To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. Spaceman spiff

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    Well hes at least right about Wilcock and Goode, theyre frauds if i ever saw one. Altough one doesnt need much of a BS meter to figure that out.
     
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  2. pigfarmer

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    Tried to read the trail with UFO Jesus and it made my head hurt. In fact, my spleen may have started to swell.
    Not quite half way through The Black Vault episode 27 and so far it's about what @Spaceman spiff posted in #74. It also makes my skull hurt - but the Devil's in the details and I want to suffer through it.

    One comment he made so far was that a statement made by an agency spokesperson was dismissed because basically, she was just a mouthpiece relaying info and didn't actually know anything. Problem was she wasn't saying what supporters wanted to hear. When a another mouthpiece from a different agency said something agreeable, the info was sacrosanct. Sounds like everyday news to me.

    Not defending Greenewald, but he has said that having public documents provided via FOIA that support Elizondo's claims may yet surface and could only serve to add credibility. You'd think a career man like Elizondo who said he resigned and went public over the issue would be the first one to want to clear up any questions about his background.
     
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  3. Dean

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  4. ProjectBlueBook

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    I kind of prepare myself to be let down by everyone and expect everything that I thought was real to be bullshit. Even things that I’ve seen personally ever since I was a child I could never say it’s alien, but someone or something is definitely in our skies and who knows where else. None the less always read and watch with caution and even if 1 percent of evidence is real that’s enough the blow the top.
     
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  5. pigfarmer

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    HEY! At 2045 EST GMT -5 Pigfarmer is shitfaced and full of opinion (waiting for Mrs.Pigfarmer to get off the train) . Shit or get off the pot already, you & your blue *%$@##$ gloved Hysterectomy Channel f***ers!! Enough with the crapola, spit it out already! I've been waiting a loooooong time and don't need this !!!!
     
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  7. Dean

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    Deep Throat: You were doing so well and then you got stupid, you went too fast--Christ, what a royal screw up. . .

    Bob Woodward: Yes, we know that. And if we're wrong, we're resigning... Were we wrong?

    Deep Throat: You'll have to find that out, won't you?

    Woodward: Listen, I'm tired of your chickenshit games! I don't want hints. I need to know what you know!

    -- All the President's Men, 1976
     
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  8. Double Nought Spy

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    He he! Must have been some good shit. :biggrinn8:
     
  9. pigfarmer

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    I wish it was. Just Miller Lite + boredom+podcasts+time ......

    BTW - Mrs.Pigfarmer is home. Good night all !
     
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  10. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Unapologetic Rationalist & Grand Regent of Taraka

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    Erica Lukes interviewed Dr. Eric Davis last night for the first 52 minutes of UFO Classified. Dr. Davis isn't a member of TTSA but he worked on AATIP projects and he works at EarthTech with Hal Puthoff, so he has some relevant information about the materials.

    At the 49-minute mark he talks about the bismuth-magnesium sample that LMH got from Art Bell, known as Art's Parts - I think this is probably the material which has the most anomalous structure and properties. And he kind of breezed over it, but he said three things in rapid succession: he said that they studied this material both before and after the AATIP program, and also slipped in the statement that the AATIP got the material from LMH, so apparently it was studied by the AATIP. So I think that they identified some key exotic characteristics but those results remain classified, so they formed the ADAM Project primarily to reproduce their analyses in the public sector so those new results could be shared openly. That's perfectly legal and doesn't violate any security restrictions, because the material was provided through public channels. That's my working theory anyway, and it seems to fit the facts at hand.

    He also offered some interesting details:

    1.) The program was officially known as the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program (AAWSAP). "Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program" (AATIP) was only an unofficial nickname dreamed up by Sen. Harry Reid. So that name has no official standing, which may explain why FOIA requests about the AATIP have turned up empty. FOIA requests should focus on the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program (AAWSAP).

    2.) Lue Elizondo didn't go through the normal press office route to get the three video clips declassified - he went through another department which had the authority to release the clips. This may explain why the DIA and DoD have denied declassifying them for release - they may not have been aware of it happening.

    Here's the interview:

    http://kcorradio.com/KCOR/Podcasts/UFO-Classified/2019/march/dr-eric-davis-and-tom-winterton.mp3
     
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  11. Spaceman spiff

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    Really? Strange... I was under the impression that the part that came from LMH was most likely just some industrial waste or something like that. I tought the parts they found intresting were the ones Vallee talked about, with unusual isotope ratios.
     
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  12. Thomas R. Morrison

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    People have speculated about that. I read a blog where somebody was arguing that it was industrial residue, and at first I found that argument persuasive. But the truth is, you can't tell what a sample is all about just by looking at it. Sure it may look like industrial residue, but the devil is in the details, so to speak - it may have very significant microstructure, and even exotic physical properties. And apparently that's what they've found...or think they've found anyway, because it keeps coming up. We need to see their results. And in May, we will. I'm generally optimistic about it - they have some serious minds working on this, and I don't think they'd be this excited unless they've got hard empirical evidence of real significance. We'll know one way or the other soon enough.

    Lue Elizondo stated in his latest presentation that more than one of the samples have been found to exhibit anomalous characteristics, so I assume that they've verified Vallee's synthetic isotopic ratios in the Argentina sample as well. I haven't heard any claims about structural anomalies regarding that sample, and I gather that it was collected after it leaked from an AAV in a molten state, so it's probably amorphous. The perfect thirds distribution of isotopes of a single element would be a stunning finding, in and of itself, but trying to figure out what the purpose of such a thing would be is probably impossible at this point.
     
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  13. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Unapologetic Rationalist & Grand Regent of Taraka

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    Joe Murgia just posted a fascinating article on his blog.

    USS Princeton (SPY1 radar ship for the USS Nimitz CSG) Fire Control-man and Aegis Computer/CEC Technician Gary Voorhis, saw the full-length gun camera video taken during a jet intercept mission in the Nimitz case:

    Gary Voorhis: “We were watching it. We were watching the entire video, just like [Jason] Turner. He was lucky to have a top secret clearance and a friend in a space that he could watch it. It was honestly amazing. This thing moved with no apparent inertial…gravity didn’t seem to affect it. It would stop and go. It never really ramped up in speed. It just went from point A to point B at X speed. Period. And just as erratic as you would even imagine. After we got done watching the video and, you know…a bit stunned. Went out to the smoke deck and kind of stared off into oblivion for a while. I don’t really have any of the psychological effects that Kevin had. But to me, I’ve always been very interested in physics, engineering and this object just showed me a level of physics and a level of engineering that, you know, I didn’t even know is possible. And in that way, it kind of opened me up to a little bit more…so I guess it really kind of did affect me but it was only because I saw something truly impossible happen in front of me. I guess it was a positive thing.”
    Confirmation: Second Witness Also Saw Longer Tic Tac Video and Was Told Sonar Contact Occurred. Others Told To Shut Up » Joe Murgia

    Also - we now have confirmation that the Tic-Tac video footage that we've seen is a highly derezzed version of the footage that was taken. From Joe's blog article:

    Jason Turner says that the FLIR video we’ve all seen of the Tic Tac is nowhere near the quality of what he saw. What he watched was crystal clear.

    Gary Voorhis: “But it is the same video.”

    Jason Turner: “It is. It’s the same video. This is actually the very beginning of the full video that I saw – the seven to ten minute long video – and you see there where he’s switching between different views…when you see the Tic Tac change color. When it was white, that is when you could really see the bottom, the things protruding out the bottom of it. And then, once you see it where it takes off and goes to the left. That is when they started chasing this thing. And then it was making maneuvers that no human being could ever survive. The g-forces that would be put on these people would just…you would die…instantly. And then being in these… you know, the jets, the fighter jets and not being able to keep up with them at all. That’s mind-blowing.”
     
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  14. Spaceman spiff

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    So we have yet more guys coming to say people were told to be quiet, however didnt Fravor say that no one was told to be quiet or sign anything. So someone is twisting the events here. Who and why?
     
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  15. Thomas R. Morrison

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    I assume that the people who were told to be quiet didn't go around telling everyone that they were told to be quiet. So Fravor wouldn't have known anything about it. 15 years later the story is all over the news and most of those guys are out of the service, so they feel like they can talk about it. That's my take on it anyway.
     
  16. pigfarmer

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    Could be just a matter of rank and/or the particular supervision these men were under on a case by case basis. The military isn't homogeneous in that regard. It does seem odd though, and saying that you were told to be quiet does add something to their story
     
  17. pigfarmer

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    So..... this took a few minutes to sink in.

    No, I haven't been following this all that closely but am interested. I had been wondering about where these unusual materials came from.

    Art Bell, Linda Moulton Howe. REALLY? Maybe someone should contact Gene Steinberg and see if he has any (to sell).

    And these have apparently been around for how many years? Where? Art's desk drawer?
     
  18. Double Nought Spy

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    Hmmm... timing seems a bit off, what with Art no longer around to vouch for the provenance of Art's Parts. I think he got them in the mail. Whitley Strieber said they were very strange though. That was then.
     
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  19. pigfarmer

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    Art Bell, Linda Moulton Howe and Whitley Strieber. REALLY?
     
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  20. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    I've noticed a lot of subtle almost passive aggressive whinning about the attention TTSA is getting...I've noticed that it's mainly from those people who have been in ufo circles for perhaps too many years to a point they whine when they aren't getting the attention they think they deserve lol...

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