I've said several times that I believe the pilots. I don't believe Luis Elizondo and I don't believe TTSA.
But Luis Elizondo and TTSA brought us the testimony of the pilots and the radar operators - which is imo among the best testimony we've ever heard in this field. So taking swipes at them while embracing the military officers they brought to us seems, I dunno, perhaps a bit ungrateful.
All we have to show for our patience is that nonsense History Channel offering; they took the money and that's what they did with it. Regardless of what they are saying that's the one thing you can point to that they've done.
What about the mainstream news articles in the NYT and WaPo and cable news media that finally give this whole subject the credence that it has always merited? After a lifetime of hushed conversations on this topic we can now discuss it openly without the knee-jerk ridicule factor, because we can point to the official Pentagon program that Luis Elizondo ran for 8 or 9 years (which we also would've never known about if Elizondo hadn't ditched his cushy job and decided to go public). They did that.
I believe those videos are all they have and very likely are being misrepresented.
So you
don't believe the pilots, then? Cmdr. Fravor validated the Tic-Tac footage and said that he saw the original complete hi-rez version of that footage, and it was so clear the you could see the little appendages sticking out of the bottom of the craft[1][2]. The pilot in the case off the East Coast also validated the Go Fast footage and said that the object he flew past looked like a cube inside of a strange clear sphere.
So you can't simultaneously say that you believe the pilots and also deny the significance of the videos.
And the beauty of it is, nobody has to actually prove anything.
"Proof" is a subjective standard, and as unattainable as a person wants it to be. We've been over this.
This is why I said nobody's mind will be changed.
A lot of minds have been changed. The evidence is all over the mainstream media - I've never seen such serious coverage of this topic in the news media. And that has a wide impact on their audiences too.
Agreed. He claims to want to take the high road but it's disingenuous to say the least.
He's very experienced with FOIA and I recall hearing him being interviewed on The Paracast and he was generally considered to be a person doing excellent work and making it available to others. Personality aside I think he's making some valid points.
JG has done a lot of great work and The Black Vault is perhaps the best research resource that we have in this field. But he's clearly on some kind of jihad against TTSA. Both things can be true.
I think it's twisted and totally disingenuous for him to claim advocacy for the cases that Luis Elizondo and TTSA have brought to our attention (along with the existence of the AATIP itself), and yet try to pretend that they're not inseparably related.
We wouldn't know anything about the AATIP, these cases, nor would the pilots and radar operators have come forward, if not for the direct actions of Luis Elizondo and TTSA. At the very least, they deserve our thanks for that stuff.
I also think that the ADAM project is really happening, slowly, behind the scenes, and that Steve Justice will have something very scientifically significant when he's ready to present the findings. But that's based on my gut read of the man - I'm not asking anyone to accept that personal assessment. I do expect it to be vindicated, in time, though.
[1] “When you look at the high-res video that… good luck finding it… but the original video that we had, so literally right off the jet recorders and putting it on our monitors, so we’re watching it on like a 21 inch or 20 TV – you can see in the TV mode ’cause the WSO the backseat or the other airplane is going between IR, which is a infrared mode to an EO which is electro-optical black-and-white, when you go to the TV mode he’s pretty zoomed in. You can see there’s two little things that stick out of the bottom of it.”
[2] "And then the other side is is because nothing was done and a lot of the stuff is lost. Like we have the tapes. We have the radar tape and the FLIR tape. The FLIR tape is what you guys have seen but it’s been degraded so many times because it’s been copied. But on the high-res monitors it was pretty good. And then the radar tape actually showed, you know, the thing. As we hit it with the radar, it started to jam. Went to the jam extrapolate and the aspect vector started spinning around because it didn’t want to be locked up. And Chad saw that, you know, that’s what he had seen when he did it. And then, obviously the video. But all the radar tapes from the Princeton…there’s a bunch of stuff that’s missing that they can’t find.”
F/A-18 Pilot Fravor: “I Don’t Believe The Technology Was Developed Here. And I Mean…On This Planet.” » Joe Murgia