Tom DeLonge's UFO Disclosure Project

Filakius

Adept
Upon reading Mirage Men, I can totally see people like Delonge being disinformation agents.
That is a real possibility and explains the reason why they are willing to work with him.
He believes it, so he is believable. He is a face they need to tell the lies they would want to tell, rather than a straight-faced General saying "We are not hiding anything".

Still trying to figure it out hey, maybe just another ploy to distract from the REAL issue again for another 70+ years.

But he is going the exact same way I wanted to go about it.
So its really exciting but yea. I don't trust that easily.

Here is there launch presentation from their website.
 

dr wu

Noble
To Filakius and Rick.......the Grant Cameron video covers the whole disinfo angle where it is explained that groups headed by Delonge and Greer are being controlled to spread lies to keep the public misinformed. Cameron rambles on a bit in the video but he names names that are indeed involved with govt intel ops and groups ...Pandolfi being one of the names.
Mirage Men by Pilkington as Rick cited and Revelations by Vallee both explore these disinfo ops that the govt has started over the last 40 years. So....it is certainly possible that these two groups and more as Cameron claims are being handled by intel agents. As Filakius mentioned people like Greer and Delonge...believers.....are perfect for this since they provide a believable face to others who are drawn into the 'game'.
The truth according to many who aren't fooled by these 'games' is that the govt doesn't really know the answer and these groups are another avenue to gather information while keeping the public amused with ufo and alien nonsense.
 

Filakius

Adept
To Filakius and Rick.......the Grant Cameron video covers the whole disinfo angle where it is explained that groups headed by Delonge and Greer are being controlled to spread lies to keep the public misinformed.
I only managed to watch a few minutes of that Cameron video, I'll try and watch the rest.
I just didn't like the accusations made based on assumptions.

I'm not sure how to legitimately figure out if this is a scam. I disagree that;

-If an organisation asks for money = May be a scam.
-If an organisation asks for money to study/discuss UFOs = SCAM automatically.


This is an incorrect way of dismissing something, and probably discourages other legitimate scientific studies from being done.

Also, I do not see Greer's name mentioned anywhere on the website or anywhere, so not sure how that is related apart from some guy claiming they are being controlled with no evidence.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
I don't have a problem with UFO organizations requesting donations, but when they start selling specific products at inflated prices with lots of car salesman hype attached I'm through with them. Steven Greer has become one of these.
 

dr wu

Noble
I only managed to watch a few minutes of that Cameron video, I'll try and watch the rest.
I just didn't like the accusations made based on assumptions.

I'm not sure how to legitimately figure out if this is a scam. I disagree that;

-If an organisation asks for money = May be a scam.
-If an organisation asks for money to study/discuss UFOs = SCAM automatically.


This is an incorrect way of dismissing something, and probably discourages other legitimate scientific studies from being done.

Also, I do not see Greer's name mentioned anywhere on the website or anywhere, so not sure how that is related apart from some guy claiming they are being controlled with no evidence.

I agree that merely because someone is asking for 'donations' doesn't make it a scam.
Regarding Greer and Delonge...I think they are 'true believers' who probably have been co-opted by people who are using them for other reasons. I don;t think this is a scam per se but I'm sure Delonge and Greer aren't going broke doing this. This is difficult to prove without having those behind the scenes admit to it which isn't likely to happen. Cameron's reasons and explanations on this point make sense ...but that doesn't mean he's correct. Based on what I have read over the years from multiple sources from various ufologists and researchers it seems likely to me that Delonge and Greer are both being manipulated. And it's possible other groups are or have been in the past.

Time will tell if any 'truth' is uncovered in the future from either group.....Greer has been at this for years...so far nothing. I see no reason to be very hopeful on Delonge either.
 

Filakius

Adept
Damn semantics...
Regarding Greer and Delonge...I think they are 'true believers' who probably have been co-opted by people who are using them for other reasons.
I'm not a fan of the term "believer" in relation to a having a viewpoint based on evidence.
This is an incorrect term to use imo.
A negative connotation designed to belittle a perspective by undermining the facts obtained to form the conclusion.

One can still believe a conclusion is correct. But to call them a "believer" has a different meaning.

I reckon that if someone "thinks" ETs are visiting Earth based on the current evidence.., then that's as far as it goes.
I reckon if someone "thinks" ETs are visiting Earth.., based on no evidence whatsover.., then that would be classified as a "believer".

I believe that Tom DeLonge appears to have conducted some research into the matter and has formed a conclusion.., not a belief.

(If I saw Tom conduct the research, I would "know". But based on his general knowledge, I assume or believe he has done some investigating. However this should not label me as a "believer" in Toms research capabilities)

Otherwise.., the same logic applies for every scenario in life.., and everyone conclusions.
Every scientist regardless of POV is a "believer".

This makes the term redundant.., if we are all technically "believers".
We would not write 'believer USERNAME Filak" disagrees with "believer USERNAME Castle" because its a given, so we don't need to write "believer" or "username".

Having said that....... what makes you think Tom DeLonge is being controlled?

I don;t think this is a scam per se but I'm sure Delonge and Greer aren't going broke doing this.
Its most likely the company would pay their employees wages.
I do not see an issue with that, as long as its a wage salary. Just like any job, people need an income to buy food and pay bills during the week. Otherwise they would not be able to eat food, and will not be able to work.

Unless they are keeping all donations for their personal gain.., in which case a complaint should be issued to your countries ombudsman.

Based on what I have read over the years from multiple sources from various ufologists and researchers it seems likely to me that Delonge and Greer are both being manipulated. And it's possible other groups are or have been in the past.
I understand. its what we most likely assume will happen based on prior exposure.

I would see weird things in the sky and assume.., meh.
"Was most likely a plane, meteorite or some military tech I never heard of. Or my brain imagined it"

Then after hearing from friends and family about more detailed craft and manoeuvres.., it validated my sightings for myself more.

Now when I see a flash or oddly behaving object.., I no longer shrug it off and go back to whatever I do.
I now think it might be another UFO. Only to find out later it was scintillation or aircraft landing or some astronomical effect (90% of sightings)

I believe this is a bad attribute, and I worked hard to calm myself down and remain unbiased when seeing UFOs.
Even while friends and family members are over-excited.., I will run through a list of alternatives instead.

I see no reason to be very hopeful on Delonge either.
Yea, I know what you mean.
I don't understand what the donations are for. I will write and ask them.
I don't understand why they cannot just show us the "non-blurry" UFO footage declassified from military sources.
I don't understand why they don't show us the metal which can be made lighter.

These things appear to already be in possession. Costs are covered.
Showing them would dispel doubt and investors would flock.
 
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Filakius

Adept
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Filakius

Adept
Email sent!
Although I think I will just receive a statement like the one found in their FAQs.

Can you provide with me for more information? <----- (weird grammar)
"Unfortunately, due to SEC regulations and best practices, we are unable to elaborate on the information provided in our Offering Circular to prospective investors one-on-one."
 

dr wu

Noble
Damn semantics...

I'm not a fan of the term "believer" in relation to a having a viewpoint based on evidence.
This is an incorrect term to use imo.
A negative connotation designed to belittle a perspective by undermining the facts obtained to form the conclusion.

One can still believe a conclusion is correct. But to call them a "believer" has a different meaning.

I reckon that if someone "thinks" ETs are visiting Earth based on the current evidence.., then that's as far as it goes.
I reckon if someone "thinks" ETs are visiting Earth.., based on no evidence whatsover.., then that would be classified as a "believer".

I believe that Tom DeLonge appears to have conducted some research into the matter and has formed a conclusion.., not a belief.

(If I saw Tom conduct the research, I would "know". But based on his general knowledge, I assume or believe he has done some investigating. However this should not label me as a "believer" in Toms research capabilities)

Otherwise.., the same logic applies for every scenario in life.., and everyone conclusions.
Every scientist regardless of POV is a "believer".

This makes the term redundant.., if we are all technically "believers".
We would not write 'believer USERNAME Filak" disagrees with "believer USERNAME Castle" because its a given, so we don't need to write "believer" or "username".

Having said that....... what makes you think Tom DeLonge is being controlled?


Its most likely the company would pay their employees wages.
I do not see an issue with that, as long as its a wage salary. Just like any job, people need an income to buy food and pay bills during the week. Otherwise they would not be able to eat food, and will not be able to work.

Unless they are keeping all donations for their personal gain.., in which case a complaint should be issued to your countries ombudsman.


I understand. its what we most likely assume will happen based on prior exposure.

I would see weird things in the sky and assume.., meh.
"Was most likely a plane, meteorite or some military tech I never heard of. Or my brain imagined it"

Then after hearing from friends and family about more detailed craft and manoeuvres.., it validated my sightings for myself more.

Now when I see a flash or oddly behaving object.., I no longer shrug it off and go back to whatever I do.
I now think it might be another UFO. Only to find out later it was scintillation or aircraft landing or some astronomical effect (90% of sightings)

I believe this is a bad attribute, and I worked hard to calm myself down and remain unbiased when seeing UFOs.
Even while friends and family members are over-excited.., I will run through a list of alternatives instead.


Yea, I know what you mean.
I don't understand what the donations are for. I will write and ask them.
I don't understand why they cannot just show us the "non-blurry" UFO footage declassified from military sources.
I don't understand why they don't show us the metal which can be made lighter.

These things appear to already be in possession. Costs are covered.
Showing them would dispel doubt and investors would flock.

Semantics indeed......yes to me he is a 'believer' and the word can be used with or without facts...imo...though I did place single quote marks around it indicting it's dodgy application.
The problem is there really aren't any facts in the public domain that positively show ufos are alien space craft...it's all conjecture, supposition, and speculation. Which is usually why people like DeLonge get tagged as 'believers'.

I don't know he is being manipulated but it's a safe bet someone is steering that project other than him. Cameron explains his reasons in that video...btw I am not claiming Cameron is correct..I don't know that much about him either..., but based on what the govt has done in the past with hoaxing, disinfo, and infiltrating ufo groups it seems likely. Several of the people in his group have had close connections to intel agencies and the military for many years now and did work on various classified projects. Is it likely then that they are no longer working for those groups...the old adage is one never really leaves when one is on the inside. Two books worth reading are Mirage Men by Pilkington and Revelations by Dr Vallee. They both explore this area.
I don't think DeLonge has done any 'research' except read books, articles, and search the web like the rest of us. His 'information' comes from these somewhat shadowy people 'he has assembled'. I think they were directed his way by people behind the scenes knowing full well he was an ardent fan of the ufo enigma and would make a perfect front man.
It amazes me that DeLonge isn't aware of this but maybe he is and is playing both sides against the middle.
IMHO...nothing new or revealing will come from his group and eventually it will all fade back into the woodwork like all the other ones....eg, Dr Greer's group has been at this for years..and are we any wiser to the real truth of ufos..? No.
Cameron and others think he is also being played.

Where's the beef? If these men behind DeLonge really know something ...have some true facts...then why haven't they already released this to the public and started the whole public disclosure process? Why not hold a very public news gathering and force the govt to reveal the truth? Why are they taking donations....these are not poor men with no resources...? What's going on here?
 

dr wu

Noble
Has anyone read the book Sekret Machines? Apparently it explains the whole UFO phenomenon in fictional form.., but is meant to be factual in relation to what the Military is doing with aliens and why.
Sekret Machines - SOURCE: Podesta Email. Wikileaks.org (Click attachments to download eBook)

I can't be bothered reading.
If someone wants to write a plot segmentation of the book, I will read that instead.
http://adaptation391w.qwriting.qc.cuny.edu/files/2012/08/Segmentation_handout.pdf

I have no intention of reading it....but I have read almost every decent (and even some crappy ones ) ufo book over the years and my bookshelf is full of them. The only person I follow or would read anymore is Dr Vallee because I think he genuinely wants to learn the truth of the ufo enigma...whatever it might be....and as far as I can tell has never been one of the Mirage Men.

link to a short review of Sekret Machines Chasing Shadows (Sekret Machines #1) by Tom DeLonge
 

Filakius

Adept
Semantics indeed......yes to me he is a 'believer' and the word can be used with or without facts...imo...
It can, yes. But in Ufology it has different connotations.

The problem is there really aren't any facts in the public domain that positively show ufos are alien space craft...it's all conjecture, supposition, and speculation. Which is usually why people like DeLonge get tagged as 'believers'.
Yes, its not the public's fault for having little data on the subject, so people should not be tagged as "believers" for researching a topic which is limited to begin with.

With the little evidence we have (testimonies, radar, video etc), I think that's enough to conclude the phenomenon is real. And to take further steps in advancing the investigation.

Without being negatively labelled as "believing" based on no evidence.

I don't know he is being manipulated but it's a safe bet someone is steering that project other than him. Cameron explains his reasons in that video...
No, neither do I.
Which is why I didn't include the accusation in my email without some substance to back it up.., otherwise I would probably look like the crazy one.

btw I am not claiming Cameron is correct..I don't know that much about him either..., but based on what the govt has done in the past with hoaxing, disinfo, and infiltrating ufo groups it seems likely.
I did mention this in the email, explaining why people are wary and require more proof.
Their current business model is that of a scam. Promise everything.., then ask for money.
If they want to be taken seriously, they need to understand the current climate of Ufology.

The first question I asked is 'What are the donations required for?"
How does this prevent showing us the declassified military footage of UFOs?
Or tests of the metal?

Several of the people in his group have had close connections to intel agencies and the military for many years now and did work on various classified projects. Is it likely then that they are no longer working for those groups...the old adage is one never really leaves when one is on the inside.
Not sure how to work that into an email. Would we accuse the panel of being incompetent?
It just seems too much of a broad attack with no real substance.

I don't think DeLonge has done any 'research' except read books, articles, and search the web like the rest of us. His 'information' comes from these somewhat shadowy people 'he has assembled'. I think they were directed his way by people behind the scenes knowing full well he was an ardent fan of the ufo enigma and would make a perfect front man.
That is sufficient for the topic. For someone to take the time to look into that data.., means they have done all they can with what evidence is available and are ready to take a new step.

Unlike the rest of us.., trying to speak directly to the military is actually a good next step.., as opposed to reading stories, watching YouTube videos (only to be inconclusive at best). Just repeating the cycle for another 70+ years of reading stories.

I think one reason the military ceased further investigations was because it was becoming costly?

I do not blame the public for not being able to investigate further. It would be hard to get funding, hard to get respected scientists, equipment would be expensive and no match for advance elusive aircraft.

IMHO...nothing new or revealing will come from his group and eventually it will all fade back into the woodwork like all the other ones....
That's ok. I predict the same, but will be open to questioning them and waiting without "riding the bandwagon" so to speak. Nor will I get personally offended if it does turn out to be a scam.


eg, Dr Greer's group has been at this for years..and are we any wiser to the real truth of ufos..? No.
I cannot subscribe to this logic, sorry. I think its unfairly dismissive.
It means ALL future attempts must be fake, because look at Greer.


Cameron and others think he is also being played.
Seems like he is the biggest "believer" of us all.
So many assertions, no facts...

If that's not a "believer" then I don't know what is.

Where's the beef? If these men behind DeLonge really know something ...have some true facts...then why haven't they already released this to the public and started the whole public disclosure process? Why not hold a very public news gathering and force the govt to reveal the truth? Why are they taking donations....these are not poor men with no resources...? What's going on here?
Their angle seems to be;
1) The government was hiding info on Aliens, but for good reason.
2) One reason appears to be fear of public being unable to handle being defenceless to alien attacks
3) Or aliens are doing some wacky stuff or whatever and was best we didn't know because we can't stop it
4) Tom will somehow ease the truth to the public via slow exposure thru media

That's what I got from it.
 
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Filakius

Adept
I received a reply to my email.

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dr wu

Noble
I received a reply to my email.

"Hello Fila,
Thank you for your email and for your interest in the company. Unfortunately, due to SEC regulations and best practices, we are unable to elaborate on the information provided in our Offering Circular to prospective investors one-on-one. All news, videos and information about the Academy will be released on our website, so be sure to follow our journey along on tothestarsacademy.com for more information in the near future.

Thank you,
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In other words don't worry about a thing, just give us your money. ;)
Saw this interesting article.....worth reading the whole piece..btw this was a year ago.....

The DeLonge DeLusion: Part One | Mysterious Universe
"For now, let’s put to one side DeLonge’s commercial exploitation of an issue he insists is of unparalleled socio-political significance. Forget about the tie-in merchandise. For now, let us ask, simply, is DeLonge telling the truth? So far, he’s given little reason to suspect wilful deception on his part. I, for one, have no doubt that certain people in positions of influence are feeding him information. If he gained access to Podesta and McCasland, it stands to reason he may have held meetings with other figures in the corridors of power, as he claims. Quite how much these individuals can state with any authority on UFOs is another question entirely, as is their collective motivation for sharing their claimed knowledge of the phenomenon with, of all people, an MTV star. "
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
Their problems are well known...
Secureteam 10 Debunked and Demonetized

but.....is the video of that oblong pill shaped ufo seen and photographed by the Nimmitz legit or is it a fabrication?

Is this the footage? This was a 2004 encounter.


Here is what 2004 vintage gun camera footage looks like (the footage starts at 1:37).


In my opinion it isn't 2004 F18 gun camera footage.

The format isn't from an F14 either. The format is more similar to F18 footage.

But actual gun camera footage on an F18 (as far as I can determine) would be black and white, and all the lettering detail would be a lot crisper.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
People really should refer to the UFO blacklist before posting video (unless posting for satirical purposes).

THE UFO BLACK LIST

We probably should have an addendum list for sites we generally agree are unreliable but aren't on the list.
Problem is the people who may decide who gets black listed and who does not. The list becomes one more of entertainment.
 
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