To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    I agree that TTSA needs to prove themselves more, there are many unanswered questions that are important, or else it appears they are being deceptive or pushing a narrative...Unanswered questions doesn't imply something deceptive is going on, but if those questions don't get answered soon, the silence from TTSA can be both deafening and speak volumes, especially when they are peddling for more investment money, that is what disturbs me the most...They are currently asking for more money but not even putting out anything substantial to encourage investing in them, 'we cannot show you anything but give us money', doesn't fly with me...

    Greenewald, however, may be helping in some regard but he is also pushing his own narrative in my opinion, it seems obvious to me...I think you know Mick West, many do not like him because of his level of skepticism but he is open and honest in his approach and JG bashes him, according to Greenewald he is right about everything and everyone else is wrong, red flag for me, a sure sign of him having his own agenda and pushing his own narrative instead of simply seeking the facts...I would like to be shown I am wrong with that view of him, if I am I do apologize, but currently that's the way I see it with his campaign...I do also see he's being a little more mature and polite to people lately, that's a good thing, he's alienated so many lately...

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  2. Spaceman spiff

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    Yes. I still feel that even if this group has a "disclosure" "confirmation" "making ufos mainstream" whatever as their ultimate goal, the narrative and plan they have spun around themselves is not entirely truthful or philantropic. And if so and if it gets exposed, it will hurt them and us.
     
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  3. nivek

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    Wouldn't Congressional committees and/or other officials check out Elizondo to be sure he is who he says he is?...What about others including journalists who spoke to officials within the Pentagon that knew of the AATIP and Elizondo, wouldn't they have also checked into this?...It just seems unlikely that Elizondo is the liar and deceiver that Greenewald blatantly claims...

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  4. Standingstones

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    According to Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood, Elizondo had no responsibilities concerning the AATIP program. Perhaps Elizondo fudged his credentials somewhat. It bears looking into closer.
     
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  5. nivek

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    Hasn't denial been a part of the norm for the Pentagon for over 70 years?...

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  6. Standingstones

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    To be sure. Someone should be able to check out who is lying.
     
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  7. nivek

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    Well nothing is clear yet to jump to any real conclusion, including claiming some false narrative that some like JG are beating their drums about, no one has enough data nor information to made a definitive judgement...Its all, possibilities, or for some, suspicion, and innuendo at this point until more data and facts come to light...

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  8. pigfarmer

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    He didn't say that for NO reason. Maybe he's splitting hairs over dates or program names but it seems Lou and his Blue Gloves should have made an effort to clear that up
     
  9. Spaceman spiff

    Spaceman spiff Honorable

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    In lot of the FOIAd mails and statements, UFO or UAP arent even mentioned, but UAS, UAV, balloons and drones are...

    Kinda curious. New cover names for the phenomenon or something else entirely? Elizondo used such terms in connection to the three videos for example.

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  10. pigfarmer

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    I really don't have a problem believing that a program to catalog incidents involving DoD assets existed, or still exists.
    In fact I'd be a little surprised that one didn't. It's one of those things you just sort of assume they have and maybe later are surprised to find out that no, they weren't all that coordinated.

    Maybe Elizondo really ran AATIP and his resignation letter is perfectly genuine. In general I don't implicitly trust anyone who is telling me what I want to hear while at the same time being vague about a number of other details.

    What I suspect, just a seat of the pants feeling, is that Elizondo is being less than perfectly genuine and that he's using his own background to amp up the UFO angle so they could garner enough attention to ultimately bring forth Unexplained and other content to light. Not as a public service but for their own benefit. That is the ONE thing they've managed to accomplish that we can point to.

    Senate hearings and changes to Navy reporting policy are very interesting but that seems more a side effect of the media attention.
     
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  11. pigfarmer

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    Got a link to any of that? I'd like to check it but can only tolerate so much DE
     
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  12. nivek

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    Hasn't UAV been used for some time now?...Seems I've been hearing that spoken or written for a few years, I don't know, maybe not lol...

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  13. pigfarmer

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    Call it what you want. Maybe that's where some of the hair splitting is coming from. The military is very on about their acronyms.

    UFO was the euphemism that replaced 'flying saucer' . UAP and AAV and LMNOP (and sometimes Y) just don't have the pizzazz that UFO does. You blurt that out and people know just what you're talking about.

    Should I see one again in public or, God help me, are ever given the opportunity to address someone Very Serious about the topic I think I'll refer to them as 'Venusian rocketships'
     
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  14. nivek

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    The last bit he says, 'invest now' in caps, well Tom, show me some lab reports on this material and I will seriously consider to invest...



     
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  15. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Unapologetic Rationalist & Grand Inquisitor

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    Damn...whoever's advising them on marketing needs to be fired immediately because they're totally tone deaf to the cultural climate today.

    Like you said nivek - people will help them out if they provide empirical evidence first....like the ADAM Project results that we've been waiting for all year. Hardly anyone is going to invest in a promise of future results. With all the scams of the past and the horrid economic inequality these days, nowadays trust has to be earned before it can be returned.

    This should be obvious. Smh.
     
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  16. Double Nought Spy

    Double Nought Spy Easily Amused

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    Yep, that there is a nice picture of a lump of... matter. Sure makes me want to send money. How about $5?
     
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  17. nivek

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    Some people have said that DeLonge is blocking some on twitter that question him on empirical evidence...Maybe they're being rude about it or grilling him too hard, I don't know...I do know there's a bunch of block happy people on UFO twitter, ask the wrong question for or against TTSA and it causes a shit storm and blockings lol...

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  18. Standingstones

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    Dark Matters Radio on KGRA Radio the 8/17/19 Open Lines episode in the archives, around the 15:00 mark Ecker tells of his suspicions (weak at that) about Luis Elizondo.
     
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  19. nivek

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    Some following TTSA called those tweets from DeLonge a 'big announcement' like it was something substantial, but it was nothing of the kind, I see it as more let down...

    Let's see a lab report and go from there...

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  20. pigfarmer

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    Just (mostly) finished another podcast.
    Episode #40 Black Vault Radio – Three “AATIP UFO” Videos & Luis Elizondo Emails August 31, 2019

    The Black Vault Radio - Show Notes & Episode Breakdowns


    My problem was that I listened to this in several segments while I was doing other things and probably didn't catch all the details. JG is irritating, honestly and I bet he can be a real dick. The thing is though, I think he probably has the right of it.

    So he's been having a pissing contest with Alejandro Rojas. Don't care. Nobody wants to st down and clear the air with him. Nobody wants to have a beer summit to cool tensions. Those don't work anyway - remember?

    Really had to take several long steps back for a broad view. Easy to get lost in the weeds with all the detail. The reason I give JG credence is that he has been a known quantity for some time and has done quite a lot of interesting FOIA work. He sounds quite credible when he starts talking about how requests work, classifications, etc. and these details are important as the entire AATIP narrative has been something less than perfectly clear. He's pointing out various details that need to be addressed and I think they are being side stepped.

    You're either in one camp or the other and one podcast isn't going to change any minds. This only reinforced my suspicion that TTSA has been founded on a false pretense and that what we're seeing is Elizondo's retirement gig. Beware people who are attractive because they tell you what you want to hear.

    Didn't any of us learn this basic lesson when we were kids?
    Lost in Space Episode 44: The Golden Man
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