To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I think it's more informative to look at what they've actually been doing rather than what they promise - or more importantly be distracted by the impact their claims might represent. It's been about entertainment and media splash so far.

Again, at $750K the Army is just having a look see. Maybe it is something interesting. Something else to be distracted by - and I doubt we'll ever hear what really happened with it.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
In my mind its like giving the task of building the moon rocket to couple of talented builder guys in the 15th century. I dont care if they get Leonardo Da Vinci himself to help them, i doubt theyre gonna do it there and then.

I do not think its a fair comparison to use pre-technological or pre-industrial time periods as examples...Those people of the 15th century have no basic knowledge of technology as we know it whilst engineers and physicists today do and even with very advanced tech and even with alien tech, there will be some engineers or scientists who could figure out quite a bit compared to some 15th century builder who have never seen technology such as we have these days or even a century ago...

I commented about reverse engineering alien tech in this thread:

Is reverse engineering really that difficult?

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I think one reason Uncle Stan used Columbus and a nuclear submarine is that in the 15th century, the idea of atoms making up matter was not even generally known, let alone accepted, and the models of how that works were many generations removed from even the physics of Newton, who of course pre-dated Einstein by a similarly vast historical gulf. So in order to begin to explain to someone in that time what was going on in a nuclear submarine, fist you would have to somehow educate them in the physical paradigm in use presently. How long would that take? Uncle Stan was, of course, a nuclear physicist so it's no surprise he chose such a scenario for his analogy.

Or maybe it really is something simple powering flying saucers, like the spinning magnetic fields the contactees were always telling us about. Hmmm... I may have to undertake a series of experiments with old car alternators, three phase motors, or even try to repeat some of Wilbert Smith's experiments with modern rare earth magnets. Wilbert, as I recall, used a vacuum cleaner motor to spin whatever magnets he used but gave it 220 volts instead of the 110 it was designed for. It didn't last very long, but he got some interesting results. I believe they spent considerable time building some kind of containment structure in case of things flying apart. I've considered using a router mounted to a plywood disc, screwed onto the bead of a truck tire buried in the dirt. If the tire levitates or heads for some other dimension, then unplug the contraption before it assplodes and get serious about the idea. I generally go for the quick and dirty approach when conducting experiments in physics. Also cheap. Could be part of the reason for my distinct lack of scientific breakthroughs.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Can we really expect to see the research from TTSA fall into the hands of civilians if any of these material are proven to be alien in origin?...Do we really believe that the American or Chinese or Russian governments would allow alien materials to fall into the private sector?...Maybe government contracts are the way of TTSA, the civilian side all marketing and media, the research and development, well, national security prevails...?

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Can we really expect to see the research from TTSA fall into the hands of civilians if any of these material are proven to be alien in origin?...Do we really believe that the American or Chinese or Russian governments would allow alien materials to fall into the private sector?...Maybe government contracts are the way of TTSA, the civilian side all marketing and media, the research and development, well, national security prevails...?

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Like Corbell chatting with Fravor I think TTSA is gaining some prestige by having the Army involved. We'll see what they have to say after they look at it - and then believe/disbelieve and argue over whatever else we may ever hear again on the topic.

If the Godless Commies really thought that game-changing breakthrough materials were in the hands of private organizations or individuals they would quite literally kill people to get to them. Or at a minimum have more than $35 grand to throw at somebody.

So after two years of whistleblowing about military secrecy these materials were given to the Army who reserves the right to keep the results secret. Don't get to use the word 'nonplussed' much but here's a good spot for it.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Here's a new write-up by MJ Banias on this TTSA/Army relationship...

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Tom DeLonge's UFO Research Group Signs Contract With U.S. Army to Develop Far-Future Tech

The government will study DeLonge's mysterious 'exotic' metals, active camouflage, 'beamed energy propulsion' and a host of other wild technologies.

by MJ Banias

With each passing week, former Blink-182 singer Tom DeLonge’s UFO research organization keeps giving us reasons to take it more seriously.

The group, called To the Stars Academy, just signed an agreement with the U.S. Army in which it will help the military study and develop advanced materials for the purposes of developing “active camouflage, beamed energy propulsion, and quantum communication” for use on military vehicles.

On October 17th, To the Stars joined forces with the Army’s Combat Capabilities Development Command, a research and development body. While To the Stars has made recent headlines with its UFO themed content, such as its acquisition of “exotic” materials which it claims are not from Earth, and videos acquired from the Navy purporting to show unidentified anomalous phenomena, this recent deal with the military portrays a different side of To the Stars: as a potential technology company.

The government is interested, specifically, in studying:

In recent months, DeLonge’s organization has made a big deal out of obtaining those “exotic” metals that it believes may come from UFOs. Though the contract doesn’t specifically mention the origin of any of those metals, it does say that To the Stars and the U.S. Army will use government labs to study “meta materials,” which could refer to these alloys.

"Government shall: Perform assessments, testing, and characterization of Collaborator-provided technologies. The Government is interested in a variety of the Collaborator's technologies, such as, but not limited to inertial mass reduction, mechanical/structural meta materials, electromagnetic meta material wave guides, quantum physics, quantum communications, and beamed energy propulsion," the contract states.

The contract lasts for five years. The government isn’t paying TTSA anything, rather, it is agreeing to collaborate with TTSA on researching new technologies and has committed to spend at least $750,000 on the research.

“To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science is a company with materiel and technology innovations that offer capability advancements for Army ground vehicles. These technology innovations have been acquired, designed, or produced by [TTSA], leveraging advancements in meta materials and quantum physics to push performance gains," the contract states. "The Collaborator will share their discoveries with [the Army] who will use Government laboratories and resources to characterize the technologies and find applications on ground vehicles.”

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Kari DeLonge, Tom’s sister and the Chief Content Officer of TTSA, told Motherboard that it hopes to use government resources to speed up its materials development.

“Our only goal at this time is to accelerate our R&D through strategic partnerships, both within the government as well as independent organizations, that will broaden our access to important resources such as skilled scientists and specialists that have access to high caliber laboratories,” she said.

“As a technological leader, the USG can provide exceptional resources to accelerate testing and analysis that otherwise would be cost-prohibitive to a small startup-like TTSA,” she added. “The U.S. Army's positive response to the high profile nature of this agreement and our mutual approval to publicly release the details of the CRADA, should display our willingness and desire to be transparent with the public.”

Dr. Joseph Cannon, Deputy Product Manager of Science and Technology in the Vehicle Protection Systems Division of the GVSC, stated in the press release that “our partnership with TTSA serves as an exciting, non-traditional source for novel materials and transformational technologies to enhance our military ground system capabilities. At the Army's Ground Vehicle Systems Center, we look forward to this partnership and the potential technical innovations forthcoming.” The U.S. Army did not give Motherboard a comment in time for publication.

According to the contract document, which was first posted online by government document archivist John Greenewald, TTSA is to provide samples of “metamaterials” to the US government for testing and analysis, as well as any documentation regarding “quantum communication,” any data or “obtained” vehicles that use “beamed energy propulsion,” and any information or technology related to “active camouflage.”

Motherboard reported in July that TTSA acquired metals of alleged “exotic” origin, and that some of those materials were dubiously sourced from an anonymous individual who delivered them to the late Coast to Coast AM host Art Bell. In a press release, TTSA explained that those metals were in the care of investigative journalist and UFO researcher Linda Moulton Howe.

“In April 1996, I began the first research into two shipments of metal pieces allegedly from the bottom of a wedge-shaped craft that came down in the late 1940s between Sierra Blanca Mountain and the San Mateo Mountain range on White Sands Proving Ground,” Howe, who reports extensively on aliens, conspiracy theories, and UFOs, told Motherboard. She explained that the second box of metals contained the now infamous “micron-layered bismuth alternating with magnesium-zinc layers” that, according to a lecture Howe gave in 2004, would levitate when exposed to certain electromagnetic frequencies.

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Howe explained that she gave one of the pieces to TTSA Co-Founder Dr. Hal Puthoff at the Institute for Advanced Studies in Austin, Texas for study in 1996. The piece returned to Puthoff for additional study in 2012, 2018 and then, according to Howe, was “purchased in 2019.” Howe did not respond for comment regarding the details of the sale.

“TTSA has acquired material from various sources and does not comment on the specifics of each sample,” DeLonge told Motherboard.

In online UFO circles, To the Stars has been a controversial organization. The fact that the US Army’s research and development arm is now working with it has given many pause. Some prominent experts have speculated that TTSA is an intelligence operation; they point to the fact that much of the TTSA team has worked with the military, as well as private government weapons contractors and with government intelligence agencies.

It has now become abundantly clear that even the most respected government officials are interested in the UFO phenomenon. The public can only speculate, and it is far too early to tell what, if any, results will come from this partnership.

“Material science innovations made through R&D contracts similar to the CRADA during the space race alone resulted in thousands of breakthrough commercial products and created entirely new industries,” DeLonge explained.

This whole affair may wind up being nothing more than a small start-up company wasting some taxpayer money. The alternative is that, by some miracle, we’re being led down a path where strange otherworldly materials are in human possession and they will be somehow implemented into our modern military technology. God help us, whatever the case.


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Standingstones

Celestial
I cringed when I learned that Linda Moulton Howe was the previous owner of the meta metals sample. She normally milks these things for all they are worth. Maybe she did do that before she sold the sample off. I’m just suspicious when her name comes up.
 

Abaris

Novice
What I don't get is that they're supposed to be a public benefit corporation.
How is giving the materials (let's consider for the sake of the argument they're the real deal) to the military that can either hush everything up or develop god-knows what kind of weapons applications from them is a benefit to the public?
In my view, they should've partnered with a private company, like SpaceX, with the eventual goal of bringing the technology to the public consumers.

And maybe I just don't understand the dynamics of public opinion, but I thought that there's a certain distrust of military-industrial complex, especially in UFO and conspiracy circles. Why are they not getting berated for this step then?
Of course, TDL was always about how the US military is the real heroes and were fighting the aliens this whole time (as much as I can remember from his pre-TTSA Coast-to-Coast interview), so it doesn't come as a complete surprise, but it's still a sour taste.
 
This article contains some important context, and speaks directly to your questions. I'm not saying it's all for real, but this is the story as it is understood in certain quarters. I'm not done reading it, but I'm glad I came across it. I believe it was linked in a message here, somewhere.

Tom DeLonge’s Origin Story For To The Stars Academy Describes A Government UFO Info Operation

It contains a lengthy transcript of an interview TD did on C2C, hosted by George Knapp. Here is a solid gold line:

GK: You know they're real, though? You've checked out their credentials. You know that they work in the places.

I'm just thankful I didn't have a mouth full of food or beverage when I read that gem!
 

nivek

As Above So Below
More early Tic-tac UAPs?...

 

nivek

As Above So Below
This article contains some important context, and speaks directly to your questions. I'm not saying it's all for real, but this is the story as it is understood in certain quarters. I'm not done reading it, but I'm glad I came across it. I believe it was linked in a message here, somewhere.

Tom DeLonge’s Origin Story For To The Stars Academy Describes A Government UFO Info Operation

It contains a lengthy transcript of an interview TD did on C2C, hosted by George Knapp. Here is a solid gold line:

GK: You know they're real, though? You've checked out their credentials. You know that they work in the places.

I'm just thankful I didn't have a mouth full of food or beverage when I read that gem!

That was a good read, I liked that interview transcript, GK should have been asking some of those questions to his buddy Lazar lol...

TD looks like a deer in headlights:

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
But once again, it's the spokesperson. They are not in "the know." They just say what they're told to say, and that can change at any time.

True enough. But saying that and then unsaying would prove to be an interesting verbal maneuver. Maybe this is part of the 'plausible deniability'
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Dr. Kelleher’s photo has been taken off the TTSA website recently, so does this mean he is no longer a part of the company?...

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