To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. wwkirk

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    Rogoway was recently interviewed on The Black Vault Podcast.
     
  2. nivek

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    Have you listened to this one?...

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  3. wwkirk

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    Yes. He's open minded about UFOs, but suspects the 2004 incident involved terrestrial technology.
    He also comments on Elizondo.
    It's worth a listen.
     
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  4. Dean

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  5. CasualBystander

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    I'll meet your impertinence and raise you.


    New Property of Light Discovered - Slashdot
    https://phys.org/news/2019-06-property.html
    The experiments involved firing two lasers at a cloud of argon gas—doing so forced the beams to overlap, and they joined and were emitted as a single beam from the other side of the argon cloud. The result was a type of vortex beam. The researchers then wondered what would happen if the lasers had different orbital angular momentum and if they were slightly out of sync. This resulted in a beam that looked like a corkscrew with a gradually changing twist. And when the beam struck a flat surface, it looked like a crescent moon. The researchers noted that looked at another way, a single photon at the front of the beam was orbiting around its center more slowly than a photon at the back of the beam. The researchers promptly dubbed the new property self-torque—and not only is it a newly discovered property of light, it is also one that has never even been predicted.


    Spin angular momentum of light - Wikipedia

    It has long been known that light can have an angular momentum.

    For all practical purposes it is ignored, wavelength or frequency (300/wavelength using Hz and meters) is the only property usually referenced.

    A polarizing filter will randomly remove light with a nonzero angular momentum (varying polarization).

    Light striking a flat surface tends to reflect with a single polarization (that's what polarized sun glasses bet on).

    This article claims that what they call "self torque" (interacting angular momentum) was not predicted.

    On further reading light has a light spin angular momentum (SAM) and light orbital angular momentum (OAM). The first is the polarization and the second is associated with the shape of the wavefront.

    I suspect the article is about OAM given that they mention orbital angular momentum.
     
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  6. nivek

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    What do you think of Mike West's conclusions about the Gimbal video?...

     
  7. Spaceman spiff

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    Well if hes right about his theories, we have dozens of incompetent expert pilots who apparently cant tell a jet or a balloon/bird from high moving anomalous craft. Id call that very worrysome for the US navy. And these people are also briefing the congress.

    And not only that, apparently some analysts at the government are also grossly incompetent in their jobs, if an armchair debunker can solve this based on some short videos and no context, but they cant with all the material they have at their possession.

    I find it unlikely.
     
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  8. Spaceman spiff

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    Theres of course always the possibility that these videos dont actually show what weve been led to believe, and someones deceiving us here for whatever reason.

    If Elizondo for instance obtained some videos that have been proven mundane objects in the government and tried to pass them off as something else, there will be hell to pay. But then so many people would have to be in on this, Mellon, Justice, Fravor.... it boggles the mind. Besides the government could come out at any moment and say hes a liar and the videos he shows around the media are mundane things, yet they havent.

    Conspiracies...
     
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  9. CasualBystander

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    The object looks like a hockey puck in TV mode.

    It isn't a bird or balloon, the jet was going about 300 MPH and not closing with the object.

    His IR theories don't explain TV mode.
     
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  10. Double Nought Spy

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    This sort of explaining away with loopy, even absurd "solutions" is nothing new. Everyone but the genius explainer is incompetent. Or drunk. Or is somehow seen to be making a buck off the events. Or whatever. Childish and arrogant BS is common as the flies it attracts.
     
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  11. Spaceman spiff

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    Btw ive noticed that some "skeptics" ive seen on the internet tend to despise conspiracy theories and love to debunk them, but theyre not above of using one of their own when it supports their narrative and worldview. Hypocritical much?
     
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  12. nivek

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    I ran into one such individual who told me my head was in the sand when I disagreed with his narrative and by disagreeing with him he wrongfully assumed I supported the opposing narrative, which appears to be a common line of thinking for these types...They wrongfully assume that if you don't agree with them you must be supporting the opposing side yet all the while claiming to be free independent thinkers...:Whistle:

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  13. CasualBystander

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    There is a tendency to focus on one issue as a "gotcha" that proves all theories but theirs are impossible.

    In the real world, an expected occurrence generates information that is not uniform.

    There is too much information in some areas (some of which is in conflict) and not enough or none in other areas.

    So you look at something, like a UFO sighting and go "given this fact base, what is the most likely thing to have happened".

    In engineering school we would have test problems where there was too much information and you could solve the problem multiple ways and get different answers.

    That is the way life is. You get information, and it has an error range, and you don't get a right answer but a "closest to correct given known information".

    There are some things I don't dismiss out-of-hand because the alternate explanations have more holes than assuming it is something we don't understand.
     
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  14. nivek

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    Just leaving this here, a bit of humour lol...

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    abstaining from any comment in metabunk's conclusions until other people analyse it
     
  16. nivek

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    I just saw this on twitter, does anyone have any more information on this?...

     
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  19. CasualBystander

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    Well... the fact that someone has filed an antigrav patent that appeals to a known physical effect makes me suspicious it is being worked on.
     
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  20. nivek

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    Tom DeLonge posted a thread of tweets and suddenly deleted them all...

    These:

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