To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. pigfarmer

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    Been wondering that myself. You look back to say, the '70s, we've been deliberately fed crap and at least in the late 20th it was AFOSI and people like Doty who were supposedly protecting military secrets.

    I know that the best disinformation is largely truth but I just can't bring myself to believe what 'they' (whoever it might be at the time) want me to believe.
     
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  2. pigfarmer

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    They know the formula works. No matter how ludicrous we want to believe so badly we take one slap in the face and wallet after another thinking ‘one more’ will crack this open.

    It won’t. Beware confirmation bias. And beware Romulans bearing gifts.
     
  3. Standingstones

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    As someone once said, when people become interested in the UFO subject all the frauds come out of the woodwork. People like Doty, Maussan and Imbrogno realize this. They lie low for awhile and then dredge up past falsehoods to pass along to a new generation UFO followers. It can be disheartening.
     
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  4. Double Nought Spy

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    I draw the line waaaay before any whiff of Serpo. I once thought Billy Meier might actually have something interesting going on, for example. Well, it was decades ago. Serpo was an obvious joke the first time I read about it.
     
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  5. pigfarmer

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    Anyone here have and older sibling that enjoyed screwing with your head as a kid?
    They'd wind up with something you want or something important to you and no matter how upset you get, or how sincerely you want whatever it is, it's like struggling in quicksand. Excellent training for anyone interested in ufology.

    TTSA doesn't have the answer for anyone other than themselves, and that has nothing to do with UFOs. Like I've said, my money's on something like Father Gill.

    Here's a thought - what if ET came, saw, and then said 'yuck' and left years ago ?
     
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  6. Double Nought Spy

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    I think the Father Gill event is a great example. Assuming someone like that was just making up a tall tale is the most cowardly kind of cop-out. Unfortunately, ufology is rife with that too. It's like most of the population can't think clearly about the topic, probably for dozens of reasons.

    I would expect any visiting aliens to be as careful around us as we are when dealing with gorillas, crocodiles, sharks and so on. Or, as some cycling guru put it decades ago, "Stay well clear of things with small brain-to-body-mass ratios. Like cars."
     
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  7. pigfarmer

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    Yeah, it is and that's a drum I like to bang on occasionally to say that 'the answer' might just come screaming in out of left field one day.

    Talking about cases that old though, as we do ad nauseum, probably isn't adding much to the situation. What I think I see is facts being cherry picked to fit some theory. Historians do it too so we're not alone - pardon the expression :wub8:
     
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  8. nivek

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  9. wwkirk

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    I don't get it. If they already paid for the materials, it would be illogical not to study them. And without studying them, how can they draw a conclusion about their value? For myself, I would never have bought them in the first place. But if somehow I did wind up buying them (say, by mistake), I would want to know what I had.

    Also, I thought the Army was footing the bill?...Strange development.
     
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    I found a neat little tool called Wordle - Beautiful Word Clouds

    Don't really know how useful it is but it's neat. It takes a text sample and gives you a visual representation. I went looking here for a good chunk of text and found #866 in this thread, the JG interview with Luis Elizondo.

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  11. Spaceman spiff

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    A lot of what they do feels like somekind of game theyre playing.
     
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  12. nivek

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    I noticed when "The Company" button is clicked, they list the three divisions but the first one listed is the Entertainment division...One would think the listing order would be from the most relevant to least relevant so judging by the order of listing they chose to present the three divisions, I would hazard to say the Entertainment division is the Top division over Science and Aerospace divisions which come in second and third respectively...

    TTSA - The Company

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  13. nivek

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    I'm also curious as to what the dpo means in their site url...

    dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/#the-company

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  14. Lam

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    This is just awesome lol just awesome.
     
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  15. Standingstones

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    Data Protection Officer/Office
     
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  16. Spaceman spiff

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    So it appears Pentagon has been obfuscating and lying about AATIP. Wow... who would have guessed?

    Also heard that Pentagon is making a new statement in coming weeks, cant wait to hear what they claim now.

     
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  17. pigfarmer

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    I like this! Should've hit 'awesome' the first time. Just append it to anything coming out of TTSA.
     
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  18. nivek

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    This is a fairly lengthy read, I won't quote it all here, but quite interesting...

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    Inside the Pentagon's Secret UFO Program
    By Tim McMillan
    Feb 14, 2020

    The government can’t keep its story straight about its involvement with UFO research. After a yearlong investigation, we bust open the files, break through the noise, and reveal the definitive, staggering truth.

    (This Dailymail article below is in regards to the above report)

    REVEALED: The Pentagon's secret UFO program that focused on shadowy Utah ranch labeled a 'possible laboratory for studying other intelligences'
    • Bombshell report in Popular Mechanics describes Pentagon's UFO program
    • Details origins of cryptic Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program
    • Previously unknown research contracted by DIA in 2008-09 is revealed
    • One 494-page report details high frequency of encounters near ICBM silos
    • Describes one 1975 encounter where missile targeting coordinates were altered
    • Another report analyzed the medical effects of close encounters with UFOs
    • It also details the shadowy Skinwalker Ranch in Utah - which was proposed as a 'possible laboratory for studying possible interdimensional phenomena'
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  19. nivek

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    Here's an interesting read following up more on this Popular Mechanics report...I'm surprised there's not more talk about this...

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    Newly Leaked Bigelow Aerospace Documents Prove Pentagon Investigated UFOs and Paranormal Phenomena

    The entire saga of the US military’s modern investigations into UFOs has been clouded in confusion, obfuscation, and a whole alphabet soup of acronyms—AATIP, AAWSAP, UAP, etc.—which has enabled the Pentagon to avoid actually answering the real question: is there something weird going on or not? Since the story of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program broke in 2017, the Pentagon’s story has gone from acknowledging that AATIP investigated “unidentified aerial phenomena” (UAPs, not UFOs, which is rather important to them), to saying AATIP had nothing to do with UAPs. Add to this the strange list of AATIP funded projects and the former head of AATIP starting a side-project with Blink-182 frontman Tom DeLonge and you’ve got the dumbest possible byzantine labyrinth that could maybe lead to “soft disclosure.”

    This week, however, Popular Mechanics reported that they had obtained leaked documents dating to 2009 which show that not only did AATIP investigate UFOs, but they also investigated them as possibly otherworldy or interdimensional phenomena and continued to do so beyond 2012, the year AATIP was “officially” shuttered. Furthermore, AATIP took an interest in the paranormal phenomena at Utah’s famed Skinwalker Ranch with an interest in harnassing whatever’s going on there for defense purposes. Paranormal weaponry, that’s just what we need, right?


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    It even looks like a UFO.

    The leaked documents come from Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS). It is a 494-page “Ten Month Report” compiled by BAASS for the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Applications Program (AAWSAP), the contracting division of the broader AATIP program. Bob Bigelow, the billionaire founder of Bigelow Aerospace, is a well-known figure in the UFO world. Bigelow’s private research group the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) was stationed at Skinwalker Ranch for years after the billionaire purchased the property. Bigelow Aerospace’s involvement with AATIP has also been well-publicized.

    In 2008, BAASS was awarded a $10 million contract by AAWSAP for a guaranteed year with a 5-year option. According to Popular Mechanics, the “Ten Month Report” was one of many such reports given by BAASS to AAWSAP through the duration of the contract. Throughout the document, it is clear that what is being investigated is not an unknown foreign weapons system. From the Popular Mechanics piece:

    From cover to cover, the BAASS report references the government’s new buzzword for UFOs: UAP. However, nowhere could Popular Mechanics find a single reference to foreign (terrestrial) advanced aerospace weapon systems, or projected technological innovations based on current industry trends.


    Contrary to the Pentagon’s recent sidestepping, it seems clear that what was being investigated was something not just unidentified but completely unknown. Here’s an incomplete list of topics covered in BAASS’s “Ten Month Report” as summarized by Popular Mechanics:

    Overview of the BAASS Physics Division’s efforts to conduct research on advanced aerospace vehicles, including the development of standardization for measurement of physical effects and signatures associated with UAP.

    Overview of BAASS research for measuring and gleaning the effects on biological organisms from UAP.

    Mention of Skinwalker Ranch in Utah as a “possible laboratory for studying other intelligences and possible interdimensional phenomena.”

    Strategic plans to organize a series of intellectual debate forums targeted to broad audiences pertaining to the “potential disclosure of an extraterrestrial presence.”

    Mention of BAASS program dubbed “Project Northern Tier,” which involved securing documents related to instances where dozens of UFOs flew over restricted airspaces of facilities housing nuclear weapons.

    Project databases of UAP-related materials compiled through various partnerships, and the intent to expand these databases by coordinating with foreign governments.

    Summaries of multiple UAP events both inside the U.S. and in foreign countries.

    Photographs of UAPs provided by various sources, including foreign governments.

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    Cover of the BAASS “Ten Month Report”

    These reports are technically the property of BAASS and, due to the Economic Espionage Act of 1996, are conveniently excluded from FOIA requests. Attorney Josh Budray told Popular Mechanics:
    There’s honestly too much in the Popular Mechanics report to summarize here, and it is recommended that you take a read for yourself. Seriously, it’s huge. Other leaked documents obtained include a 54-page report on the physiological effects of exposure to UFOs, as well as proof that AATIP operated beyond its official closure in 2012.

    While much of what is in the leaked documents have been in the realm of solid assumptions since the AATIP story first broke, they have still been assumptions. The Pentagon has admitted that footage such as that from the USS Nimitz does show “unidentified aerial phenomena,” it has always been delicately handled from a position that “unidentified” might mean “we just don’t know who built it.” While these leaked documents reveal nothing about the nature of these phenomena (because of course not), they do show that whatever AATIP and BAASS were, and likely are, studying is completely weird and has been treated accordingly by the Pentagon.

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