Things within Themselves

Discussion in 'Perceptions & Experiences' started by nivek, Aug 4, 2017.

  1. Merle

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    I would think that to some degree, all knowledge (accumulated through facts, information, experience, education, aquiring skills etc) was subjective in that it would be tainted, even if subtly, by one's own tastes, personal feelings and opinions.
     
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  2. Merle

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    To my understanding, the Universe is a vast with a vast age where man has only ever occupied a very small amount of time and space and could possibly be as miniscule and as noticeable as a bit of dust floating in the air.

    That sort of absoluteness of attitude, 'it's an absolute impossibility to study the universe without also studying man' seems to be just another way humans are elitist, as if man is higher up than others in some sort of an imaginary pecking order.
     
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  3. nivek

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    These tastes, feelings, opinions could certainly be filters limiting one's 'sight', or better yet cause indigestion...Objectivity would appear to be a prerequisite to understanding knowledge....
     
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  4. Merle

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    But is it humanly possible to disconnect yourself totally from your life experiences, feelings, opinions, prejudices, etc, anything that might influence you?

    How would you be able to tell?
     
  5. nivek

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    Perhaps for some people a few of those things within have had a voice for so long they don't know how to be quiet lol...An indication can be that it sometimes 'hurts' when that happens, the painfulness of silence...

    It can be very useful to split one's awareness, observing the outer stuff going on around including oneself and observing the inner activities going on, a thing observing things within themselves...That thing doing the observing isn't just a thing within though, it is something more but just doesn't know it yet and cannot know this unless it learns to observe itself objectively and understand knowledge objectively...
     
  6. Merle

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    Humans, being mortal as well as cognitively fallible and finite: would that alone not influence your observations? How would you know that by splitting your awareness you are then capable of observing objectively?

    Taking the above into account, would we not all use different senses to view 'objectivity'? For example, a person who is deaf and blind possibly sees and senses the world differently to a person with sight and hearing or differently again to another deaf and blind person. A person who is blind but not deaf would also more than likely see the world differently to a person who is both deaf and blind.

    A snake and other animals can see in infra red and would thus see and observe things humans don't. Thus, as humans, our perspectiveness would be marred to some degree because we simply would not see as the snake does? Would that not imply that our awareness, our abilty to perceive objectively would be limited by our senses in that we would already be biased as we didn't consider everything?

    'A thing observing things within themselves' has no guarantee that the observations or that the thing is objective...

    Again, no guarantee that the observations or that the thing is objective.

    Having to learn to observe itself objectively is just another subjective opinion is it not...
     
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  7. cosmic joke

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    indeed. 'self observation' is simply a tool, useful only in a group setting and only after years of guided practice may yield the desired result, that being a more accurate view of all the nonsense that make up that precious view we proudly have come to believe is I and me and myself. practicing 'by oneself' most certainly is no more than subjective musings. more a 'playing' than a 'working'. if anything it would strengthen the weaknesses, but in the subtle guise of real inner movement/accomplishment. two edged sword for sure. true or false? which self (I) will answer. oh no! it's that one. :D
     
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  8. nivek

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    There is a substantial difference between an object and its idea, if the objective reality is to be observed, it is not on account of vision or touch and not because of imagination although it may seem to be so…If ideas are to be taken as modes of thought, higher functions of the mind must be observed impartially to rule out any deviation or affirmation…

    Consequently some may say, “I cannot myself be the cause of it”, on the contrary, a clear and distinct idea can contain within it a key to an objective reality that others would simply call an intuition of the mind and nothing more…There are many branches of knowledge, but fewer of understanding, even fewer of wisdom…
     
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  9. nivek

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    Naming and labeling things can limit and block the greater knowledge that the thing may represent...
     
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  10. ImmortalLegend527

    ImmortalLegend527 The Messenger Of All Gods old and new

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    iNN ALL HONSTY I just came out the rabbits hole adn iim dizzy as hell iand i really dont know what in your gods life your talking about.

    But i well twell you 2 crazy stories that relates to this>>>>

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    So here I am minding my own business when walking at night with 2 other people. All of the sudden 3 cars with 14 Spanish dudes jump out the car. One pulls a gun out.

    Greatest never before secret ever told about 'the sims upload' or whatever it was that happened that day was copy written by iml527.

    When the guy pulled the gun out.....i swear to your gods and the mother of all mothers on this event copy written by iml527.100%facts.

    So this guy reaches under the passenger front seat and pulls a gun out... OUT OF NOWHERE EVERYTHING JUST GOT SUPER SUPER SLOW...AS IF SECONDS MINUTES OR ANYTHING DEALING WITH TIME JUST DIDNT EXISTS.

    AND THIS VOICE APPEARED AND SAID

    :blessing: The gun will jam run in front of the car and run the opposite way

    :movie:AND SO I DID NOT LOOKING BACK RIGHT!
    I run all the way down the street with one of the dudes that i was with and the other dude went another way.
    Me and the other dude came to a light and i had grabbed his hand and we were about to run between 2 cars to cross the street.

    :blessing: Stop, look to your left

    :movie: I stopped and as soon as i looked to my left the car just passed me and the dude and tried to run us over at full speed,the are then put on brakes and hit reverse and tried to run us over in reverse. So we ran into a Mcdonalds and ran in the back.

    This...is the most fascinating moment to me. So I'm running in this McDonald's full speed being chased by what was later revealed some ms13 dude from California. So I'm running going down these stairs.....and when I say I SLIPPED, I mean...when I slipped...when I slipped on that grease at those stairs. my feet were above my head going down a flight of stairs. When I say that my feet were over my head I swear I was high in the air.

    when the guy first pulled the gun out the slow thing happened and a womans voice came.

    the car trying to run me over no slow motion just the voice.

    When I went in the air, it was like I was an astronaut, gravity and time just was not on the same page that day.I'm in the air watching my feet in super slow motion and this woman's voice said.

    :blessing: extend your left arm this way and extend your right arm and keep your back up.

    :movie: I extended my arms and I caught the poles on each side and because I was going to literally land on my neck or the tip, of the top of my head when I kept my back up. When this happened I was literally in the air from the first step to about the 7th step going down.

    I have told this story a couple of time in my life but i never told them about the woman's voice. They all told me thats what happens when you catch an adrenaline rush.

    One day i was counting money at a bus stop. A guy was walking with his little brother home from somewhere or child. The guy pulled a gun on me and chased me across the street, I tried to open a door to a building and it was locked. The dude had a revolver and as I turned around as he unloaded on me.. I said, Mama, AS I CLOSED MY EYES AND PUT MY HANDS UP and A voice came and said something but couldn't hear what it said.

    I opened my eyes and the dude was just looking at his gun looking at me and the people was looking at us, then the glass broke around the door and he ran across the street and grabbed whomever he was.

    An appearance of an appearance.
    An essence of an essence.
    A shadow of a shadow.

    Something unique yet universal at the same time

    That event was very universal and unique an appearance cam between the essense of time ande life just like a shadow always with.
     
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  11. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    A double-edged sword is still a single sword, the only real 'I' for that sword...
     

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