The Whole of Time Is the Afterlife.

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  1. Shadowprophet

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    Of all the studies I've done, No other fascinates me As Time does.

    It has so many definitions to so many people, It literally has functioned as a different concept depending on how we refer to it. What is the Holocene Epoch? V.S Don't Be Late for Work, V.S It's High Time For Change. You could explain time to a child as the concept of what happened yesterday, as opposed to What will happen tomorrow.

    But to truly understand Time, You become aware of things like Space-time, Entropy/Halflife And Even Forces like Acceleration V/S Time Dilation Even Gravity imposes its will upon time, For that matter, So does every atom and subatomic particle in your body, but, Maybe we will speak about that Another time.

    It is my understanding that Time is the 4th dimension, And We, We are 3-dimensional beings, So, We can't fully experience the Whole dimension of Time itself, As such, We experience only a small portion in the linear progression as we age.

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    Here is where I want to get right to The point. If Time Is a "Whole" that experiences Dimensional space in ways that we simply can't, Then What Is it that separates Moments from other moments? We call this a horizon I suppose. But, To be More Blunt about my point here.

    We Would experience time In this Very limited way, But That's because of our dimensional limitations, None the less, The time Before you lost that loved one, It Exists, Right now, Alongside the rest of Time that we aren't able to experience, As would Tomorrow and Even next year. All of Time Exists as a fourth dimension.

    And we can only experience it in this very limited way. But, Because We Have a shared connection to Time, Do we not occupy The Exact Same time that our lost loved ones did? We are just in a different location than they. Am I correct on this Methodology?


    Are we Not, For lack of A Better Definition, Quantumly Connected to All of Time, And if we are, Wouldn't Time itself, Kind of be like an afterlife? Sure, We Stop and We Die, But in this Sense, As far as the Full Scope of time is concerned, 100 years ago is still there. It's forever part of the whole that is time. So in that sense, Does not Time preserve us for all eternity? Would this not be an afterlife of sorts?

    I just want some thoughts on this. No big deal.
     
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  2. pigfarmer

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    Depends on who you talk to about it and we can only relate our perceptions.

    I was once forced to endure a class about time management, the perception of time blah blah blah.
    How we view time has changed quite a bit in the past 100+ years for many uninteresting industrial reasons.

    Beam yourself back 15-20K years and assuming your universal translator is working you can join the folks around the camp fire and ask them about Time. I bet you'd find all sorts of concepts wrapped up in there and that our concept is pretty narrow. Tell them you're late to be somewhere and you'd probably get a funny look.

    Unless of course, there's a digital clock on the dashboard of the Atlantean hovercar they found and use to haul stuff around with .....
     
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    This part here, Recently, I was having a conversation with Tate about Language and Basic communication and how those concepts aren't entirely synonymous, We Spoke about Animals, And how we communicate with our Dogs and Debated a little on just how much our Beloved fur babies really understand. Tate believes that Animals like Say maybe Crowes Mostly Mimic human-like sounds they have overheard, While I fully Believe That A Beloved Highly intersocial Animal Like A Dog, May actually Understand certain words we speak to them. That Said, The Conversation Ultimately landed on Universal Concepts Like Tone and The conveyance of emotional Constructs that are universally understood.

    In any language, In any time period, If someone approaches you Yelling and screaming with an angry tone, Then they are Angry and to some degree, you know the message they are conveying is Urgent or imperative. While It would be difficult to convey incredibly deep concepts to a man from 25 thousand years ago without speaking their language. I do fully believe With The proper tones and emotions and inflictions to your Body language, one could still convey a great amount of information, Porrislby even coexists.

    It's really interesting that you brought this up. To be completely honest, Even 600 years ago, It would have been difficult to understand what people are saying to you, To be brutally honest, It would have been difficult to speak to a person from just 100 years ago, Because Language is a mix of colloquialism and slang that is very often region-specific.



    HEY. Let's all go to the Cinemax and put the squeeze on the Soda Jerk to see What's Popin.

    This Line here, Probably won't make any sense to a millennial. It barely makes sense to us. But to a man in 1937 Nebraska, It would be their Dialect.

    More importantly, The Context of the language is very important for conveying intricate concepts. But Very often people misunderstand just how much information is transferrable Via Tone and Body language.


    Here is the English Language,. Spoken Just about 1000 years ago.

    There isn't a word there a Modern English speaker could understand. Language Evolves so much over time. I think this is why Communication And Spoken language aren't always completely synonymous, One may not understand That That man From a thousand years ago is telling the story of Christmas.,

    but They also Can understand That He is not waging War or Challenging for territory. communication, I think, Is more than the spoken language, and those parts that aren't spoken can be universally understood even amongst animals it seems.

    So, Could we speak to a Caveman from seven hundred thousand years ago? In Very basic ways yes. I believe so.
     
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    Well, we're still human so language barriers could be overcome after - pardon the expression - some time. We share the same ecosystem as our pets and they have the same basic needs we do so there is a basis for understanding. My dog has a concept of Time although it's undoubtedly different than mine. She certainly knows when it's time to eat.

    I have to wonder about ET. You mentioned anger - we know what that looks like. We can tell when our pets are distressed and even an octopus that got bent over something would probably be recognizable to us. But what about a creature that comes from a totally different place, maybe not a Class M planet? Could be that secreting a chemical to say hello or as a warning might go unnoticed. Arrival portrayed that pretty well along with a foreign concept of time.

    And had Amy Adams in it, which is okeedokee by me.
     
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    Well, To a truly alien Being, There is no telling what their reaction to hostility or our range of emotions may be. To pop an alien on the nose in hostility could be a sign of., I don't know, Loyalty or even friendship or some kinship. I believe This may be why aliens never really landed and just took up residence alongside us, Because communication to some extent does depend upon a certain understanding of basic concepts that can be relayed to another who would or could understand those concepts.

    I believe it was Einstein who once Said, He believed in this Vast universe that There just had to be extraterrestrial life, But they may be so vastly different from us that communication may be completely impossible, This may be why our space brothers never really came down and Joined our society. I mean, What desire do We have to live with hippopotamuses? We may be incompatible with some truly unique alien species. I mean our mindsets are, We wake up, Eat breakfast, Do our dailies, Come home speak to our families, Wind down and sleep and get ready to repeat the grind.


    To a Truly Alien species, Their concepts may be so different from our own, that An alien may think, descending upon a Town or settlement killing everyone there, and using the bones of the dead to create geometric shapes would be akin to giving our species a gift.

    There is a reason people instinctively fear the unknown. Because We as a species have learned that Truly foreign invaders Have Foreign and alien motives, That we can not always comprehend.
     
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    Bootstrap programming. Survival.

    Lack of comprehension over motives, alien motives, might explain weird behavior like wobbling over roads, zapping people in isolated area, slurping water, all the stuff. Dunno. I'd like to think if they are smart enough to get here they would be smart enough to have little if any interaction with us for everyone's benefit.
     
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    Well, I Don't speak about this as much as I would like to, but, I would assume, That there would have to be a set of parameters. right? Like... If An alien Came here from somewhere else, Like, On what capacity did it arrive. What I mean is, Is it Highly intelligent? Is it Bipedal? Did it use technology to come here or Did it Hitch a ride on a comet? Is it Microscopic? Is it something infectious?

    Think of the human mind As a spectrum or a frequency. We have limitations, If something Is to Ridiculous or outlandish or Foreign, We can't understand it, Likewise, If something is Truly beyond our understanding, Like, What is Dark Energy Really? or, How Do Other dimensions Outside of our Height Width and Depth interact with the Three dimensions we can fully conceive. The mind is an amazing and mysterious thing in its cognition, Yet. we still can't Properly define what consciousness is. We simply don't understand What Consciousness really is or collectively how it gives us self awareness.

    The Truth is, Some things Will always be beyond human understanding, And the reason for this is, Our minds will forever be unable to comprehend these Truths. Here is an interesting article Form Lord Rees, one of Britain's top scientists about the human mind, It's limitations, and Why We as a species Will have long hit a brick wall in our Comprehension and understanding, Long before we have truly figured out the Truth of the cosmos. Limitations of the human brain mean we may never understand the secrets of the universe | Daily Mail Online It's an interesting read.

    So, Ultimately, We may never be able to Come to an arrangement with an extraterrestrial where we could "Meet" on Shared concepts, Which could be a lasting barrier that could prevent communication because of their Concepts, Their intentions, Maybe something so Advanced, That our minds simply couldn't process it in a capacity that we could comprehend. As insane as it is to imagine, The human mind is not limitless, At some point, We will encounter information that we will never be able to comprehend. We may have already done this with concepts like the eleventh dimension, A purely hypothetical dimension in which every possible outcome occurs simultaneously, Even the concept of that dimension existing and Not existing at the exact same time in multiple superposition states.



    Superposition, Now there is a Topic. I know not everyone is into Quantum physics But superposition is a very interesting concept. I think I may Touch on that one later on in another thread.
     
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    Could be we just failed to understand attempts at communication. And you’re right, maybe some thngs are beyond our grasp. Maybe another couple million years from now we will finally figure out stuff and things - if we’re still around
     
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    Literally the first thought I had lol.

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    When people think of the end, They are ironically always caught in the current times, Looking at all the things wrong with the world, Thinking, Things can only get worse from that point on. The Sun is 4.6 billion years old, The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Life has been on Earth for about 3.5 billion years. Making a side note that since that time, Life has consistently managed to flourish even in the spite of Mass extinction event's, Human-like life has been on the earth for about six million years. With modern humans only popping up around two hundred thousand years ago.

    Something could happen, Life as we know it Might end, But Life on earth isn't going to just stop, Even repeated mass extinction couldn't stomp it out.

    People believe the end to be so near Because we are programmed by instinct to be on high alert at all times to avoid danger so the Collective question in all human consciousness is, What if it all end's tomorrow.

    And it certainly could, For me and maybe you. Maybe even The entire human civilization. "Quotations on Civilization" Civilizations Collapse, It's happened, It will happen again. but History has proven, Life is hard to stamp out, We will adapt, And In a few thousand years This entirely new civilization would already have its own democracy.
     
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    that's your inner Cylon coming through
     
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    Thats not entirely so, its possible many people may believe the end is near because of the religious dogma and conditioning of their church and religious beliefs...Religions like Christianity have an end times built in to their belief systems and teaching so that's where many if not most of these end times notions likely come from these days...Those who are not religiously oriented look upon reality differently and will not necessarily think these days are the end times, even those who are very deeply spiritual like myself carry no such notions of these being end times...

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    You are entirely correct. I find myself often separating Science and Religion, Some people say it's possible to speak about Both subjects without them contradicting. But Truly Science says The earth is billions of years old and Religion suggests it's not over seven thousand years old. So, I've always had this all-in approach, When I speak about religion, I will focus on its pertinent topics, And when I speak about science you Usually won't see much religion in it. It's always been difficult for me to Merge the two topics and come up with something that works. Science and Religion at their core are Different concepts. One Is Asymbeled with empirical evidence, While the other is faith-based. It's difficult to compare the two even in normal debate. But, It's impossible to speak about Empirical science and then introduce religion.

    At least, I haven't found a way brother.
     
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    What's strange is, the longer I am alive and practicing Christianity the less I believe in "end times", at least as it is commonly understood. Or, to put it another way, the real end time is your own death. We are all racing towards it, no question about it. And, I fear it less and less as it draws nearer!
     
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    Yup. I work with a lovely woman who thinks that The Rapture may happen between now and Xmas. She likes to sing quietly about it. As in 'I'm saved and you're all doomed' so sorry.

    No, that doesn't seem nuts. Nope. Not at all.

    Couldn't tell you what flavor of church she gets that from but I suspect if you're looking for a manifestation of the imaginary then Santa Claus is going to win that one. Cool stuff is left under the tree - proof of his existence!
     
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    The so-called Rapture is a fiction invented in the nineteenth century. You really have to get creative to make it appear in the Bible.
     
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    From my perspective everything 'flows' or 'moves' in time as a spiral, each corkscrewing it's way through time with certain points of close intersection possibly giving the notions of dejavu...

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    I usually won't speak about far fetched Fringe ideas I have regarding science.

    Wait, That's all I ever do lol

    I've considered that since our minds do function off of energy and we can't fully understand consciousness itself that our consciousness, May be subject to dimensional stress that our bodies do not experience.

    There is a theory called dual consciousness, Dual consciousness - Wikipedia That basically postulates that Most of our actual cognition and awareness, occurs somewhere else, independent of what we can physically observe of our brains. I have wondered if there may even be something, extra-dimensional about our consciousness and therefore, sometimes we gain access to incredible insight, Possibly even insight to information that isn't bound to the same rules of time that our physical bodies would be.
     
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    That's what Eben Alexander concluded after his near-death experience, consciousness exists independently from the brain.
     
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    He's not alone. It's the 'brain as a receiver' notion, which is interesting. That could explain all sorts of things if you want to speculate. Which we do. Remote viewing, past life memory, mediumship.

    I prefer that to some sort of oogly-looking mojo inside me that is my consciousness. What happens to it when you die? Does it dissipate and contribute to global warming? One last sonorous fart? That all sounds a bit vague and that one day maybe you'd get a look at it on some sort of routine medical scan.

    A physical manifestation of consciousness is sort of like a ghost isn't it? Except rather than inhabiting an ugly bag of mostly water for several decades you wind up rattling stuff around in your old attic and bothering people. And could probably still submit a mail-in ballot, but I digress. My bad.

    A katra makes for a good plot device but if it turns out our brains are the beginning and the end of it all I might just have to start making lists, ekeing out my manifesto, that sort of thing.
     
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    I saw a monkey playing a small harp once.
    He was keeping time.
    BUT do animals sit around and debate the meaning time,or worry about what time it is.?
    Probably not.

    Man creates some very complex sounds... language, songs- From orchestral music all the way up to tribal heavy metal., and I think it might help us to communicate what is inside. - In other words, Man plays music so others can feel what is felt.

    But where does music come from? Yes the brain and body and knowledge of theory help, but true music or poetry happens as the consciousness expresses itself, beyond what the brain can do through timing and musical mechanics.

    Since man also must ask questions about things greater than himself, perhaps the questions and answers are not as important as the feelings behind our thoughts.?

    Maybe debate and questions are just another way to help us explore what we FEEL is true?

    Being conscious of time is one thing, but letting your consciousness engage in xpression gives true definition to the boundary between animal and man.

    Oh my... look at the time. I must go to bed now.

    I think I shall sing myself to sleep.
     
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