becomes aware of having another head? - May turn from sci-fi to real science - to a real horror story?

Or maybe 'they' will get along!?!

 

[SOUL-DRIFTER]

I would not want a clone of me stumbling around.
One of me is plenty scary enough.

 

[Merle]

On demand - In a way they are doing that now - They take tissue from your body and use it to create {clone]
parts.

And about storage - With in demand parts {heart, kidney, liver} they already have a waiting list - There is a big demand for compatible parts - They have to match certain criteria from host to donor to be compatible

I have a friend who had a whole double lung transplant and it's actually 2 years today and he said he's happy that the lung was a perfect match and that he only needs to see his doctor every three months now, though he does need to keep taking a whole array of medications for the rest of his life....

But a whole body - Can a whole body be compatible with a different head???

But some say consciousness is not solely in the brain - What happens if the body becomes aware of having another head? - May turn from sci-fi to real science - to a real horror story?

Wouldn't, at least to some degree, mean that the brain in the new head would be 'wired' and have reasoning and thinking patterns quite different than the one you gave up? For example, sentience aside, all those parts in the brain where you keep your memories, the different parts activated in every aspect of your everyday life.

The possibility that the new Brain may no longer be wanting to do or being aware of how you used to do things? Or would that matter because you'd have no memory of who you were, how you did things or what you like and don't like when you had your original head? Opens up quite a can of worms...

Or maybe 'they' will get along!?!

You'd want to hope so.. otherwise the rest of your life may turn out to be utter crap... could be rather dismal...

 

[nivek]

What about growing a full body, no parts, a complete body, a thinking and feeling man or woman, but grown for spare parts...What does this individual do until it's needed?...Do you tell the individual that it's purpose is to be harvested?...

 

[AlienView]

I still say the word - And key to the immediate future, is cloning - A fully cloned total replication of one's self
for a brief taste of immortality might be a few years in the future.

But I was watching a science special which showed them cloning, from your tissues, parts that you can use
- That is happeing now.

From a few years ago:

Breakthrough in human cloning offers new transplant hope
For the first time scientists have turned the skin cells of a pensioner into stem cells, which can grow into any type of tissue in the body
See whole article here:
Breakthrough in human cloning offers new transplant hope

But my hope - and this may take a few years - Is for the entirely functional Human like android - Where you entire consciousness could be uploaded to a new more efficient electro-mechnical self.

Face it - biology has probably reached the limitations allowed by Evoulution - And the biological Man tends to be ineffieicient anyway - With new android self you live almost as long as you want with illness, disease or sickness!

THE FUTURE IS NOW!!!

A somewhat imaginative view of how it will be - soon:

The End of Death:
Link:
UNIVERSAL SPACE ALIEN PEOPLES ASSOCIATION: The End of Death

 

[Merle]

I still say the word - And key to the immediate future, is cloning - A fully cloned total replication of one's self for a brief taste of immortality might be a few years in the future.

A somewhat imaginative view of how it will be - soon:

The End of Death:
UNIVERSAL SPACE ALIEN PEOPLES ASSOCIATION: The End of Death

Somewhat imaginative for sure.... Everything comes to an End, the Sun will die one day as will the Earth so making absolute statements like this article does, 'The End of Death' doesn't make sense.

I'm thinking - why would you want immortal life anyway? The World would soon become so overcrowded that not only would you have trouble finding space to move around in, you'd be scunging around like some semi demented feral wild thing looking for food because resources sustaining life would quickly get depleted.

What would you do, spend Eternity trying to eek out a living just to keep a roof over your head and keep yourself fed and entertained in some way?

What, do good deeds for the sake of others so you can feel good about yourself or sit on Facebook posting pointless fake memes and forever be making posts on Internet Forums... who says I'm being cynical... lol...

 

[iwant2believe2]

For sure, Mankind's imaginary pecking order about what thing is more sentient and has more right to be than some other thing...

Not more sentient...more sapient...humans are assholes.

 

[Merle]

Not more sentient...more sapient...humans are assholes.

That reminds of some sort of a weekend workshop I got conned into doing which I did on whim yonks ago...

We were all asked to say what it was we generally thought about people and about how people treat each other... Some said, money hungry, greedy, bastards, unsocial parasites and so on... Some replies were rather bitter but there were quite a number with fairly positive attitudes as well. I said something like, that I basically saw people as being pretty good even though there are some who had bad ways about them though I did make mention that some were plain horrid...

Then we were asked to turn that around as seeing ourselves as having those traits... So instead of saying, I see people as being (bla bla) you said, I see myself as (bla bla).... The theory being, that how you saw other people is a reflection of not only traits you have within yourself, but also a reflection of how you treat other people including yourself...

It was quite interesting because as each person analysed what they said and then took a close look at themselves, no matter how much some initially rejected doing that, they did end up admitting, (to some degree), that it truely was how they saw themselves too... Privately, I was smugly happy that I hadn't been too negative in what I said... lol...

Be that a true or false psycholgy, more like dichotomy I think the expression is, I have no clue about that, but I saw merit in it in that it made me think deeper about how I saw others and treated them as well as how I treated myself...

 

[AlienView]

Somewhat imaginative for sure.... Everything comes to an End, the Sun will die one day as will the Earth so making absolute statements like this article does, 'The End of Death' doesn't make sense.

I'm thinking - why would you want immortal life anyway? The World would soon become so overcrowded that not only would you have trouble finding space to move around in, you'd be scunging around like some semi demented feral wild thing looking for food because resources sustaining life would quickly get depleted.

What would you do, spend Eternity trying to eek out a living just to keep a roof over your head and keep yourself fed and entertained in some way?

What, do good deeds for the sake of others so you can feel good about yourself or sit on Facebook posting pointless fake memes and forever be making posts on Internet Forums... who says I'm being cynical... lol...

I'll have to paint the picture - Immortality is an art not a religion or a science.

As computer intelligence increases it becomes apparent that we are creating a 'super-brain' - A brain that is already beyond our small human imaginations - A brain as expansive and comprehensive as the universe itself
- In fact, regardless of where we come from originally - We are creating for want of a better word GOD
- whether or not God exists or did exist is irrelevant - Somehow we have been programmed {at least it appears that way} to create him.

This machine will go far beyond your wildest imagination - It will calculate time in a multidimensional paradigm - It will calculate life, what life is, where life is going and why you and I are here.

My mythical Boorg Industries, Inc. and its offering to end death in the traditional sense is not a figment of my imagination - I, and you, are figments of the imagination now emanating from the future
- In real time, only the future exists, everything else is past - now ends as soon as you think about
- and we really live only in future time.

That said, immortality is not as far fetched or threatening as you might envision it to be - It is an option that you can accept on a limited basis - And when you have had enough of existence in the current paradigm/matrix you can check out.

The thing is, and hardcore atheist, might be afraid of this - You, in fact, and without any religious agenda,
end up with an immortal soul - When you check out of your existence in this world you essence - that which makes you you - is absorbed back into the central computer system whch is now emanating this universe
- possibly others - And may lead to the creation of many other dimensions and universes.

Are you ready? - Want to party with us?

THE FUTURE IS NOW !!!


SCIENCEFICTIONALISM the Way of the FUTURE
Link:
UNIVERSAL SPACE ALIEN PEOPLES ASSOCIATION: SCIENCEFICTIONALISM the Way of the FUTURE

 

[iwant2believe2]

That reminds of some sort of a weekend workshop I got conned into doing which I did on whim yonks ago...

We were all asked to say what it was we generally thought about people and about how people treat each other... Some said, money hungry, greedy, bastards, unsocial parasites and so on... Some replies were rather bitter but there were quite a number with fairly positive attitudes as well. I said something like, that I basically saw people as being pretty good even though there are some who had bad ways about them though I did make mention that some were plain horrid...

Then we were asked to turn that around as seeing ourselves as having those traits... So instead of saying, I see people as being (bla bla) you said, I see myself as (bla bla).... The theory being, that how you saw other people is a reflection of not only traits you have within yourself, but also a reflection of how you treat other people including yourself...

It was quite interesting because as each person analysed what they said and then took a close look at themselves, no matter how much some initially rejected doing that, they did end up admitting, (to some degree), that it truely was how they saw themselves too... Privately, I was smugly happy that I hadn't been too negative in what I said... lol...

Be that a true or false psycholgy, more like dichotomy I think the expression is, I have no clue about that, but I saw merit in it in that it made me think deeper about how I saw others and treated them as well as how I treated myself...

Wouldn't it just be simpler to say "Tutu you're an asshole" lol

Mankind ranks life and puts himself clearly at the top...and if that's not enough...goes even further and ranks humankind by gender, race, sexual orientation, social status, etc...and puts himself squarely at the top. 'Man in the mirror' psychology aside, the sorry state of the world is all the evidence I need to know that's true. God help us all if Man did become immortal in the flesh.

 

[SOUL-DRIFTER]

.... God help us all if Man did become immortal in the flesh.

I'll drink to that.

 

[Merle]

Wouldn't it just be simpler to say "Tutu you're an asshole" lol

Had to laugh at that... reminded me of what my youngest sister says... 'Cut the crap out and just get to the point'...

Anyway, according to what I said I can't do that... owhhh here I go again... never mind... lol...

God help us all if Man did become immortal in the flesh.

Ugh... perish the thought....

 

[AlienView]

OK how about some facts - And even some good points on cloning you may not realize:

9 Unexpected Outcomes Of Human Cloning
"Human cloning is currently illegal in virtually all parts of the world, but that doesn't mean it will stay that way. Here are some surprising things we can expect once we're finally allowed to make genetic duplicates of ourselves.........."

..............To date, no human clone has ever been born. But back in 2008, researchers successfully created the first five mature human embryos using somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT) where the nucleus of a somatic cell was taken from a donor and transplanted into a vacant host egg cell. The embryos were only allowed to develop to the blastocyst stage, at which point they were studied and then destroyed.

So we know we can do it — we're just not entirely sure if it's completely safe. Nor is public opinion on board with the prospect. But that's not to say it won't ever happen. As the science improves, and as the concept gets normalized in our culture (thanks to shows like Orphan Black), people's opinions will likely change, and with it, the laws.

But if human cloning ever does become legal, we can expect some weirdness. Here are nine surprising outcomes.

1. Who Clones Who?.............."
See whole article here:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/9-unexpected-outcomes-of-human-cloning-1606556772


At any rate, and in spite of what they say, cloning is already going on - but mainly on other planets.

Before they put me down here looking like an ordinary Human - I was cloned
- And here is what I looked like originally {before the Alien/Human cloning procedure}:

boards.theforce.net

 

[hux]

Don't take this the wrong way, I hope the surgery works for him, hope he makes it through this, but quite honestly I don't think these surgeons or specialists can do it...I think this is going to be too difficult a task, too complicated still to perform a surgery like this...I hope I'm wrong but that's how I see it...

Imagine if they could, and memories or feelings were transferred over. I read a very bizarre case of a man who had no history of depression, no want to die, a happy life. He got a heart transplant from someone that had sadly committed suicide, married the widow and then killed himself. Some argue that the muscle memory drove all of those things to happen...

More information can be found here, although I detest the DM with every bone in my body haha.

 

[Merle]

..............To date, no human clone has ever been born.

Granted, I haven't read the whole article yet, but I will as time permits... (for some strange reason every day life seems to interfere and get in the way)...

That begs the question... are clones actually born or are they created?

But back in 2008, researchers successfully created the first five mature human embryos using somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT) where the nucleus of a somatic cell was taken from a donor and transplanted into a vacant host egg cell. The embryos were only allowed to develop to the blastocyst stage, at which point they were studied and then destroyed.

Technically, would that be a clone? If creating a clone first means creating an embryo and then being born, would it still need to go through all the usual stages of human development after birth? Babyhood, childhood, teenage years and so on....

Say for example, you are aged 45 and you need a new arm and the only way you can get one is to have a clone made of yourself.... If so, then would that mean that for your clone to have an age appropriate arm for the age you are (45) it would take 45 years of growing t0 achieve? ....... and by then you'd be 90 and possibly all withered up as well as almost dead, that's if you're not already dead .... and by then your cloned arm would only be 45 and still not be age appropriate anyway...

And once the arm is chopped off what happens to the rest of the cloned body? .... Stick it in a jar to preserve it in case you need some more body parts later down the track? ... or can it just keep developing minus the arm?

Or somehow, your clone is just a part clone right from creation, a living breathing arm developing and growing until it's suitable, by some sort of a fast growing development process yet to be invented, to be transplanted as a replacement for your arm... ?

So many more senarios I can think of but..... now to read the rest of the article without sending myself too crazy...

(If you're scratching your head wondering what I'm getting at don't ask me because I don't know either... lol)...

 

[Gambeir]

They say its illegal to clone Humans - And who are these guardians of Humanity to deny you the right to at least a temporary taste of immortality?

I am tired and I am old but not quite ready to check-out, not while the technology exists today for a fully functional duplicate me, in a younger new body, to replace the old age decaying me - I want to come back
and start all over.

Science fiction you say? - No its not - we can do it now - Today - We can jump off the matrix of the mortal and jump into the realm of the immortal.

Are you ready Human - ready to see what it means to be immortal - Ready to be young again?

They are the self proclaimed rulers you people keep voting for instead of hanging. That's who they are.

Now my understanding is that first humans cloned were done in the early 80's. The reason they don't want you to have the right to clone is because they want to sell you body parts instead. There's a psychic on Yucktube whose said that the push for physical fitness and anti-smoking has to do with a demand for body parts, and that they are abducting people for these purposes, as well as for extensive entertainment purposes. He talks about dark vans targeting late night 24 hour fitness clubs. Prison ships were people are kept. Highly entertaining video with, in my opinion, spot on forecasts/truth telling.

At about 1:30 he starts talking about the child abductions/body parts/ect. However, the whole video is laced with information of all kinds. Much of it already suspected/known/spoken of/ ect.

Psychic Medium Joseph Titte

 

[Gambeir]

The other problem with cloning is that it runs headlong into a long term agenda which is being marketed under the false flag of AI, or artificial intelligence.

Under this scheme, the committee of 300's plan to cull the global population involves the selling of life inside a quartz/silicon chip and a metal body. Really this is a plan for a super slick holocaust. A kind of updated version of Logan's Run, where people will come to believe that they can transfer their consciousness into an inanimate object. This will of course seem quite real to the unwary. Computers can already fool people into thinking they are talking to another person.

The other option, which the PTB are intensely working towards, is to be able to actually interdict the consciousness which originates outside the physical body, and with the hope that by doing this they will be able to physically hijack the mind of those whom fall for the AI scheme, and to thus physically plant their consciousness inside an artificial but controllable
environment. Here a computer chip would be ideal since no actions can happen without a pre-approved program.

Ya see, what people don't understand are Animals and what makes an animal do what it does do, because animals aren't less intelligent than humans. What they are and what makes them different are instincts, and instincts are biological programs which cannot be denied, the same as the rules which apply to your home computer.

So we can't have cloning ya see. There's a long range criminal plot to use people, well always has been that way, but now we are really getting down to really using them to their full potential don't ya see.

Now rather interestingly, I think, if you reflect upon this scheme for a while you might see how this fits into biblical warnings, and how selling your soul to the devil will result in eternal damnation, which would of course be the case since you would never die and yet be a slave locked inside a rock with escape of any kind quite impossible. I believe that the devil is supposed to be a very slick smooth talker, and while I myself am not the least bit religious this AI scheme is fitting the bill quite nicely.

Ya see, the powers that be know you're mind is outside of your physical body and that the brain/body are a kind of receiver. They of course deny this entirely, but the evidence is as ancient as mankind. If you understand this then you can see through their plot.

 

[Castle-Yankee54]

Boys from Brazil did have a happy ending....probably a good reason for it being illegal.