To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

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  1. pigfarmer

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  2. nivek

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    I'll just drop this here...:Whistle:

     
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  3. nivek

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    A few days old but wanted to get this in the thread...

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    AATIP head: 'Pentagon has more evidence'

    Back in April, the US government officially declassified three video clips of UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) encountered by US Navy pilots during two separate encounters.

    While the clips had been previously leaked and published by the New York Times and Tom DeLonge's To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science, the Pentagon's decision to not only release them but to also confirm that the objects were genuinely 'unidentified' was seen as a significant step forward in the search for the truth about what these objects are and where they come from.

    Now Luis Elizondo, the former leader of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) who helped to facilitate the release of the videos, has indicated that the Pentagon is still in possession of "a lot more" evidence of unidentified aerial phenomena.

    "Am I surprised that the government acknowledged the validity and the veracity of those videos? Not at all," he told Newsweek. "It was a matter of time, they didn't have a choice because ultimately, the paper trail goes back to the authenticity of these videos."

    "And anybody who does a little bit of research will recognize that they are real."

    "I knew they were genuine and there's also a lot more the Pentagon currently has, unfortunately remain highly classified."

    As for the origin and nature of these objects, Elizondo remains uncertain.

    "I think healthy skepticism is important," he said. "I think the more data points we get, the better. I would just encourage those who jump to conclusions prematurely to take in all the data that's available, because it's not just eyewitness testimony."

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    My brother can beat up your brother, with one hand tied behind his back. So there!
     
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    Big day on Coast to Coast this coming Sunday...

    UFO Revelations / Big Pharma & Cancer
    Sunday, July 19, 2020
    Hosted by George Knapp
    Guest(s): Christopher Mellon, Luis Elizondo, Ralph Moss


    First Half: Former military officials Chris Mellon (1st hour) and Luis Elizondo (2nd hour) join George Knapp to discuss their years of investigating UFOs and cases explored in the new season of "Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation." The two will divulge what governments know about these unexplained craft along with witness accounts from military and civilians.

    Second Half: The cancer drug industry in the US is producing unproven drugs that do little to benefit real world cancer patients according to health investigative journalist Dr. Ralph Moss. He believes false claims are made by Big Pharma and that the industry needs a complete overhaul.


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    Ouch...
     
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  9. nivek

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    After stating this, there is no doubt...

    Latest on Bob Lazar

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  10. Spaceman spiff

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    Yeah, he resently gave impressions hes also listened to David Icke and Richard Hoaxland... *facepalm*

    Come to your senses Joe. Seriously. Hes taking every bait there is for suckers.
     
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    I think Tom Delonge needs to go away, all this cultish talk only diminishes TTSA credibility...

     
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    How skeptics see fighter pilots in Nimitz and Roosevelt encounters:

     
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    If I were a betting man, I would say DeLonge knows squat about soul and spirit.
     
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    This appears to be the NY Times article that Joe Murgia has been campaigning about all week, frankly I don't read anything new or revealing like he said, and especially lacking any new information when it comes to the alleged crash retrievals...

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    No Longer in Shadows, Pentagon’s U.F.O. Unit Will Make Some Findings Public

    For over a decade, the program, now tucked inside the Office of Naval Intelligence, has discussed mysterious events in classified briefings.

    Despite Pentagon statements that it disbanded a once-covert program to investigate unidentified flying objects, the effort remains underway — renamed and tucked inside the Office of Naval Intelligence, where officials continue to study mystifying encounters between military pilots and unidentified aerial vehicles.

    Pentagon officials will not discuss the program, which is not classified but deals with classified matters. Yet it appeared last month in a Senate committee report outlining spending on the nation’s intelligence agencies for the coming year. The report said the program, the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force, was “to standardize collection and reporting” on sightings of unexplained aerial vehicles, and was to report at least some of its findings to the public every six months.

    While retired officials involved with the effort — including Harry Reid, the former Senate majority leader — hope the program will seek evidence of vehicles from other worlds, its main focus is on discovering whether another nation, especially any potential adversary, is using breakout aviation technology that could threaten the United States.

    Senator Marco Rubio, the Florida Republican who is the acting chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told a CBS affiliate in Miami this month that he was primarily concerned about reports of unidentified aircraft over American military bases — and that it was in the government’s interest to find out who was responsible.

    He expressed concerns that China or Russia or some other adversary had made “some technological leap” that “allows them to conduct this sort of activity.”

    Mr. Rubio said some of the unidentified aerial vehicles over U.S. bases possibly exhibited technologies not in the American arsenal. But he also noted: “Maybe there is a completely, sort of, boring explanation for it. But we need to find out.”

    In 2017, The New York Times disclosed the existence of a predecessor unit, called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. Defense Department officials said at the time that the unit and its $22 million in funding had lapsed after 2012. People working with the program, however, said it was still in operation in 2017 and beyond, statements later confirmed by the Defense Department.

    The program was begun in 2007 under the Defense Intelligence Agency and was then placed within the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, which remains responsible for its oversight. But its coordination with the intelligence community will be carried out by the Office of Naval Intelligence, as described in the Senate budget bill. The program never lapsed in those years, but little was disclosed about the post-2017 operations.

    The Pentagon program’s previous director, Luis Elizondo, a former military intelligence official who resigned in October 2017 after 10 years with the program, confirmed that the new task force evolved from the advanced aerospace program. “It no longer has to hide in the shadows,” Mr. Elizondo said. “It will have a new transparency.”

    Mr. Elizondo is among a small group of former government officials and scientists with security clearances who, without presenting physical proof, say they are convinced that objects of undetermined origin have crashed on earth with materials retrieved for study.

    For more than a decade, the Pentagon program has been conducting classified briefings for congressional committees, aerospace company executives and other government officials, according to interviews with program participants and unclassified briefing documents.

    In some cases, earthly explanations have been found for previously unexplained incidents. Even lacking a plausible terrestrial explanation does not make an extraterrestrial one the most likely, astrophysicists say. Mr. Reid, the former Democratic senator from Nevada who pushed for funding the earlier U.F.O. program when he was the majority leader, said he believed that crashes of vehicles from other worlds had occurred and that retrieved materials had been studied secretly for decades, often by aerospace companies under government contracts.

    “After looking into this, I came to the conclusion that there were reports — some were substantive, some not so substantive — that there were actual materials that the government and the private sector had in their possession,” Mr. Reid said in an interview.

    No crash artifacts have been publicly produced for independent verification. Some retrieved objects, such as unusual metallic fragments, were later identified from laboratory studies as man-made. Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.”

    The constraints on discussing classified programs — and the ambiguity of information cited in unclassified slides from the briefings — have put officials who have studied U.F.O.s in the position of stating their views without presenting any hard evidence. Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

    Mr. Davis said he also gave classified briefings on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later.

    Committee staff members did not respond to requests for comment on the issue.

    Public fascination with the topic of U.F.O.s has drawn in President Trump, who told his son Donald Trump Jr. in a June interview that he knew “very interesting” things about Roswell — a city in New Mexico that is central to speculation about the existence of U.F.O.s. The president demurred when asked if he would declassify any information on Roswell. “I’ll have to think about that one,” he said.

    Either way, Mr. Reid said, more should be made public to clarify what is known and what is not. “It is extremely important that information about the discovery of physical materials or retrieved craft come out,” he said.

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    If you read that twitter thread they say Joe Murgia joined a cult called Way of the Rose...

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    Joes been going deep into Wonderland lately... Like I feared.

    NYT article is intresting, but is that all? Also is Dr. Davis conveying his belief or knowledge? Would he even be allowed to, for a man with so many supposed clearances, he sure likes to talk alot.
     
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    It certainly is but I don't think it's disclosure that ET is here. Even if they think it really is extraterrestrial in some cases it would probably be the kiss of death to any person or program that said so directly.

    Comments about the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force start on pg.11. It's primary focus is terrestrial and (I think ) a logical reaction to the profusion of UAS and the current political/military situation. Immediately after this on pg. 12 it says:

    The Committee is concerned that, as a result of several recent incidents
    of attempted unauthorized access to Naval Air Station Key
    West and Fort Story, Virginia by Chinese nationals, several security
    vulnerabilities have been discovered. Foreign adversaries may
    be systematically probing military installations and facilities, and
    it is important that the Department of Defense take responsibility
    for ensuring security measures are adequate, unauthorized accesses
    are tracked, and uniform reporting requirements for attempted
    unauthorized accesses are established.

    So this isn't Hector Quintanilla showing up looking tired and annoyed to talk to you about the weird lights you saw in the sky. When does something like the weird drone swarm that @Dean has been researching trigger the interest of a unit like this? It doesn't sound like it does unless there is activity in an area the DoD has interest.

    By this definition Betty & Barney Hill, Charlie Hickson & Calvin Parker, Travis Walton would be flat out of luck talking to these people. Not in their 'scope of work' by contract. But the Minot and Malmstrom incidents, the Mantell crash, etc would definitely be. Poor Paul Bennewitz would finally have someone to talk to that might listen rather than totally screw with his head.

    The rest of the article is a lot of fill, rehash. When you're getting a UFO sandwich anymore Dr.Davis is the little pickle they put on the side.

     
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    Yeah theyve already corrected some things in the article. Still intresting, but not as much.

    I think we can agree on one thing, something quite curious is going on in the background now regarding this whole UFO subject.
     
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    Yep they keep on making corrections...

     

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