Rick Hunter
Celestial
Upon reading Mirage Men, I can totally see people like Delonge being disinformation agents.
That is a real possibility and explains the reason why they are willing to work with him.Upon reading Mirage Men, I can totally see people like Delonge being disinformation agents.
I only managed to watch a few minutes of that Cameron video, I'll try and watch the rest.To Filakius and Rick.......the Grant Cameron video covers the whole disinfo angle where it is explained that groups headed by Delonge and Greer are being controlled to spread lies to keep the public misinformed.
I only managed to watch a few minutes of that Cameron video, I'll try and watch the rest.
I just didn't like the accusations made based on assumptions.
I'm not sure how to legitimately figure out if this is a scam. I disagree that;
-If an organisation asks for money = May be a scam.
-If an organisation asks for money to study/discuss UFOs = SCAM automatically.
This is an incorrect way of dismissing something, and probably discourages other legitimate scientific studies from being done.
Also, I do not see Greer's name mentioned anywhere on the website or anywhere, so not sure how that is related apart from some guy claiming they are being controlled with no evidence.
I'm not a fan of the term "believer" in relation to a having a viewpoint based on evidence.Regarding Greer and Delonge...I think they are 'true believers' who probably have been co-opted by people who are using them for other reasons.
Its most likely the company would pay their employees wages.I don;t think this is a scam per se but I'm sure Delonge and Greer aren't going broke doing this.
I understand. its what we most likely assume will happen based on prior exposure.Based on what I have read over the years from multiple sources from various ufologists and researchers it seems likely to me that Delonge and Greer are both being manipulated. And it's possible other groups are or have been in the past.
Yea, I know what you mean.I see no reason to be very hopeful on Delonge either.
Damn semantics...
I'm not a fan of the term "believer" in relation to a having a viewpoint based on evidence.
This is an incorrect term to use imo.
A negative connotation designed to belittle a perspective by undermining the facts obtained to form the conclusion.
One can still believe a conclusion is correct. But to call them a "believer" has a different meaning.
I reckon that if someone "thinks" ETs are visiting Earth based on the current evidence.., then that's as far as it goes.
I reckon if someone "thinks" ETs are visiting Earth.., based on no evidence whatsover.., then that would be classified as a "believer".
I believe that Tom DeLonge appears to have conducted some research into the matter and has formed a conclusion.., not a belief.
(If I saw Tom conduct the research, I would "know". But based on his general knowledge, I assume or believe he has done some investigating. However this should not label me as a "believer" in Toms research capabilities)
Otherwise.., the same logic applies for every scenario in life.., and everyone conclusions.
Every scientist regardless of POV is a "believer".
This makes the term redundant.., if we are all technically "believers".
We would not write 'believer USERNAME Filak" disagrees with "believer USERNAME Castle" because its a given, so we don't need to write "believer" or "username".
Having said that....... what makes you think Tom DeLonge is being controlled?
Its most likely the company would pay their employees wages.
I do not see an issue with that, as long as its a wage salary. Just like any job, people need an income to buy food and pay bills during the week. Otherwise they would not be able to eat food, and will not be able to work.
Unless they are keeping all donations for their personal gain.., in which case a complaint should be issued to your countries ombudsman.
I understand. its what we most likely assume will happen based on prior exposure.
I would see weird things in the sky and assume.., meh.
"Was most likely a plane, meteorite or some military tech I never heard of. Or my brain imagined it"
Then after hearing from friends and family about more detailed craft and manoeuvres.., it validated my sightings for myself more.
Now when I see a flash or oddly behaving object.., I no longer shrug it off and go back to whatever I do.
I now think it might be another UFO. Only to find out later it was scintillation or aircraft landing or some astronomical effect (90% of sightings)
I believe this is a bad attribute, and I worked hard to calm myself down and remain unbiased when seeing UFOs.
Even while friends and family members are over-excited.., I will run through a list of alternatives instead.
Yea, I know what you mean.
I don't understand what the donations are for. I will write and ask them.
I don't understand why they cannot just show us the "non-blurry" UFO footage declassified from military sources.
I don't understand why they don't show us the metal which can be made lighter.
These things appear to already be in possession. Costs are covered.
Showing them would dispel doubt and investors would flock.
Has anyone read the book Sekret Machines? Apparently it explains the whole UFO phenomenon in fictional form.., but is meant to be factual in relation to what the Military is doing with aliens and why.
Sekret Machines - SOURCE: Podesta Email. Wikileaks.org (Click attachments to download eBook)
I can't be bothered reading.
If someone wants to write a plot segmentation of the book, I will read that instead.
http://adaptation391w.qwriting.qc.cuny.edu/files/2012/08/Segmentation_handout.pdf
It can, yes. But in Ufology it has different connotations.Semantics indeed......yes to me he is a 'believer' and the word can be used with or without facts...imo...
Yes, its not the public's fault for having little data on the subject, so people should not be tagged as "believers" for researching a topic which is limited to begin with.The problem is there really aren't any facts in the public domain that positively show ufos are alien space craft...it's all conjecture, supposition, and speculation. Which is usually why people like DeLonge get tagged as 'believers'.
No, neither do I.I don't know he is being manipulated but it's a safe bet someone is steering that project other than him. Cameron explains his reasons in that video...
I did mention this in the email, explaining why people are wary and require more proof.btw I am not claiming Cameron is correct..I don't know that much about him either..., but based on what the govt has done in the past with hoaxing, disinfo, and infiltrating ufo groups it seems likely.
Not sure how to work that into an email. Would we accuse the panel of being incompetent?Several of the people in his group have had close connections to intel agencies and the military for many years now and did work on various classified projects. Is it likely then that they are no longer working for those groups...the old adage is one never really leaves when one is on the inside.
That is sufficient for the topic. For someone to take the time to look into that data.., means they have done all they can with what evidence is available and are ready to take a new step.I don't think DeLonge has done any 'research' except read books, articles, and search the web like the rest of us. His 'information' comes from these somewhat shadowy people 'he has assembled'. I think they were directed his way by people behind the scenes knowing full well he was an ardent fan of the ufo enigma and would make a perfect front man.
That's ok. I predict the same, but will be open to questioning them and waiting without "riding the bandwagon" so to speak. Nor will I get personally offended if it does turn out to be a scam.IMHO...nothing new or revealing will come from his group and eventually it will all fade back into the woodwork like all the other ones....
I cannot subscribe to this logic, sorry. I think its unfairly dismissive.eg, Dr Greer's group has been at this for years..and are we any wiser to the real truth of ufos..? No.
Seems like he is the biggest "believer" of us all.Cameron and others think he is also being played.
Their angle seems to be;Where's the beef? If these men behind DeLonge really know something ...have some true facts...then why haven't they already released this to the public and started the whole public disclosure process? Why not hold a very public news gathering and force the govt to reveal the truth? Why are they taking donations....these are not poor men with no resources...? What's going on here?
I received a reply to my email.
"Hello Fila,
Thank you for your email and for your interest in the company. Unfortunately, due to SEC regulations and best practices, we are unable to elaborate on the information provided in our Offering Circular to prospective investors one-on-one. All news, videos and information about the Academy will be released on our website, so be sure to follow our journey along on tothestarsacademy.com for more information in the near future.
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Secureteam10! hoax site
Their problems are well known...
Secureteam 10 Debunked and Demonetized
but.....is the video of that oblong pill shaped ufo seen and photographed by the Nimmitz legit or is it a fabrication?
Problem is the people who may decide who gets black listed and who does not. The list becomes one more of entertainment.People really should refer to the UFO blacklist before posting video (unless posting for satirical purposes).
THE UFO BLACK LIST
We probably should have an addendum list for sites we generally agree are unreliable but aren't on the list.