Turkey UFO 2018

Filakius

Adept
Kerry Cameraworks: Just flew over Turky somewhere over Izmir and Khios Agean sea, heading into Athens around 4.30pm today we'd 21 March 2018. It appears to be flying away at rightangles from our commercial jet and somehow without either of us appearing to turn we end up almost following it.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Looks like a missile...
 

Filakius

Adept

Filakius

Adept
Its just due to the angle of the sun.....at least its obvious to me.
Yea sorry about asking. I don't want to bother you.
Its just that I did look for black contrails and only found evidence suggesting it was a myth or perhaps a shadow at best. However this doesn't look like white in a shadow as shown in the image below.
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The best I could find is the "self shadow" effect which is caused when;
1) The sun is low on the horizon and the contrail can be shadowed by a mountain or a thick cloud bank
2) In rare cases the plane can be flying directly towards the sun, and the contrail will shadow itself. When self-shadowing, the leading edge of the contrail will be brightly lit, with a dark area behind it.

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The incident occurred around 4:30pm local time over the ocean, and I think they are looking East at the object. There appears to be sunlight on the plane they are travelling in.., and appears to be no mountains or shadows.

I have never personally been in this situation having a plane appear from cloud cover below. Would you be so kind as to explain how the sun is causing the shadow?
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Kerry Cameraworks: Just flew over Turky somewhere over Izmir and Khios Agean sea, heading into Athens around 4.30pm today we'd 21 March 2018. It appears to be flying away at rightangles from our commercial jet and somehow without either of us appearing to turn we end up almost following it.

looks like an normal plane to me
 

Filakius

Adept
looks like an normal plane to me
The uploader says in the comment section "i didnt see a plane at the front.., Curious". This got me thinking about cameras and distance.

Try going to a nearby airport with any camera (digital zoom) and record a plane taking off from the airport from about 5 - 10 kilometers away through a car window using Google maps as an estimate for distance. Just so you can replicate how big an aircraft would look on film.., and how far away you'd need to be in order to see an aircraft a 1 or 2 pixels on screen.

Then notice how bigger and clearer everything is with your naked eye.., compared to the footage. Even when displayed on a large monitor.

The black contrails also are not normal imo. I think this is why everyone is curious as to what it is. Its just something we don't see everyday. Well.., some of us. It seems like a common thing for some people here.., whereas I always assumed black chemtrails were for the conspiracy theorists.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
The uploader says in the comment section "i didnt see a plane at the front.., Curious". This got me thinking about cameras and distance.

The black contrails also are not normal imo. I think this is why everyone is curious as to what it is. Its just something we don't see everyday. Well.., some of us. It seems like a common thing for some people here.., whereas I always assumed black chemtrails were for the conspiracy theorists.

The person wouldn't see the aircraft as it is obscured by the contrail itself as it is in front of it.

In this case it appears these people don't spend a lot of time on aircraft......or at least just wanted attention. The woman doesn't even sound to excited either.....lol.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
The person wouldn't see the aircraft as it is obscured by the contrail itself as it is in front of it.

In this case it appears these people don't spend a lot of time on aircraft......or at least just wanted attention. The woman doesn't even sound to excited either.....lol.

I still think it's a missile, maybe a small one...
 

Filakius

Adept
The person wouldn't see the aircraft as it is obscured by the contrail itself as it is in front of it.
Hi Castle thanks for the prompt reply.., would you be so kind as to answer my other question about the black contrail? Comment #6.

Your answers always speak with 100% certainty.., but you have been wrong in the past before. So I need to evaluate each answer carefully as I don't think you put much effort into "debunking" something.., or seeing things from a different perspective or look at others ideas. Or question your first opinion or participate in discussions.

I guess I'm a bit of a stickler for proof and seeing the math and work shown. I get that smoke or vapour can shroud an object.., but I'd need to confirm it.., or at least show examples. Its possible that the object is very large (plane) and the black trail is obscuring it which gives a big hint about its flight trajectory.., or the UFO is very small with a large black trail of smoke or vapour (like a missile perhaps).

"It looks like.., so it's most likely" doesn't cut it for me. That's been UFOlogy for the past 80 years.., and its time for a change.

Perhaps an option would be to figure out the largest size an airbus / fighter jet's contrail could possibly be.., and use that as a reference point for size and distance.
 
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Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Hi Castle thanks for the prompt reply.., would you be so kind as to answer my other question about the black contrail? Comment #6.

I didn't think I had to answer this.......but a shadow is formed when the sun shines against an object which casts a shadow behind it. This leaves the front of the object which faces the sun brighter than the back side of the object which is darker as it is not facing the sun. Contrails look cool when they cast a shadow on a cloud layer below it.

The confused person in the video is just used to seeing contrails from the ground as it appears they do not fly to often. Contrails are not usually not black because most are seen from the ground......but if you spend enough time outside on a major air corridor you'd see many that are darker due to shadows.
 

Filakius

Adept
a shadow is formed when the sun shines against an object which casts a shadow behind it. This leaves the front of the object which faces the sun brighter than the back side of the object which is darker as it is not facing the sun. Contrails look cool when they cast a shadow on a cloud layer below it.
if you spend enough time outside on a major air corridor you'd see many that are darker due to shadows.

You didn't have to answer.., it was just in response to you saying it was obviously the sun's angle casting a shadow.

It could be contrail vapour casting a shadow on the clouds behind.., but the object rises above the clouds and still appears black. Apparently it is moving away from the camera which makes it smaller.

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It is 4:30pm local time. Sunset in Istanbul was around 7:17. The Sun was at it's high point for the day at 1:11. It reached an elevation of 49 degrees above the horizon at that time. The sun was only at half that at the time of the video or 25 degrees above the horizon.

The plane appears to be flying over thick cloud which would be Cumulus, Stratocumulus, Stratus or Nimbostratus.
The only other cloud capable of creating a shadow from behind the plane specifically in the UFOs location (but not the underlying cloud for some reason) would be Cumulonimbus, which requires an "unstable atmosphere" and produces heavy downpours or hail.

Will need to check the flight altitude, and weather for the area.

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Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
You didn't have to answer.., it was just in response to you saying it was obviously the sun's angle casting a shadow.

Oh ok.....I was just responding to your request that I respond......and after some of the things I've heard lately I wasn't surprised that I was asked to explain shadow formation.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
The uploader says in the comment section "i didnt see a plane at the front.., Curious". This got me thinking about cameras and distance.

Try going to a nearby airport with any camera (digital zoom) and record a plane taking off from the airport from about 5 - 10 kilometers away through a car window using Google maps as an estimate for distance. Just so you can replicate how big an aircraft would look on film.., and how far away you'd need to be in order to see an aircraft a 1 or 2 pixels on screen.

Then notice how bigger and clearer everything is with your naked eye.., compared to the footage. Even when displayed on a large monitor.

The black contrails also are not normal imo. I think this is why everyone is curious as to what it is. Its just something we don't see everyday. Well.., some of us. It seems like a common thing for some people here.., whereas I always assumed black chemtrails were for the conspiracy theorists.
trail is due to shadowing
 

Filakius

Adept
Oh ok.....I was just responding to your request that I respond......and after some of the things I've heard lately I wasn't surprised that I was asked to explain shadow formation.
Just in more detail I suppose. Relative to the discussion without being so vague. Not explaining what a shadow is, although that was very good information. Thank you Castle.

It looks like a very dark cloud. Darker than any cloud / shadow I can find.
I don't think it was a shadow being cast onto the clouds in the background.., because the object flies above the cloud layer and is still black, even from a greater distance.

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CasualBystander

Celestial
Well...

We don't see contrails from the perspective of another aircraft very often.

If the sun is on the other side of the second aircraft they should appear dark.

That the effect fades rapidly behind the other aircraft indicates it is a contrail.
 
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