The State of Ufology

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  1. Standingstones

    Standingstones See you in heaven, if you make the list.

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    When I look at what is happening in Ufology I wonder how the general public can take any of this seriously. Someone once said that Ufology is more about the personalities than it is about ufo cases. I tend to agree with that assessment.

    When I look to see that Roswell is still being hashed around over 70 years since that incident happened, I have to think that this field has barely inched forward. What does everyone else think about UFOs and the paranormal these days?
     
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  2. Wade

    Wade How 'bout some Christma$ cheer?

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    My interest has pretty much plummeted over the past couple of years and it appears I am not the only one one according to an article that appeared in British paper a couple weeks ago that I posted in this forum.
    Truthfully I was never really interested in Roswell or Rendelshem. But things like Memes, an intelligent internet, an occasional clown/ harlequin popping up every now and then and pretty much anything on The Twilight Language web site.
     
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  3. wwkirk

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    Isn't TTSA the epitome of current ufology?
     
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  4. AlienView

    AlienView Honorable

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    What does TTSA stand for?
    Your abbreviation search returned 28 meanings..............???????
     
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  5. AlienView

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    They, we, take it seriously because of the potential implications 'IF" only a small amount of it is true.

    If you have been studying it long enough it can get redundant But new events, information and sightings
    keep happening.

    So even if 'the smoking gun' absolute proof is lacking - There are enough observable anomalies going on
    to keep anyone who wants to be interested, interested.

    Good Ufology and good science fiction never get boring - while the so called 'real world' can get
    very boring.
     
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  6. pigfarmer

    pigfarmer tall, thin, irritable

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    Absolutely true.
    Hate to use corporatespeke but individual efforts are in silos. When you get an organization big enough to be effective it is crushed under the weight of it's own money and personalities, hence MUFON.
    Ufology repackaged for the 21st century is TTSA for the most part and I just don't know what to make of that but am not holding my breath. Anxious to see what comes of it but cynical enough to have doubt.

    I will say that APIGuy seems to be making an honest effort and still would like to think a small group might turn up something really surprising.
     
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  7. Ron67

    Ron67 Ignorance isn’t bliss!

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    As our fellow poster CGL has pointed out,most if not all of the UFO stuff that got a lot of us interested has been proven to be faked or misidentified.Added to the impact of CGI and it’s no wonder people have become jaded about the subject.I still favour the ETH and haven’t given up hope that something conclusive will happen in my life time.
     
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  8. goblin

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    I think there are still a lot of people who "want to believe", and there are the occasional tantalizing images, always subject to interpretation, and intriguing reports. But what I would consider actual evidence, well, you'd think there'd be a lot more by this point.

    There is the curse of people wanting to make a buck in the 'field of UFOlogy', and tall tales, and the whole thing can seem rather tainted. I don't know who I think is an expert or great researcher right now; I know who I am skeptical of, and suspect I am harder on people than most, in my armchair judgments. I also know who I enjoy hearing on podcasts and whose books I want to read.

    If I had a personal experience I'd probably be a lot more gung ho about UFOs. For me there is some nostalgia value to the subject, for my having been interested in it from a young age, and it certainly can be fun or frightening to speculate. If I see a mainstream news article on the topic ("mystery glowing object on film near the international space station!", that sort of thing) I'll invariably check it out.
     
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  9. wwkirk

    wwkirk Noble

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    To The Stars Academy
     
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  10. Zeke

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    If what many ufologists theorize is true, then knocked down saucers by military and ET bodies held in underground bases would never be outright disclosed to the public. The evidence is being presented in a minuscule trickle by the Pentagon's UFO Program and TTSA/ADAM, in what appears to be, a methodical effort to slowly acclimate the public to the UFO reality on their terms.

    I suspect if ETs visit Earth (in either IDH or ETH form): 1. their saucers don't crash or highly rare occurrence 2. they don't land to make themsevles known for various reasons. Looking at this from both sides, it's complex AF.

    I mean you have actual disclosure by the military, in a very minute form. So relatively speaking that's a big step and it is happening right now.

    Also the public has been jaded by movies (Star Trek, Star Wars, Independence Day, Aliens, Predator, etc). So even if there's real disclosure, it's not being given the attention it would get decades earlier.
     
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  11. AlienView

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    Yes, the latest disclosure that they were lying and have spent millions more in research tells us something.

    But what does it tell us? - That they now take the phenomenon seriously? - we already knew that
    - Project Blue Book, etc., etc. would not have happened if they did not take it seriously
    - But apparently either they were lying OR more info from more advanced radar, etc. is showing that the
    phenomenon is more real, and potentially more dangerous than was realized way back years ago.

    I would not worry about it though - soon as the aliens take over, and assuming they don't eat us
    for food - the'll let us know what they want.

    Maybe even admit they created biological life with its experimental lke genealogy as an experiment.

    Imagine waking up one day to find the real reason why you exist???
     
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  12. Zeke

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    Yeah obviously it was studied before, you had to be a total idiot or not doing your job, not to look seriously into the numerous ongoing sighting of non-conventional spaceships over the skies.

    Project Blue Book according to Richard Dolan was more a PR smokescreen operation to appease the public and secondly extract the real and best UFO reports to study seriously, while leaving the bogus ones left to be help ridicule the subject.

    We see the intelligence operations accomplish several objectives at once, very efficiently. Now the current government disclosure has partially been pushed forward from pressure by prior and ongoing public disclosure efforts. You might think Greer's positive take on UFOs is BS, and you can be all on Joe Rogan's jock strap, but in reality Dr Greer's done more for Disclosure than anyone in the field - from the 2001 National Press Club, 2013 Citizens Hearings 2017, to Unacknowledged, and so on. I think the public pressing for it, led by researchers like him, has forced the timeline for the minimal Pentagon disclosure in 2017.

    There's a lot going on actually. We have
    1. Pentagon Disclosure (whatever they purposely allowed Elizondo to reveal publicly, UFO threat identification program, and subsequent TTSA/ADAM)
    2. Sirius Disclosure (Greer - critical of military suppression of advanced alternative energy sources and focus on positive contact with trans-dimensional ETVs)
    3. Intelligent Disclosure (Dolan - the safe not a contactee with wild claims researcher position everyone respects).
    4. Cosmic Disclosure (GAIA - it's a mixed bag of everything like Ancient Aliens, confusing)
    Don't worry, there are already established theories allowing for aliens and God to exist without conflict. You should know some people accept God (even religion as a functional step) ET life and even their intervention in creating humans in current form, and it's not some new revelation to be shocked about for those studying the subject.

    The real reason you exist is at some point in evolution, various ETs accelerated various early human prototypes. We can argue though, but who made the ETs? And note humans would have evolved to their current from without their intervention as well. But who are ETs? who are you once you leave the physical form, your astral or energy form, your idea of yourself form? At some point any being can be God expressed and be seen as "gods". Religion looks up and derives wisdom from Buddha, Krishna, Christ, etc for a reason. They could be on other planets, and come in crafts too. This is a relative perspective from one being who's less awakened to his real nature, to another being who's more or completely awakened to his real nature - namely what is generally termed as God - what's left once you abandon your false or temporary forms. Eating magic mushrooms Joe Rogan style provides a preview but only that.

    Additionally, if we find there are multiple human forms in the universe - who arrived at the same physical bodies separately without intervention - we can make a case there is some blueprint for humanoid creatures in the multiverse. Even if you accept early humans were genetically tweaked by ETs at some point, the fact remains these early human prototypes were well on their way. So we cannot say they were outright engineered by ETs. The blueprints are already in the cosmos. We don't necessarily need outside intervention by aliens for this to materialize. Though they can accelerate the process, as they did.

    A blueprint idea in the causal universe is seeded that eventually gets materialized in our physical universe. This is more supportive of ID or Intelligent Design than Evolutionary Theory. You should read some of these books Return of the Ancients (1980) by contactee Normal Paulsen and Autobiography of a Yogi (1946) that provides arguments at "no more mockery of Christianity" Maybe as a challenge to your own beliefs you hold now. I think they figured all this stuff out long ago.

    I don't know about alien or military Secret Space Program bases on the moon or any other celestial bodies in the solar system. I don't know about ETs other than various type of humans and greys. It is said in the regions of the astral universe (underlying this one) all kinds of beings exist - from bigfoot @nivek , to fairies, and maybe even reptilians in the darker regions - this is not part of our physical universe we see with everyday. This is the inter-dimensional or paranormal part of the "phenomenon".

    When studying this field, I think it's important to distinguish between these aspects of what is called collectively the "phenomenon". Some of here argue for one mainly, but I think they are all valid.
    1. UFOs and Aliens (ETVs and ETs) from other planets in our physical universe
    2. UFOs and Aliens (ETVs and ETs) from another dimension, or that can cross over in their trans-dimensional craft
    3. Man-made military classified "UFOs" but actually human innovation, including staged alien abduction psy-ops to reverse engineer real abductees and make aliens look bad/bigger threat than they might be (these maybe a portion of the abduction cases, with others being genuine ET abductions - targets of interest by the military)
    And that's my bottomline on the state of ufology.

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  13. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    ufology is in a confusing state currently
     
  14. AlienView

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    Sure, I'll buy that.

    Now explain this to me - Why in a universe composed of inorganic matter, does organic biological life exist?

    Don't tell me about Humans on Earth or aliens from elsewhere - Tell me why biological life appeared in an
    inorganic universe and why it then proceeds relentlessly in a genealogical experiment, and yes it is obvious,
    that no matter its origin or goals, Evolution is experimental in nature - And I'm using scientific Human
    standards to define an experimental paradigm.

    Seems to me you are left with two choices:

    1. Accept a deity that sets it up and controls it.
    OR
    2. An advanced alien species, beyond what Humans can fully understand, has created, sometimes interacts with, and continues to monitor 'the experiment'.

    Forget about 'disclosure' for now - Most people in the government, like the rest of Humanity,
    can not comprehend a mind so far advanced beyond theirs that it makes the gap between Man and
    ape seem narrow by comparison.



    SEE:

    OPERATION NEW DAWN - THE BEGINNING OF THE FUTURE
    link:
    UNIVERSAL SPACE ALIEN PEOPLES ASSOCIATION: OPERATION NEW DAWN - THE BEGINNING OF THE FUTURE
     
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  15. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    The study on how life began in the universe and research into UFOs are very different fields of research...

    ...
     
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  16. pigfarmer

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    I have - but figured out what they were. Still looking
     
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  17. Zeke

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    Did I miss something. If you choose B, how did those "advanced (organic?) alien species" come about in a universe composed of inorganic matter? This simple 2 choice questionnaire doesn't fully provide answers, instead leads back in a loop to the original question ?? o_O

    Scientifically, biological matter is composed of elements of the periodic table, so given the right combination, conditions and time, it comes about. But there has to be some intelligence driving it. Again it all leads back to a deity, I'm afraid. There is some inherent intelligence working in the background, if we find the same type of life spawns multiple places (granted it would be very hard to prove this). You can call it the Singularity or Intelligence of Everything or whatever. Ultimately IT IS WHAT IS IS.

    The "spiritual answer"(not mine but one I'm paraphrasing) which is kind of evading the question, is that the final questions of mysteries of the origins of life are not open to discussion. But are to be made known to each being when he gets to that place and time where it's answered directly.
     
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  18. Zeke

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    yeah you're confused
     
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  19. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    pretty much
    these are 2 very complicated subjects, i have more or less figured my position in the second issue, but the first, i can't agree on a decision
     
  20. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    why everyone on this website, wants to laugh at my ideas? everywhere else i post people either don't care or like them, the only exception is the extremely toxic r/ufos subreddit, thank god i have been banned from that place
     
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