The State of Ufology

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  1. AlienView

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    Started watching this one - facts, many facts; and the real people involved, real government insiders:
    Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation

    About the Series
    In season two, each episode will center around a specific case or aspect of the modern UAP phenomenon and follow the credible team of connected investigators including former military intelligence official and Special Agent In-Charge, Luis Elizondo, and former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense and Intelligence, Chris Mellon.

    The pair will continue to divulge what the U.S. government (and other governments) know about these bizarre craft, hear additional firsthand eyewitness accounts of UAP sightings from military and civilian personnel, and share additional fact-based insight and information about these craft in an effort to produce tangible evidence and build the most indisputable case for the existence and threat of UAP ever assembled.

    See it here:
    Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation Full Episodes, Video & More | HISTORY
     
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  2. pigfarmer

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    I'd find it refreshing if there was some UFO incident that didn't involve Bigelow, Puthoff, Davis, Knapp, DeLonge, et al.
    I'd love to have attended a Stanton Friedman lecture but never did. In the end, do you think he really did Ufology a service or not? He sure did - but the study of potentially extraterrestrial spacecraft operating in our environment and UFOology/entertainment are not the same thing.

    We're still going on about MJ12 and I am not sure why. Too many old things are being revived and batted around - including from people who are supposed to represent the dispassionate scientific study of these things. Please lets not bother Admiral Wilson anymore. Enough Bob Lazar. And maybe make Skinwalker Ranch a paranormal water park.
     
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  3. Standingstones

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    Stanton Friedman brought Roswell back to everyone’s attention. Unfortunately, he got himself locked into the nuts and bolts theory of Ufology and he wouldn’t consider any other ideas. Maybe now that he has passed away some other considerations might occur.
     
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  4. nivek

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  6. nivek

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    Too many of those 'personalities' drinking the kool-aid...:Whistle:

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  7. nivek

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  8. Standingstones

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    These days to be considered a “UFO expert” you only need to hang out your shingle or write a book that very few will read. I am not aware of any accredited schools or courses on the subject.
     
  9. wwkirk

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    But it's not just nowadays. There has never been a standard for what counts as a UFO expert. There have been a handful of scientists who researched UFOs, such as J. Allen Hynek and James E. McDonald, but for the most part, those recognized as ufologists have never had any relevant credentials over and beyond their interest in the subject.
     
  10. AlienView

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    Want disclosure? It has already happened:

    Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program

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    WASHINGTON — In the $600 billion annual Defense Department budgets, the $22 million spent on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was almost impossible to find.

    Which was how the Pentagon wanted it.

    For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials, interviews with program participants and records obtained by The New York Times. It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon’s C Ring, deep within the building’s maze.

    The Defense Department has never before acknowledged the existence of the program, which it says it shut down in 2012. But its backers say that, while the Pentagon ended funding for the effort at that time, the program remains in existence. For the past five years, they say, officials with the program have continued to investigate episodes brought to them by service members, while also carrying out their other Defense Department duties........"
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    Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program


    So there it is - 1. the government admits, yes, we were lying to you and are still collecting data
    and analyzinng the information and 2. No, we will not release what it all means because,
    A. we don't know OR B. It is classified 'eyes only' and we will never release it to the public.

    Apparenlty the only ones who really get to see the inside information have a very high security clearance.

    And that same military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo who ran the program is the main
    player in the documentary series I posted above "Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation" -

    which might make you wonder IF he has suddenly changed sides and is now trying to get
    the truth released ???

    Do you really think any sane government would disclose that there is apparently a species of
    being so advanced that their technology makes ours very primitive? - No you can't release that type of information to a public that is composed of many unbalanced people.

    Want more information? Apply for a job inside a government agency that requires a security
    clearance and if you get high enough clearance they 'may' tell you the truth ?!?!
     
  11. pigfarmer

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    Well, that's another thing to add to the list of questionable accomplishments.

    Charles Berlitz and Bill Moore did their part too - first, as far as I know. There are many who still go on about the Philadelphia Experiment as if it were real.
     
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  12. Dejan Corovic

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    yeah, Philadelphia Experiment most likely never happened, but the described effects might not be that unreal. If you follow @waitedavid137 GR equations threads, the whole idea is not anymore that far fetched.
     
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  13. pigfarmer

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    True, but neither is warp drive. The Enterprise had it as a plot conveyance, not to suggest the possibility to FTL to the masses.

    Berlitz and Moore wrote those books to sell popular books. I half remember an interview I heard about it with Moore, or maybe repeating something he said to the effect that Berlitz told him 'not to worry too much about truth as they'll believe anything'.
     
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  14. Standingstones

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    Whenever I see that some UFO program is going to talk about Roswell I tune out immediately. It has been over seventy years since this occurred. The subject had been beaten to death. When I hear that some talking head is bringing up Roswell I assume they are trying to make more money off of it. The same goes for the Rendlesham/Bentwaters incident. Give it a rest please.
     
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  15. pigfarmer

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    Didn't Stanton Friedman say he got a phone call when he was doing a radio interview that ultimately led him to investigate Roswell? I think so - could be mixing up my stories.

    But if that was the case, when @waitedavid137 gets his time machine functioning we should ask him to go back to the day Stanton got that call and give him a flat tire on his way to the studio. Then we can zoom back to the day Bennewitz call the Air Force - maybe give Richard Doty a flat on his way to work too so they send someone else. I wonder how much BS that would let out of all this.
     
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  16. Standingstones

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    I never heard the back story to Friedman first investigating Roswell. What I would like to see is someone reporting on crash retrieval of UFO craft. There have to be citizens who have seen downed craft. I read next to nothing about such stories.
     
  17. nivek

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    In regards to some people within the UFO/UAP circles, I have seen statements like this and similar ones spoken even as recent as yesterday:

    "I had someone I trust tell me I was close to the truth."

    or:

    "So I asked someone I trust and respect and asked them what they thought and they agreed with me."

    I'm assuming statements like this are used in conversations or at the end of a lecture or talk to validate an individual's own position or theory or ideal or conspiracy, whatever it may be, but does this really validate anything?...

    Sorry but no, to me this validates nothing, does not confirm anything, and does not prove a thing...This is ego stroking, mental exercises to feel like he or she is in the know and you are not...Perhaps the individual thinks that by saying such things that he or she are being kind and tossing you some breadcrumbs, a scenario like; 'you might get it if you keep following me down this rabbit hole'...Another thing this tells me is that the individual stating such words hasn't really done much proper research at all, sounds like an acceptance what other people 'they trust' tell them without validating for oneself...Sure, listen to people you trust, but you have to do the work yourself too if you really want to know and understand something...

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  18. Standingstones

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    In a similar vein, this gets me upset. When a so called UFO “expert” says that he or she was told inside secret information about UFOs or Aliens. These same people then state, sorry we can’t tell you anything. We were sworn to secrecy. It’s all bullshit as far as I am concerned. Many of these people also speak about disclosure. There won’t be any disclosure if you are sitting on the information. Richard Dolan is a good one for pulling this kind of nonsense.
     
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  19. Sheltie

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    Certainly The Philadelphia Experiment is a tragedy that should have been put to rest long ago. The story is based entirely on the eyewitness account of Carl Allen, a man known to suffer from mental issues. In bringing the story to light, Morris Jessup himself did little if any research into the alleged occurrence. His death, clearly a suicide, not a murder, was a sad and lonely ending for a tragic figure in many ways similar to Phil Schneider.
     
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  20. wwkirk

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    What about Forrestal?
     

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