UFO Animal Reaction Research.

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  1. karl 12

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    Quite a number of pretty bizarre UFO animal reaction cases out there and research scientist Linda Zimmerman goes into quite some detail about the subject in the interview below.


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    Back in the day Joan Woodward also conducted some great research which can be found on the NICAP website - the file 'Animal Reactions to UFOs: A Summary of the Evidence' can be found at the bottom of the link below and there"s also an interesting one about fish reaction here.


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    NSID Listing of Animal Reaction Cases (PDF File)

    Woodward Summary (PDF File)


    Plenty of cases out there but If anyone's aware of any other relevant examples then please post away - always found it a bit freaky that directly after the Stanford incident Louise Smith's pet parakeet was 'terrified' of her.




    And that after Robert Taylor's UFO encounter his dog refused to leave the house for months afterwards.




    The Mellen's family dog also seemed pretty freaked out.




    And also quite a few other UFO incidents involving very strange cattle behaviour like in the Rosedale, Godfrey and Edwin Fuhr cases.

    Edwin Fuhr:



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    Bluebook's Dr Hynek describing one involving rabbits.




    And also a pretty freaky one from Australia involving dogs.



     
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    Dad tale below of dog passing away after UFO encounter (details of autopsy found at link) - sourced from APRO Bulletin, August issue, 1977.



    And another strange dog death reported by Henrico County Sheriff A.D. "Toby" Mathews - Source: The Richmond Times-Dispatch.


     
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    Hello Karl, great to see you, hope you're doing well, this is a great topic that isn't discussed much...Here's an interesting report of UFO encounters affecting the local wildlife...

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    Low Level UFO Encounter with Strange Electronic and Animal Affects Reported near the Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania

    On the evening of June 4, 2019 two people were traveling near the Youngstown side of the Chestnut Ridge not far from Latrobe in Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania. The sky was clear with good visibility. The passenger in the car suddenly yelled out, “What are those lights”? The driver was watching the road and didn’t notice them until they were pointed out.

    The passenger was confused about what she was seeing since it looked so unusual. She saw what appeared to be a glass tube cylinder among bright lights that seemed to be covered with a smoke or haze. The cylinder appeared to be attached to a large V shaped object with several rows of different colored lights.


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    This sketch of the object was drawn by one of the witnesses.

    The driver pulled the car over and stopped the vehicle so he could view what the other person was watching. The man said he was amazed when he looked up and noticed the odd sight in the sky approximately 80-100 yards away from the vehicle. Hovering about 60 feet over the trees was a very strange looking object in the shape of a V. The V shape was made up of numerous small rectangular shaped white lights. These lights were glowing but would brighten and dim at times. The driver estimated that there could have been 50 or more lights. The object was estimated to be about 40-50 feet long.

    Above the smaller lights were four larger round lights that were strobing and orange, blue, red, and green in color. The brightness of these colors appeared pale compared to the smaller rectangular white lights. These lights seem to strobe from left to right. There was a larger light that produced a beam that was scanning the sky above the object.

    The driver lowered the windows as they continued to watch the object. The two observers were amazed that the hovering object was completely silent. As the witnesses continued to watch the object, some odd affects took place. The driver stated that it was as though “the electronic system of the car was having a seizure.” The radio was off at the time, however they suddenly began to hear an odd clicking sound inside the vehicle but they were unable to locate the source. At the same time it was noticed that the dash lights were dimming on and off with the beat of the clicking sound. The driver also stated that soon after he was having a problem with his cell phone dropping the signal several times.

    The observers watched the object for about 3 minutes but became very disturbed by the encounter and decided to leave the area and continue down the road. The passenger stated, “we were beside ourselves in awe.” They didn’t even think of trying to take a picture.

    The object was still hovering as they began to drive down the road going about 30 miles per hour. That is when something else strange occurred. About 30 seconds after they left the location of the observation, a deer ran out from the woods in front of their car. The driver of the car is an experienced outdoorsman and said the deer looked dazed and confused. It was moments later that another deer did the same thing. Then just a short distance down the road a bird hit the car windshield and continued on.

    As they continued for another short distance an even stranger animal encounter took place.

    The driver, who is very familiar with the native animals around the area, saw a creature that startled him. He said this creature stopped about 7 feet in front of his vehicle. This creature was directly in his headlights and he got a good look at it. He knew what it was but the animal has been declared extirpated in Pennsylvania for many years.

    He is certain he saw a “wolverine.” The animal looked directly at the vehicle and was about 4 feet long from tail to snout. It had light brown hair with dark spots with tuffs of tan and white hair. It had its mouth open and showed its teeth before running off. Its body was thicker than the fishers that have been seen around this area. The witness said he was dumfounded. As they continued on, more deer quickly exited the woods.


    The driver commented, “all of these animals seemed confused and frightened. They were all crossing the road as to evade something that had scared them. I was in a state of amazement at what we encountered. I’ll never forget that strange night.”


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    Photo of a section of the Chestnut Ridge near where the object was observed.

    Addendum:

    In recent weeks, the national news media has been giving some serious attention to the UFO phenomena and focusing on observations made by our Navy pilots. I set up my UFO Hotline in 1969 to report sightings in the Keystone state and my phone never stops ringing with current and past observations. When I began in the field investigations of UFOs and other phenomena in 1965, it became apparent that many UFO sightings could be explained as natural or manmade in origin. However every year, I receive UFO reports from across Pennsylvania that are not so easily explained away.

    During my nearly 60 years of research I have investigated multitudes of low level UFO incidents where large structured objects were observed at very close range. Many of these incidents occurred in daylight and were observed by more than one witness. These detailed close range UFO encounters have continued to occur in more recent years. During the last year and continuing into 2019, I have continued to receive reports of unusual aerial objects that are not easily dismissed.

    The sighting that I have detailed occurred along the Chestnut Ridge. This area has a long history of mysterious encounters. There are commonly annual reports of UFOs, Bigfoot, and other anomalies reported through the Chestnut Ridge area of Westmoreland, Fayette, and Indiana counties in Pennsylvania.


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    He should have had an autopsy done on the dog to find out the cause of death, was it radiation or something else?...What type of radiation if it was the cause of death?...What if it was something else, maybe some intrusive technology harmed the dog in the inside causing death?...There's too many questions to just bury the dog without an investigation...

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    Sounds a bit Skinwalker-ish.
    Angry/freaky/scary rays, upset animals.

    My dog is a chicken. The list of things she's NOT afraid of would be the short one.
     
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    Hello there Nivek, very good to see you too mate and certainly an interesting aspect to the UFO mystery - did enjoy reading that report you shared and do have a lot of respect for the Stan Gordon and the ex intel/police/military personnel involved in the 'Westmorland County UFO Study Group'.




    Also some very relevant reading here from researcher James McCambell (sourced by Jeep3r).

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    Another missed opportunity mate and god knows what's going on when it comes to these animal reactions and UFOs (whether it's EM radiation, microwaves, ultrasound etc. ) - did think Zimmerman brought up some intriguing factors like mechanoreceptors in the beaks of birds and magnetoreception molecules found in the eyes of dogs (and primates) though.

    Also found it interesting that humans reported effects in the case below ('hair on their arms standing up' / 'sick to their stomachs') and suppose we're classified within the animal kingdom as well.


    Human Related Physical Effects of UFOs in Close Proximity - A CATALOG OF UFO-RELATED HUMAN PHYSIOLOGICAL EFFECTS


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    Another incident involving rabbits.


    Thought this case involving cattle was also interesting as it might be another water collection candidate.

     
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    Daylight disc freaks out farm animals inSaskatchewan, Canada - February 19, 1968.


    UFO freaks out cattle - New York, August 19, 1965.


    Some interesting reading on Security Guard UFO sightings:

     
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    More on Linda Zimmerman's research into UFO animal reaction (focusing on dogs).


     
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    Pretty awesome series of interviews with former Police Officer John Hanson citing some of the lesser known historical British UFO reports from his co-authored series of books 'Haunted Skies'.




    Lots (and lots) of extremely strange reports including quite a compelling one where a retired 'UFO sceptic' Police Officer went fishing on a river and witnessed a daylight close range metallic, saucer shaped object 'sucking up water' - some strange temporal goings on reported and apparently during the sighting his bait maggots pupated into casters (which should have taken 2 days).
     
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    That UFO hovering near conifer trees is a button. If you wait a while, you can see that UFO covers a branch, instead of a branch covering UFO. What people do they stick a button on the glass window pane. George Adamski was doing that all the time.
     
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    Thanks for that Dejan, the images found in the trailer are all CGI recreations used to illustrate the sightings in Seth Breedlove's documentary are in no way meant to be taken as examples of real footage.

    Here's another strange one from the Everglades on March 15th, 1965 - apparently a man was knocked unconscious by a UFO light beam (physical trace evidence and animal reaction also reported).




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    Newsclipping collection from Loren E. Gross - selected articles involving animal reaction.


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    Hi Karl , hope you and yours are well matey. :Thumbsup: ... And what can I say? ... i've been totally engrossed in this latest brilliant thread of yours Mi Amigo! ... in fact it has been an absolutely riveting read, .. some i'm already familiar with, but there are a multitude of reports/cases that I haven't heard of before. I will say that the whole 'animal reaction' aspect of the thread doesn't come as such a revelation to my mind, as I am fully aware of the far superior senses that practically all of our planet-sharing creatures posses. And therefor it only stands to reason that they would sense and react to the presence of such 'un-natural life forms' much quicker than human comprehension of danger... [and given their sub-human.. or primitive powers of reason] ... they would in fact protest quicker and longer than the average human would. ... Well that's my take on this anyway mate, [but of course, as always I could be oversimplifying the situation lol.]
    ...But i'm pleased that you opened with .. " Louise Smith's pet parakeet was 'terrified' of her." as The Stanford Kentucky Abduction case is a particular favourite of mine, as it's one of the very few [famous] 'Alien Abduction' cases ' that I give any credence to at all [again .. just my opinion, but the vast majority of these 'special claims' are fabrications.] .. but this one strikes a different cord in my personal-discernment. I always felt a particular honesty emanated from the ladies ... even though a normal 'red-flag-moment' was when I read that ...
    .. Which is [as I say] normally a bit of a $-ringing-integrity-busting sign to my mind, but somehow doesn't dent the prestige of this claim at all for me.
    ps .. Have you seen this little news revisit section from the LEX19 news station from about 7 years ago, which features Mona Stafford more than 35 years later? ..

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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    Hey very nice to see you mate and hope all is good with you and yours too - did think this was a truly interesting angle and the Linda Zimmerman interview was a mighty fine one.

    Have to agree with you about the Stanford incident mate - a truly intriguing one and God knows what that parrot was so scared of. Also interesting that there were claims of separately located witnesses at the same time and area (like so many other UFO cases).



    The ladies also reported damage to their eyes after the event like other UFO witnesses such as Gary Wood, Robert Taylor, Val Johnson, Carl Higdon etc. and don't know if you've seen it but there's a vid below featuring Lydia Morel's investigation.





    Dont think we'll ever get to the bottom of it mate but we can of course look for patterns in data and, although it's quite a freaky one, did think this interview with abduction researcher John Carpenter was well worth a watch.




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    Yes, thanks for that recording mate, it was very interesting and the more that I see of this case... the more convincing it becomes. .. Which is not always the case. .. I would agree that it has no scientific value whatsoever , but the truth is that Personally these three actual witnesses?/experiencers?/victims? [well ladies anyway] hold the same kind of prestige as regards to being genuine as the two other 'big-time' UFO-witness-with-physical-injuries... Betty Cash and Vickie Landrum , ... although I have always maintained that the C/L incident was a case of 'wrong place at right time' because imho, it was caused by a US military test gone wrong ... but in the Stanford Case, I do believe that the phenomena of genuine AA is pretty rare .. but the ladies were actually abducted by extraterrestrials! .. There you go, cards on the table, i've actually said it lol.


    Thanks for the video Karl, just watched it and enjoyed it, and I have to say that Carpenter came across as being pretty knowledgeable [as expected with his experience] ... but the problem that I have with the whole Alien Abduction claim aspect of the ETH is based mainly on the 'believability' of most of the witnesses, and secondly the 'hypnotic-regression aspect that accompanies the vast majority of these claims... It's not that HR could be a real godsend in providing proof of such claims , as would an infallible polygraph procedure, ... but the thing is that just as in the polygraph testing, it is not infallible at all is it?... in as much as it is largely down to the testers/analyst's line of questioning and interpretations of the respondent's replies to those questions and subtle suggestions. ... And not wanting to sound like some pseudopsychologicalsceptic myself, I can also easily believe that even with the sincerest intentions present in the tester/analyst that mistakes in techniques and interpretations are almost inevitable.
    ... And it doesn't help the when there is a whiff of impropriety that comes with the 'so-called-impeachable-expert' as i've found out that it certainly does with John Carpenter.
    here is the full account of the impropriety that I was referring to ... The UFO Trail: The Carpenter Affair: For the Record
    ... it's a bit of a read, ... but the upshot is that Carpenter was actually selling his clients .. their stories, their historical medical records, their hypnotic session tapes etc to billionaire Robert Bigelow for $100 apiece , all after he had assured them that it was all totally confidential! [he got suspended from practising for five years for it] and you may or may not think that his indiscretions are particularly damning, ... but for me it shows a lack of integrity that I need to believe that he wouldn't intentionally lead any of his clients or deliberately downplay the tell-tale signs of his clients dishonesty for the sake of meeting his quotas ... we all need money, but he deliberately lied on that aspect of his professionalism, and if you read the link properly, you can plainly see that it was just one of a series of untruths that the man has been responsible for.
    As I say mate, there are not really that many 'well-known' alien abduction cases that I give much credence to, and in fact I generally follow Jerome Clark's mantra of "multiple sightings, conscious memories of UFO sightings and missing time." [of which you yourself have provided many examples of] ... and no matter the weirdness of the account and the trashing of the witness by debunkers, ... Jerry stands by them , like this one that he personally investigated himself back in the mid-seventies ... The Sandra Larson incident
    SANDY LARSON 1975 UFO ABDUCTION by UFO WARNING • A podcast on Anchor
    ... as I said, Jerry is my hero in this field, ... but ? mmm! ... what do you think of Sandy's claim Karl?

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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    Very interesting cases there Karl, [and also sad for a big-dog-softy like me] ... I immediately thought that from the first dog's autopsy that some kind of 'microwave-propulsion' may be the cause, and so I looked up the conceptual possibilities of such a device being possible at all. ..And low and behold, even we puny-minded-humans have been theorising such a possibility for a couple of decades now. ... But on the downside to this musing is the fact that the "EmDrive." as it has been proposed is basically only going to be any good once in space, as it's theoretical power would not be very efficient against the gravitational forces down here in Earth's atmosphere. ... Also, there is the fact that while the veins, liver and fat were in effect cooked by whatever force was guilty, there was no sign of any adverse effects on the dogs body [ie, the meat on his back wasn't cooked] , and the fact that it took the dog three days to die show any injuries and physical effects would also seem to belie the 'cooked to death theory' ... But then, what do we know? ... an advanced engineering race may be able to refine all of the technology that we use in a raw state. ... either way, sounds like a horrible way for the poor hound to go. :(
    ... And the second example from 1966 , I thought not so clear cut that it was 'definitely' related to the sighting... though the sheriff [Toby Mathews] was pretty adamant that it was, so who am I to doubt. .. The thing that I couldn't get out of my mind when reading the story was that it was basically an add-on to the Portage County Incident albeit about 400 miles away and a couple of months apart, but then as you very well know 1966 was a bumper year all round for UFO's and it seems to have been the epoch of police/UFO sightings , specially in the American mid-west regions.

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    Hola mate, absolutely no worries and some fair points made there - you're not wrong in questioning the moral integrity involved and was aware about the antics of Bigelow 'buying up' abduction reports from Carpenter (and probably other researchers) - really do wonder why he was so keen to spend lots of money obtaining all those case files (although it turns out it was technically legal).

    In the vid Carpenter also mentions the Roper Poll 'abduction' survey back in the early nineties and it turns out that was also funded by Bigelow - then there's all his shady non disclosure deals concerning FAA UFO reports and MUFON humanoid reports which inevitably keeps all this data out of the hands of public researchers (perhaps that's the point) - know quite a few folks who suspect Bigelow is an intelligence agency asset but suppose that's a subject for another thread (Mirageman has done some great research on the web).

    What pisses me of is the FAA is publicly funded and MUFON is still asking for public donations yet both refuse to share all of its UFO data with the public.

    As for what's actually going on with abductions think I jumped ship on the ETH many moons ago (still very open minded though) - think UFO and occupants have a real physical aspect and lots of analogues with Faerie lore and even legal DMT astral experiments so God knows what's going on.


    Nice one mate - also have a lot of respect for Jerry and never came across the Sandy Larson case before - off to have a look.

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