TRUE END TIMES BIBLE PROPHECY - Monarch Briefing

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  1. john4564

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    As long as you will not distinguish Jesus from Christ, you will see contradictions in the Bible. And this will erode your faith. This is the same with the Male Child (the present Prince George) in Rev 12 and George Christ after he will have been snatched to God and to his throne (Rev 4 & 5) to get back to earth as the white horseman (Rev 6).
     
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  2. john4564

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    Well, I respect your point of view. However, Jesus, as man, could have been great high priest, like other men were. The expression "my time is not yet come" could refer to the gathering of the whole 12 disciples (Jesus met only four disciples in John 1).

    Look, you are wrong with what you call the pre-baptism miracle of the change of the water to wine. In John 1 we have Jesus' baptism:

    John 1:29-35 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.” Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One.” The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”

    Then John 1 continues with Jesus meeting and gathering his own first four disciples. The other Gospels clearly state that the baptism took place at this moment.

    Then in John 2 where the miracle of the water changed into wine:

    John 2:1-2 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.

    So, this miracle is the very first one, AFTER his baptism, in the presence of his disciples. If you disagree with me, you disagree with the Bible itself...

    Of course, you have noted that 'what is usually interpreted' I showed it to be wrong. As you see, I am not confusing restraint with inability. There is a reason for the miracles to take place after Jesus' baptism: Christ merged with Jesus when the Holy Spirit descended like a dove, aka an UFO. The same will happen with Prince George...soon becoming Christ. Remember John the Baptist said that Christ will baptize with the Holy Spirit (while he himself baptized with water). You see? Water to wine? Isn't this very first miracle quite symbolic?
     
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    As you see, the youngest child of Mary Magdalene and Jesus was around 5 when she left Palestine, just after Jesus Christ's resurrection. His ministry lasted three years. This means that his youngest child was born about two years BEFORE Jesus, the man, became Christ, the Son of God, at his baptism.

    So, the DNA of Jesus' and Mary Magdalene's offsprings was simply human. That's why there couldn't be any proof of a divine DNA acquired by Jesus two years after his son's birth. Hence, the Bible is not a myth and can't be debunked through this line of thought (human DNA supposedly disproving the divine nature of Jesus Christ).
     
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  4. Shadowprophet

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    I don't subscribe to the Jesus had children theory, However, unlike some people, to me, If Jesus had children, This would be perfectly acceptable, After all he was sent here to be a human to live as we did and to die as we would have too, So, I feel if Jesus did have children, It would be acceptable, The main thing I have reasoned lately is, People spend far to much time disagreeing about topics in the bible that really wouldn't change a lot for the larger picture.
     
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  5. Georgek

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    I thought I had done John?
    The bible is distorted and opinionated with texts that are man created.

    For example:- "Though shalt not suffer a witch to live"

    Did God place that?
    Or did it cause many tragedies whereby old women were murdered and classed as witches?

    You simply cannot be selective and take bits that suit.


    The wrong meaning and messages allowed the church to torture a person for their soul as it was better to die once than to be sent to Hell for eternal damnation. Was it wrong?If these messages are correct which I doubt, it meant that as long a s a person repented then they would be saved. It was the bible that taught that, as salvation alone was not enough.

    Trying telling that to the billions of Muslims.

    I disagree.

    The bible had been altered many times over. The King James version contained alterations from the Greek version and the New English bible is ridiculous. Lazarus was actually called THREE times and never laughed again.

    The Eye of the Needle was the temple gates as researched.

    Jesus tried to explain that we we go to the earth if we are bad, but the priests took that as Hades and devils.

    Jesus was not perfect...nor was he God. In actual fact today he would have got an ASBO for smashing up the temple.

    He never said that he was God. In actual fact he said that:- "The father is greater than I!" and "There is none good except God" When he was called 'Good master'



    It is the Christians who say that Jesus was/is God.

    Again fault after fault and mass interpretation.

    If you want proper proof...let me take my movie camera in a church and you will hear the dead priests trapped there. How would you explain entities getting into a so called holy place?

    Listen to the dead in the church yards if you wish.

    Or are they meant to be in Heaven ? Does not seem to be the case.

    The priests preach the bible as the bible does not preach itself.
     
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  6. The shadow

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    I am not intrested in arguing religion I want proof his aliens are real..
     
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  7. CasualBystander

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    Happens to everybody. I wouldn't sweat it.

    I've read the Bible cover to cover a couple of times and still get schooled.
    You are too kind.

    Thank you, and you are welcome.
     
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  8. CasualBystander

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    Well...

    To support my position:
    Chronological summary of the New Testament Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John timeline) | Bible Blender

    John is so out of sync with the other Gospels time-wise it is pretty clear he is telling a narrative, and inserts events as John sees fit to support his narrative. But you can't draw much from his order of events. The timeline (see link) put the water to wine after Jesus baptism but that is gratuitous. Further he did it because his mom asked him to, and you know how it is when mom asks you to do something.

    John has Jesus getting disciples in the first chapter, other Gospels have Jesus kicked out of a few synagogues and towns first. After that he apparently felt he needed some bodyguards. Those fishermen would have been pretty effective bodyguards.

    Further, Jesus did hang out with the scribes at the Temple at age 12 which isn't normal kid stuff.
     
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  9. Georgek

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    I do not have the time John to study all your posts with due respect.

    I am pleased that you accept UFOs. The aliens are the angels as the star of David was a UFO in the sky following the birth of Jesus.

    My aliens are seem more Earth bound as they are the same as the gods. The mythological gods. They are the same. The parallel continues with the fall of Atlantis and the great biblical flood.

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    Here is 'The Hermit' which I find explains it in the way that I discovered
     
  10. john4564

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    Thanks for your open mind. You know, the Bible doesn't say that Jesus had children, but it doesn't openly say the opposite either. It doesn't say that Jesus had a wife, but it doesn't openly say the opposite either. Actually, the New Testament doesn't say a lot of things about Jesus' life, including about 15 years of his life, which means HALF of his life (very few things from before his ministry, actually, are addressed)...during which, precisely, he had children!

    Being married and having children were not something unusual, even for a great high priest. Why would they be mentioned if Christ himself wanted them to be protected, and even hidden, from the authorities for he knew in advance his own fate? Remember that if he was heir of Israel's throne, his own heirs would be a potential threat to the authorities too. Besides, wives and children were not considered (as we do today) in that strong patriarcal society, regarding children it didn't value, only once they reach 13.

    Why do you think Jesus Christ compared his elect to children?

    Matthew 18:1–5 "He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them [who could be that child?]. And he said: 'Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name [as mine] welcomes me'”.

    This last sentence could indicate that he spoke about his own child, present at that moment, that his followers should accept, as being his real child, to be true Christians.
     
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  11. john4564

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    No, you didn't explicitely show how there were contradictions. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, just glorifies his Father. How is that surprising? He is God himself ONLY because God makes deeds THROUGH him, through his Son.

    Maybe you didn't see your own contradiction in your first sentence. If man created a text from thin air he couldn't have distorted nor opinionated it since it would be his own creation. Why would he need to change something he controlled? It's one way or another. If he created the text, no need to distort something he created in the first place. If he distorted a previous text, you should know to what extent. This is where people shut up because they don't how far it was distorted.

    It happens that I have made comparisons between all the Bible versions available on the net and saw no major contradictions on a great number of verses. Sometimes, meanings could change in few versions due to specific words used instead of others. In that case, I take into account what the majority of the versions says. It happens that the common ground is the NIV, that I always use.

    So, the NIV says:

    Exodus 22:18 “Do not allow a sorceress to live.

    This is the book of Exodus written in the 5th century BC, after the Babylon captivity, for an event (the Exodus) taking place in the 10th or 9th century BC. So, the meaning of 'sorceress' could be very different from what the Middle-Ages believed it to mean. I suspect that sorceress were real evil beings (fallen angels likewise) used by Satan as his servants. Remember that I said that Satan was incarnated in Cyrus' the Great body in Daniel 10.

    He happened to live in the 6th century and to have set free the Jewish people from Babylon. What is not clear is why Cyrus, the KING of Persia, called 'the PRINCE of the Persian kingdom' by Christ (like Michael is one of the chief PRINCES), did it. Also remember that Christ (Daniel 10) was detained by Cyrus the Great, with Nabonidus, the king of Babylon, for he resisted him 21 days (then Michael set him free). This suggests that Christ obtained from Satan the freedom of the Hebrews.

    So, to me, God didn't ask people to kill humans but evil aliens. Remember that gods, good and bad, used to walk on earth not that long before (and during) the Exodus, EVEN IN EGYPT. But this escaped people in the Middle Ages who took one meaning for another.

    Yes, it was wrong to torture and kill, all of this due to wrong interpretations. Repentance is supposed to be true and honest, and accompanied with true faith. So, again, do not confuse Bible words with their interpretations, especially from churches that not even Christ asked them to exist!

    Do you know that the Hebrews used to interpret God's words and to discuss them between them as a religious practice? This practice has even a name that ANY Jew could and do follow, EVEN TODAY! But the Christian churches, not asked by Christ to exist, totally forgot that massively important point coming from their own origin. Hence the clerical perversions...

    To be continued...
     
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    The problem with prediction is the very fact that we can change the future. Let us say that prediction is pure, mathematical calculations in an unconscious level we have little knowledge about. Then the calculation also have probabilities within and even if the calculations tells this is going to happen, any one could change the future and create a new path in life. let us say there is a prediction - 50% wants it to happen- 50% wants not. then some create the future events of predictions while those who do not want any doomsday, will give time and efford changing the event.

    Mark 13.18. Pray it will not happen in the winter. This means he gave us a change to change the future. I pray it doesn't happen at all. . Jesus told we can pray for everything and anything could be given to us.
    Just believe.

    Judgementday ain`t happen in my mind. Love. Peace and miracles.
     
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  13. john4564

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    Muslims are like Christians. They also interpret the Koran the way they see fit. That is why there are the Sunni Islam and the Shia Islam. Islam has few and vague prophecies. They can be interpreted in a way which perfectly matches the Christian prophecies.

    As I said above, I agree that there have been alterations in the Bible but the question is to what extent. I did my own comparisons between 49 differents versions through the BibleGateway website, and the result is that the differences are small. I agree that the KJV is an exception with its changes, often too excessive.

    I don't see your point with Lazarus called three times, and the Eye of Needle. How is that relevant to prove anything?

    About what Jesus tried to explain, could you quote verses? If you want me to say that the priests misinterpreted things, I do agree since this is what I keep saying since pages, without questioning the Bible itself. Jesus became Christ at his baptism, and therefore the Son of God. As Son of God, he made God's deeds. From that point of view he was God in flesh. He indeed never said he was God since he kept saying that doing God's deeds was to glorify Him!

    I note that you use the Bible 'quotes' to prove the priests to be wrong AND you reject the Bible itself for its content. How is that logical? Actually, you prove yourself the Bible to be worthy.

    Well, most of the Christians rather say that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and God his Father. Those saying he is God surely want to say that he acted for God the way the latter wanted him to act, as his Son. That made Jesus Christ what could possibly be the closest to God as his first creation merged with the Creator. Jesus Christ is the 'Word'. Here is what the Bible says:

    John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; this one was in the beginning with God; all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened. In him was life, and the life was the light of men, and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.

    So, how the 'Word' could be God BUT also JUST the Son of God serving and glorifying God? This is where the highest conceptual skills are needed. Take a drop of water and put it in the sea. How could you separate it, now, from the sea? It is made of the same water and can not be localized separately. That is how Christ is God, like the drop of water is the sea, and conversely. Except that the drop of water never was coming from elsewhere in Christ's case.

    You see, I am not a priest, I use the Bible and I tell you how to interpet it without any blasphemy nor false belief. It is just you who need to comprehend concepts. The Bible indeed preaches itself. But we are the ones to discover how.
     
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    You soon will have this proof. We think that the Orleans UFO event should/could come in the next 5 days. I hope that this news will be spread soon enough, wide enough, for you to know and to be convinced.

    :friends:
     
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    ok.. 5 days.. I will count today as day one.
    my post for the next 5 days will be tracking any event in the area.
    all major news organizations are being set to give me alert when the following key words are used UFO, orlines France.
     
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    Thank you for your link. Very useful! :tumbsup:

    But it doesn't support your position since the only reference of the miracle of the water changed to wine comes from John who actually put Jesus' baptism before the wedding in the presence of his disciples, at least some of them. Since this miracle is but the very first one, this shows that Jesus' baptism is the turning point of his ministry as Christ. Why should we question John's timeline? This escapes me.

    Especially because Jesus wanted to please his mother even if he considered it was too early to start performing miracles without his whole group of disciples. He certainly considered that 12 witnesses were the right number of people to testify his deeds because that was the very reason he wanted disciples. This supports the idea that he couldn't perform miracles before, miracles that, otherwise, would have been reported by other people than his own disciples. But none was reported before his baptism. And his mother should have understood it.

    Hence my stance about Jesus being the Son of God ONLY once the UFO (the Holy Spirit descending like a dove) hovered him (that is to say when Christ merged with Jesus).

    The Gospel of John being different from the other Gospels doesn't mean that he changed the timeline. He just reports what he heard from people (he clearly was not present at Jesus' baptism since he got John's the Baptist testimony) and what he saw himself, hence some missing events in his own Gospel.

    You also can see that Luke provides more events and Christ's words reports than Mark and Matthew. Does that mean that their Gospels are not worthy? Conversely, they provide reports that Luke doesn't. Actually, one could say the same for each one of the four evangelists.

    Look, only Luke reports Jesus in the Temple at 12. Jesus was very well educated and had the intellect of a great genius. It doesn't mean that all the genius in the world, in the whole history until now (some of them were and are extraordinary) are the Son of God.
     
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    Maybe you should change 'orlines' to 'Orleans'. :laugh3:
     
  18. The shadow

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    All discussion of religion will be moot if he fails..
    the countdown began today..
    and ends on July 17th .. in my opinion if you fail again there will be no room for excuses..
    you better be sure this time..
     
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    Yes, I saw that. This explains your answers repeating the same things while you received explanations from me. :Whistle:

    Not only I accept UFO but I experimented them, along with ETs encounters, since years, even decades, and I showed in a long study how 'clouds' are UFOs, and 'angels' are aliens, in the Bible, as my video shows it, along with my first thread.

    Maybe you wanted to speak about the Star of Bethlehem (NOT the Star of David which is very different):

    What was the star of Bethlehem?

    The star of Bethlehem is associated with the birth of Christ and the visit of the magi (wise men) as recorded in Matthew 2:1–12.

    Note that the first sign in heaven of Revelation 12 was, indeed, a Star of David (all the planets forming a Star of David on the astrological chart of Prince George's birthday).

    Well, we are on the same page for I lengthily wrote about that interpretation (aliens = gods = angels), here and on many places and works...since years. I am the one who first stated that the (paranormal) 'clouds' of the Bible actually were UFOs (rather ET multidimensional spacehips).

    But I do not agree with your excessive position on the first Scriptures writers' deception of the godly events and words.

    Jut keep in mind the Bible prophecies fulfilled the way the video shows them, and what will happen soon at Orleans, France, both conveyed by me here and on many places on the net.
     
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    One must separate the collective fate from the individual fate. The first is subject to prophecies, the second is subject to choices. That is even why both are mixed in the Bible prophecies: choices are offered to avoid what will inevitably take place. The miracle comes once the right choice, along with the right behavior, has been made, and lived!
     
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