To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

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  1. nivek

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    Here is Steve Bassett's response to that pathetic write up by Kloor...

    The Empire Strikes Back?

    The Media Loves this UFO Expert Who Says He Worked for an Obscure Pentagon Program. Did He?
    The Intercept
    June 1, 2019, 4:00 a.m.

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    Initial Response
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    The Intercept is a respected independent investigative journalist organization. It was launched in February 2014 as the first project of First Look Media, a news organization created and funded by billionaire and eBay founder Pierre Omidyar.
    It has published many powerful articles challenging status quo journalism in America. I have great respect for two of its founding members – Pulitzer Prize awardees Laura Poitras and Glenn Greenwald.
    Over the past three years I have presented considerable material to the Intercept regarding the Disclosure process and the extraterrestrial issue. What they choose to print is of course their business and they chose not to engage this subject – until today.
    One of the Intercept investigative reporters, Keith Kloor, today published to the Intercept website this article: THE MEDIA LOVES THIS UFO EXPERT WHO SAYS HE WORKED FOR AN OBSCURE PENTAGON PROGRAM. DID HE?
    It is the most egregious hit piece directed at the extraterrestrial presence issue and Disclosure I have ever read in 22 years. It measures up to some of the worst such articles written by Phil Klass, the most vicious debunker on record. Stanton Friedman presented a cogent case that Klass was in the direct employ of the CIA during his disgraceful career.
    In this instance the hit is aimed at the To The Stars Academy efforts and Luis Elizondo personally.
    As it happens, while I or PRG are not mentioned in this article, I have had some lengthy interviews with Keith Kloor, much of which addressed relevant subject matter. I have full audio copies of those interviews – made with Kloor’s permission, and I will review them to help me assess why he elected to write this article.
    I invite every top research in the field – particularly those with connections to government and military sources – to vigorously parse every aspect of this article and publish their assessment.
    It is quite possible this is the first open pushback against the ongoing disclosures coming from the To the Stars Academy. While the TTS/AAS clearly has support within the military/intelligence complex, there are many insiders who strongly oppose this truth process.
    This is not the 20th Century when journalists had a “license to kill” – to attack anyone or any aspect of the ET issue, a license provided to them by the U.S Government which assured all there was no there there and those who went there were fools or idiots.
    Stanton Friedman often said: “The age of the apologist ufologist is over.” We now have the resources and the collective power to respond to this kind of journalism.
    As for me, I intend to publicly rip this article to pieces and deliver those pieces to the Intercept, which can decide whether this a fine piece of journalism or permanent black mark on its reputation.
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    Stephen Bassett
    Indian Wells, CA
    June 1, 2019


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  2. nivek

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    There's also this...

     
  3. nivek

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    And this...

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  4. pigfarmer

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  5. pigfarmer

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    I don't doubt anything the military eyewitnesses or equipment operators have said. I also don't doubt the existence of a specialized program under some acronym du jour. I also don't doubt that Elizondo ran it and that something similar to it is currently in place.

    What I am wondering about is the nature of the program, what resources it brought to bear and what it's actual mandate was. There's a bit of a credibility gap between we've seen publicly about a contract for various white papers and what Elizondo has said about it being 'all about UFOs' . So, was this like Blue Book - did he have field investigators, some means of collecting reports, access to labs to study ... what ? The $$ spent n the program adds up to a fairly small affair like Blue Book. Yes a lot of it could be hidden but I'm not one to buy a pig in a poke.

    We need one of our forum's spiritual communicators to dial up Edward Ruppelt for an opinion. I'd also be curious what John B Alexander might have to say about this if anyone knows. I bet neither of those two men would be impressed by mylar balloons or optical fakery (once someone explained CGI to Capt. Ruppelt, that is). I would point out that when Alexander rendered his opinions in UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities there were those who considered him a government disinformation agent. Chris O'Brien on the Paracast being one if I'm not mistaken.

    It isn't necessarily the message, Christ I've been there waiting for it for a long time. Prepare the choir for a sermon.
    It's the method that's creating doubt. I smell commercialism all over it and suspect that allowing our hopes and imaginations to fill in some of the blanks is part of the formula. I don't think this intended to change anyone's mind, it's intended to make a splash and it did. On the History Channel sandwiched in with an Ancient Aliens marathon. The king might not be naked but when I look I don't see the flowing robes.

    You may have to hold your nose when dealing with some of the personalities involved but if this thing is as ironclad as claimed it should be able to easily shrug off skeptical questions.
     
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  6. nivek

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    Ironic isn't it...

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  7. Spaceman spiff

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    Whoa, pretty intresting if true.
     
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    I'm sure it's absolutely true. He can't say one way or the other, period.

    Being the object of media attention, as a podcast guest, what have you - doesn't seem to be a burden to Dr.Davis. He's well aware of how statements like that will be interpreted.
     
  10. wwkirk

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    It seems that the slander has been removed...Or at least I don't see it.
     
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  12. nivek

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    Asking tough questions is one thing and needed, we saw little of that in Kloor's write up, mainly biased assumptions and personal attacks...IMO

     
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  13. nivek

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    A comment in regards to that...

     
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    From Facebook:
    George Knapp This morning, Dr. Puthoff gave me the green light show that his name is also listed on the 2009 letter from Sen. Reid to DOD. 14 people were on the list. Puthoff and Elizondo are two of them, and I will release more as soon as i can the fully unredacted original. ( I do not keep ultra sensitive materials like that letter at my home or in my office.) The letter shows that in 2009--eight years before TTSA was created---Elizondo was interacting with Reid, Puthoff, DOD officials, and DOD contractors about the AATIP program.
     
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    Has anyone noticed that many people in the UFO community have an obsessive need to be paranoid and negative about various UFO researchers and groups?

    In some cases, it's justified, but it's not so great to become jaded.
     
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  17. nivek

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    Some more interesting bits...

     
  18. nivek

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    If anyone cares, Gene Steinberg has taken Keith Kloor's write up to heart, such "a fascinating read" he states in his newsletter, right up there with the New York Times he says lol...

    Your Paracast Newsletter — June 2, 2019

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  19. Double Nought Spy

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    Oh for fuck's sake! Full of shit as usual.
     
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  20. pigfarmer

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    I have been wondering about Luis Elizondo and after the story broke in Dec 2017 I found a Wiki bio on him - as I remember complete with him in his US Army uniform - that said his degree and military background involved microbiology and infectious diseases. Maybe even a biological weapons expert. Something along those lines. Found it right away on the first page of search results.

    At the time I wondered what made him qualified to examine aerial threats. Now I find something different and less clear. Luis Elizondo - Wikipedia

    I have been looking to see if I can find a source other than his TTSA bio, and maybe one worthy of using as a reference. Just curious. Wasn't so simple as it was months ago for whatever reason.

    Here are 4 things you should know about the Pentagon’s secret UFO investigation program | Fighter Sweep

    Luis Elizondo: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

    Not a huge Brian Dunning fan but did enjoy Skeptoid for some time and will at least listen to what he has to say.

    The Pentagon's UFO Hunt

    He's projecting the Special Forces image pretty heavily. He appears to be a DoD contractor of some kind and has been an intelligence officer for some time. I certainly wouldn't want to have to sit across a table from him when I had information he wanted.

    So I'm just wondering who this guy is and why his public bio has changed. Fair questions. In this arena since when has it been a good idea to actually trust someone who says 'trust me' ?
     
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