To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

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  1. Standingstones

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    Ask yourself this. What information has TTSA produced that has led to an “overwhelming significance to mankind?” Unless someone produces an alien body or a vehicle, no one will care.
     
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  2. nivek

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    The Physical Science of Ufology

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  3. pigfarmer

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    Nothing, but the hints surrounding the upcoming release of information suggests exactly that. There is a familiar pattern at work here - excite interest, dangle just enough to whet the appetite of those already willing to feed at the trough, and then separate them from a few bucks. Lather, rinse, repeat. Old story.

    Does this apply to TTSA? Well, it sure smells like to does. But to be fair we'll just wait and see. If the answer is only revealed behind a paid door I at least will have had my answer.
     
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  5. nivek

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    You do realize we pretty much live in a pay as you go society, so quibbling about money being made or paying to view is sort of redundant...I can tell you first hand I get upset when I have to pay to read a research paper that I have a high interest in reading, but it's the reality currently...

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  7. pigfarmer

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    To be frank I'm just trying to decide if it's finally something worth getting excited about or it's just more bullshit. Well packaged and polished bullshit for a 21st century audience, but still the same 'prey upon the gullible' and 'prey upon those so willing to believe they overlook being swindled.'

    It isn't a coincidence that this docu-series, whatever that is exactly, is appearing in the same venue as Project Blue Book, which also brought us Monsterquest and Giorgio Tsoukalos' hair for Gawd's Sake, etc. UFOs sell advertising slots these days, at least on the History Channel.

    Gut reaction to this is the research findings should be peer reviewed first - show us the science. Funneling straight out their entertainment outlet - because they conveniently have one of those - immediately raises a red flag to me. Ask MUFON about the 'optics' of Hangar 1. If I were forced to make a prediction, which I ain't, here it is: I suspect we'll see a rehash ufological history, rehash of the videos, various famous but probably unrelated cases, then add in dramatic cuts of Lou's Blue Gloves, much serious harrumphing by men with impressive titles and credentials all building up to the last episode in which we'll finally have someone say "see this hunk of silver shit right here? We can prove it didn't come from Earth.' Maybe Jeremy Corbell can lend a hand to weaponize my curiosity about all this.

    I'd rather cut to the chase and see a press conference. This whole thing reminds me of Ray Stanford - in amongst the nonsense maybe there really is something interesting but the packaging isn't helping.

    May is right around the corner. We'll see.
     
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  8. wwkirk

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    Well, from the very beginning entertainment was an important part of their enterprise, so this development is not surprising.
     
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  9. Double Nought Spy

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    Most of us have been here before. Some of us have been here more times than is healthy. It's not as exciting as it was thirty years ago when that one government scientist--a real physicist!--was blowing the lid off Area 51. So if you are not at least a little bit cynical, well let's just say you haven't been paying attention.

    Still, this seems a little different. Establishing the bona fides of the scientists involved up front is a welcome change. That's actually happening to some extent. The show business aspect doesn't bother me much, and it won't unless it turns out to be another Roswell Slides Dream Team shit show. That's entirely possible, but the cash for an enterprise like this has to come from somewhere, and we all know how much grant money is out there for this sort of thing. Billionaires with an interest in the subject have been about as much fun as the government, and just as secretive.

    I've waited decades for some real revelation. A couple more months is no big deal.
     
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  10. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Unapologetic Rationalist & Grand Regent of Taraka

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    I think it's fairly evident that we're seeing a clearly conceptualized long-term plan playing out here, which I outlined in this post. Check it out - that post explains why I see your "red flag" instead as a "green light."

    It doesn't sound like you've been following the feedback coming out of the AAP Conference. Apparently in private conversations these points have been raised, and Puthoff and Elizondo have said that they're prepping their findings in a paper to submit for peer-review, because they know we'll want to see their empirical data and have it reviewed properly prior to publication in an academic journal.

    As I described in the post I linked to above, I think they had a plan before they founded TTSA, and all of this was part of it. I think they knew what they were looking for, and that they've replicated their previous and still-classified findings via public channels so it can be released publicly without breaking the law. And I think that promoting their findings publicly was always a key aspect of their strategy for both security reasons and for sensible financial reasons. I don't have a problem with those financial reasons - they have to monetize further R&D somehow, and a cable TV show is essentially free to the public.

    So it's not going to cost you anything beyond your existing cable TV subscription (or barring that, the wave of coverage online following the show and the publication of their findings), to see if they've actually made a breakthrough, or if it's all smoke and mirrors like everything else has been in this field for decades. Personally I don't think they'd torch their company and their reputations by attempting to snow the public, like the jag-offs behind the bogus "Roswell Slides" fiasco. These people have real credibility in my opinion - I don't think they'd burn down their lives and live out the rest of their years in ignominy just to make a few bucks with a History Channel show. I could be wrong of course, but I very much doubt it.

    Also, peer-review and publication takes both time, and a journal willing to publish a very controversial paper about a subject that's been scientifically taboo for many decades. I'd rather see them do what they're doing - simultaneously working to reveal their findings to the public while going through the authoring and publication process, because the publication process could run into delays due to the stigma surrounding the subject matter, and I'd rather see what they have than wait for that to play out. But of course I want to see a paper and the lab reports. This way we'll get to see both.
     
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  11. Dean

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    I attended the entire conference. I was positively inclined towards TTSA before I went, and the more so after hearing the presentations and participating in the interactions there.
     
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  12. pigfarmer

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    Fair enough, and as we've all said ad nauseum it's free to wait.
    In a nutshell it's that an announcement is coming out the History Channel pipe first and a more credible venue second. Just to play Devil's Advocate, try that with a Bigfoot DNA sample and see what the reception would be
     
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  13. Double Nought Spy

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    Good point. If I see TTSA buying a "scientific journal" in order to get some "peer review" action, I'll know to run away as fast as I can.
     
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  14. Spaceman spiff

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    John Greenewald of Blackvault, whos been skeptical of AATIP and Elizondo, posted this at Reddit/UFOs . Another wall he ran into.

    "In October of 2017, To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science (TTSA) introduced Mr. Luis Elizondo to the world. He claimed he was the head of a "sensitive aerospace threat identification program" which conducted research on unidentified aerial phenomenon. We know it now as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program or AATIP.

    I immediately filed a FOIA request to the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (OSD) where Mr. Elizondo worked the day of that press conference. Specifically, Mr. Elizondo was working within the Office for the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence (USDI). My FOIA request was given FOIA Case number 18-F-0077 seeking records pertaining to what he claimed to have headed. On November 27, 2017, the DOD responded with a "no records" determination when they searched for records on this program. At the time of filing, the AATIP name was not known, and through additional conversations in December of 2017 when the AATIP story broke in the NY TIMES, Politico etc., OSD claimed all records were under the purview of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

    I appealed the "no records" determination to OSD anyway, despite their statements about the DIA, and that was given case number 18-A-0077-A1. In March of 2019, my appeal was GRANTED. (Source: https://www.theblackvault.com/casefiles/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/3-20-2019-12-04-17-PM.png )

    Within TWO DAYS after I received that granted appeal letter (which took well over a year to grant to me), I received a strange response that only deepens the mystery.

    "The National Programs and Policy Support (NPPS) Office for the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence (USDI), a component of the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OS D), advised that a search for records responsive to this request was not conducted. The Director, NPPS, stated that Mr. Luis Elizondo was a DOD employee who resigned on/or about October 10, 2017. NPPS has no information regarding Mr. Elizondo's claim to have been the Director of Programs to investigate Unidentified Aerial Threats for OSD." (Source: https://www.theblackvault.com/casefiles/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/3-20-2019-11-55-06-AM.png )

    So, in other words, the Department of Defense continues (as of March 2019) to deny claims by Mr. Elizondo that there is any information at their office, where Mr. Elizondo says he worked, and has now been confirmed via a FOIA response letter (and not just their press office), that proves there was investigation into "unidentified aerial threats" at OSD. If you couple that with the recent statements given to me directly by the DIA, wherein they said in 2010 the AATIP program was transferred out of that agency, presumably to OSD, there still seems to be no "unidentified flying object" aspect to the program.

    Another interesting aspect to this letter, is the fact they did not search for records pertaining to my request. As worded, I did not seek “UFO” related records, but rather, “…all documents pertaining to the outline, mission statement, objectives, etc…” We have it confirmed that AATIP was transferred there, so therefore, there should be SOMETHING, UFO related or not, that is responsive to my request.

    Further, my recent discovery of documents on Project OUTGROWTH from the 1970s proves it is not uncommon for programs to exist, that project technology into the future by 40 years, and that deal with propulsion and aerial technology developments. In fact, Project Outgrowth had a nearly identical mission and objective, of course, with some clear differences. But, it went well into the realms of science fiction fantasy, having dealt with “psychic forces” and “psychokinesis.” In other words, non-UFO related programs, dealing with paranormal aspects and advanced technology, have existed before. The concept that AATIP was NOT UFO RELATED is not far-fetched, as history has now proven with undeniable documents.

    The hunt continues..."
     
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  15. pigfarmer

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    I recently discovered the Black Vault podcast.
    He's asking some excellent questions that should be answered.
     
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  16. nivek

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    The black vault shows no level of healthy skepticism, it appears to me he is only out to discredit and beat down discovery and progress forward...That's just my take on his 'campaign'...

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  17. Spaceman spiff

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    John does good work IMO and asks good questions. And hes after the same thing as us, the truth. He even gone on record saying that he thinks the ETH is the most likely answer to the secrecy concerning UFOs and all the documentation hes come up with after decades of sending FOIAs.

    He just doesnt wholly buy into the whole AATIP story as its been told by Elizondo, theres an episode of Black Vault Radio where he goes deeper into why this is. He thinks some of the dots dont connect.

    I agree that these questions that are raised need to be addressed. They cant just be swept under the rug.
     
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  18. Thomas R. Morrison

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    I started listening to that episode awhile back, but lost interest a ways into it because he was rehashing a lot of historical stuff that I already knew about, which seems to have little if any relevance to the AATIP. I’ll have to pick up where I left off to see what he has to say specifically about the AATIP at the end of the show.

    But I have heard enough from John and many others to get the very clear impression that nearly all of the people who have made a name for themselves in this field are jealous and resentful of the sudden shift of attention from their own work to TTSA and the AATIP. I think that's understandable, normal human behavior – the “new kid on the block” effect. But I also think it makes them quite biased. I see much of their suspicion as a tactic to compete for attention with a 900lb gorilla in the room.

    My read on the trouble he’s having with the FOIA process is that those in charge at the DIA and OSD and DoD don’t want to be caught dead giving the public official confirmation of the AATIP because it’s the hottest potato they’ve ever seen, and getting mixed up in the press about this is the short road to a career cleaning toilets in Alaska. Someone at the top levels may have even classified the AATIP as FOIA exempt, and I’m sure that John is aware that there are legal mechanisms to do that. We’ve already seen that Sen. Harry Reid’s letter was designated FOIA exempt for example. I see no reason why they couldn’t have done that with all documents pertaining to the AATIP and Luis Elizondo, once this story broke, and I think it’s weird that John doesn’t acknowledge this possibility.

    In any case, I don’t think that the OSD/DIA/DoD refusing to release (or even look for, as seen in their response) AATIP documents, can be interpreted the way he’s interpreting it. He’s looking into a dark room and interpreting that as “there must be nothing inside, because I can’t see anything.” I think that’s silly, and strangely naïve for somebody who’s been banging their head against the door of gov’t UFO secrecy for decades.

    I’m glad that he and others are trying to get documentation about all of this, and I want them to keep trying. But I think it’s unsurprising that they’ve failed so far, and I think it’s kinda foolish to read into it as some kind of disconfirmation or scandal. It’s a dark room, that’s all. You can convince yourself that there’s nothing inside, or a fire-breathing dragon, but either way you’re just imagining whatever you want to imagine – we won’t actually know what's inside until the gov’t turns the lights on, and they clearly have no intention of doing that….not yet anyway.
     
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    In the thread you cite, someone says Sheehan is aligned with Greer. If so, that's a mark against him.
     
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