The World of Sovereign Citizens

Discussion in 'End Times & Conspiracies' started by The shadow, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. The shadow

    The shadow The shadow knows!

    I begin by asking what is a Sovereign Citizen?
    (from Wikipedia)

    The sovereign citizen movement is a loose grouping of American and Commonwealth litigants, commentators, tax protesters, and financial-scheme promoters. Self-described "sovereign citizens" see themselves as answerable only to their particular interpretation of the common law and as not subject to any government statutes or proceedings.[1] In the United States they do not recognize United States currency and maintain that they are "free of any legal constraints".[2][3][4] They especially reject most forms of taxation as illegitimate.[5] Participants in the movement argue this concept in opposition to the idea of "federal citizens", who, they say, have unknowingly forfeited their rights by accepting some aspect of federal law.[6] The doctrines of the movement resemble those of the freemen on the land movement more commonly found in the Commonwealth, such as in Britain and in Canada.[7][8][9][10]

    Many members of the sovereign citizen movement believe that the United States government is illegitimate.[11] JJ MacNab, who writes for Forbes about anti-government extremism, has described the sovereign-citizen movement as consisting of individuals who believe that the county sheriff is the most powerful law-enforcement officer in the country, with authority superior to that of any federal agent, elected official, or local law-enforcement official.[12] This belief can be traced back to white-extremist groups like Posse Comitatus and the constitutional militia movement.[13]

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies some sovereign citizens ("sovereign citizen extremists") as domestic terrorists.[14] In 2010 the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) estimated that approximately 100,000 Americans were "hard-core sovereign believers", with another 200,000 "just starting out by testing sovereign techniques for resisting everything from speeding tickets to drug charges".[15]

    In surveys conducted in 2014 and 2015, representatives of US law enforcement ranked the risk of terrorism from the sovereign-citizen movement higher than the risk from any other group, including Islamic extremism, militias, racists, and Neo-Nazis.[16][17] The New South Wales Police Force in Australia has also identified sovereign citizens as a potential terrorist threat

    These two clips show the mind set of a Sovereign.

    note what happens when he declares "I will not stand."
    next up when does driving a car become a problem?
    what is the difference between Driving and traveling ?
    And does the 4th and 5th amendment allow you to drive without a license? This is answered later as I explore the world of sovereign citizen's and "Moorish American nationals."
  2. spacecase0

    spacecase0 earth human

    the more the government squeezes the ability for people to make a life, the more people are going to try and avoid government.
  3. erickson

    erickson Honorable

    Speaking of sovereign citizens, do you remember when Sean David Morton -"America's Prophet" - billed himself as a common law attorney and constitutional law scholar promoting various things as part of the sovereign citizen theory. It did not work out too well for him and Sean was found guilty of federal charges relating to one of the tax schemes.

    Sean apparently forgets this. In a self-styled "motion for summary disposition" to the court of appeal, he writes that "a speaker on UFO and prophecy research like myself is not the same as an alleged sovereign citizen who speaks on financial law." (Motion Affidavit.) If he cannot remember the past, I am not sure how he could foretell the future.

    Sean goes on to claim that he is a victim of the Obama Department of Justice and the IRS.

    This is not to say that Sean has abandoned the idea of a sovereign citizen. He signs his filing with the notation that all rights are reserved. That is a new one on me.
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  4. Standingstones

    Standingstones See you in heaven, if you make the list.

    Morton forgot Rule No. 1 : A person who represents himself in court has a fool for a client.
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    SOUL-DRIFTER Life Long Researcher

    Well I assume then that they would never vote for a democrats or socialists.
    They are mostly ALL for big government. But I certainly wouldn't want any of those guys running the country either.
    There are Kooks in every country....
  6. The shadow

    The shadow The shadow knows!

    true story. I need to do the whole traveling not driving thing. its bizarre
  7. erickson

    erickson Honorable

    Which reminds me of one of my first introductions to the movement, longer ago than I need to admit. My partner and I were living in a rural area. I needed to go to court to get the judge to dismiss a vehicle citation, and it just so happened that a local "common law barrister" was there to argue his mother's traffic ticket - which she had gotten for driving past a "road closed" sign.

    He argued that a sign was not a direction. Since they had rescinded their contract with the state, the government had no authority to prosecute them. Traveling rather than driving had something to do with it. There were several lawyers in town who had come just to watch.

    They were an interesting family. They would not pay their property taxes with federal reserve notes, talked about what it meant to be a "free white citizen" which somehow had nothing to do with race, and emphasized how you could rescind various state contracts. Every once in a while the son would give some federal reserve notes to the peace/justice group that I worked with in the area.

    That day in court did not work out for the mother but I sometimes think of them when I see a sign about how a road is closed.
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  8. erickson

    erickson Honorable

    The other person that I find somewhat interesting (if that is the correct word) is Anna Maria Riezinger ("Judge Anna von Reitz"), the so-called common law judge who gained attention when she issued an order calling on the US Marshal to arrest Obama.

    This article provides a good introduction to both her and sovereign citizens, answering why sovereign white citizens find that designation important.

    Interview with a sovereign: Judge Anna’s world

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