UFO Cryptid Research.

karl 12

Noble
Quote:• “There is no doubt a body of work that has Bigfoot-like creatures directly connected to UFO sightings.”

Lifelong researchers Janet and Colin Bord.

Sounds completely bonkers but whether certain researchers like it or not there are quite a number of 'high strangeness' reports over the years involving unidentified flying objects and large, hairy, bipedal humanoids - either where sightings of the two coincide in the same area or basically they're witnessed both together.

Suppose for a person not interested in researching either subject then their initial kneejerk reaction (or conditioned response) is to hoot with laughter but this thread does attempt to take a serious look at the extremely strange case reports and other bizarre aspects like unnatural silences, luminous unnatural mists, electromagnetic effects etc.

Naturally UFO means Unidentified Flying Object and although there have been eyewitness reports of cryptids accompanied by self luminous globes of light (or very strange larger objects in the sky at the same time) this thread doesn't attempt to support any particular origin hypothesis.

That said some of the accounts do sound incredibly bizarre (perhaps that's why some researchers in either camp refuse to touch them) and below is some relevant research exploring possible connections citing specific interviews, articles, testimony and casefiles.



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Even though sightings of both Bigfoot and UFOs occurring at the same times and places are not uncommonly reported by eyewitnesses, the concurrence of such events is generally dismissed as coincidental, and any possible substantial connection between the two phenomena is not considered a matter of serious inquiry.

Both camps of researchers—understandably so—do not want their respective studies to be reduced to speculations based on mere belief. Advocates of both mysteries seem to think the evidence for the reality of the other's subject matter is flimsy to non-existent, thus the reluctance to entertain a connection to each other.

Maybe the problem in making the connection between Bigfoot and UFOs lies in the sets of assumptions made about each phenomenon. Beyond that, we point to an array of other strange phenomena associated with many Bigfoot sightings, including mystery light-forms. In fact, what sets our work apart from other researchers is largely that we take into account the paranormal activity that seems to surround the creatures and the areas we have studied where they are sighted.

Most other researchers are reluctant to do this. If the most we can say about the Bigfoot phenomenon without risking making invalid assumptions is that there is evidence it is an undiscovered primate, our research indicates likewise that the most we personally can say about UFOs might be that they are an unknown aerial luminous phenomenon (quite literally unknown flying objects), which usually involve balls of light of various shapes, sizes, and descriptions.

This being the case, we maintain there is a definite connection between Bigfoot and UFOs, especially if we allow for their respective mysterious origins and nature. This general observation was independently made as early as thirty years ago by such writers/researchers as John Keel and Dr. Michael Persinger. Keel, who is well-known for having written The Mothman Prophecies and for popularizing the term "Men in Black" (or "MIB"), described what he called "window areas" where he consistently observed a range of unusual phenomena that occur in specific locations in a particular sequence.

These include star-like lights seen in the sky moving at speeds and angles impossible for conventional aircraft; full moon-sized fireballs streaking low across the horizon; smaller lights seen near ground level, followed by the appearance of the classic saucer-shaped spacecraft. At some point in this bizarre phantasmagoria, within the same areas, large mystery primates would also show up, what Keel called "Big Hairy Monsters" or "BHM," sometimes followed by the MIB.

The Bigfoot UFO Connection
 

karl 12

Noble
• WCUFOSG Research:

Stan Gordon goes into quite some remarkable detail in the interview below about his 60 years of research and the findings of scientists, engineers and ex intel/police/military personnel involved in the 'Westmorland County UFO Study Group' which operated 24/7 for incoming reports around the state of Pennsylvania.

Quite a number of close range UFO/multiple witness/multiple Bigfoot reports and sightings of large, solid objects close to the ground or hovering over forests and highways - apparently during the 1973 wave reports flooded in and there was lots of media coverage at the time.

Chestnut Ridge:

https://youtu.be/KhT6UqEm-yU

•Full interview - Casefiles

https://youtu.be/QsgA56R3gk4


Stan Gordon began his journey in field investigations of UFOs and other Paranormal encounters in Pennsylvania in 1965. During 1973 UFOs began to make widespread appearances in the sky across the Keystone State. It was during the summer of that year however when a mysterious wave of events began to unfold.

Alarmed citizens over a widespread area reported close encounters with huge hairy Bigfoot-like creatures. Frightened residents called local authorities and media outlets reporting enormous footprints and terrified animals.

As the pace of the abnormal encounters quickened through the following months, more eyewitness reports of other strange creatures, and a variety of other paranormal events came to the attention of Gordon's investigation team.
 

karl 12

Noble
Seems freaky MIBs also play a role in UFO / Cryptid research and there are reports of strange individuals confiscating hair samples / photographs, destroying footprints etc..

Also turns out Stan Gordon had a bit of a shock when he enquired whether a certain UFO witness would be willing to undergo hypnosis and got the reply 'You already did the hypnosis' (apparently 'an army guy and a guy in a suit' had already conducted it whilst masquerading as two of Gordon's UFO research team).

Specific cases are covered by Bob Gymlan in the vid below including the Uniontown incident).


https://youtu.be/KC-n6E4EB1E

"It was a bright red sphere about as big as a barn. And it was only about a hundred feet off the ground and slowly descending towards the pasture..

Along that fence walking towards them are these two, huge, Bigfoot-like creatures'.


Apparently weirder aspects ('Woo') of Sasquatch encounter reports get 'edited out' by certain Bigfoot organisations and if anyone's interested then archives containing direct 'unsanitized' witness testimony can be found at channels such as Sasquatch Chronicles, How to Hunt, A Flash Of Beauty etc. - would say Yowiehunters and Subarctic Sasquatch are also well worth a look and all contain some truly compelling reports from military, police officers, firefighters, pilots, doctors, judges, priests, scientists, engineers, academics, park rangers, border patrol agents, loggers, truck drivers, train drivers, hunters etc.

Here's 'How To Hunt's' Steve Isdahl (who doesn't willfully ignore the more bizarre aspects) explaining how 'woo' is far more common than most researchers care to admit:


https://youtu.be/ndPN2knTdSE

Quote:Steve Isdahl is a Canadian hunter and long time hunting guide who takes people into the wilderness, north of Whistler, British Columbia, looking for big game. However, the ominous creatures of the forest have him now hunting down the legend of Sasquatch. Not to harm it. But to find out what the heck the creature really is?
 

karl 12

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The Adirondack area in New York State is just one of many 'hotspots' around the US and there are also some highly strange UFO cryptid antics (concurrent 'flaps') described in the vid below.



https://youtu.be/sYdJBWlwF7s


For many, the Abair Incident was simply a string a Bigfoot sightings spread over one week in 1976. However, investigators of the paranormal know that something far more bizarre was taking place.
In addition to hairy creatures, an outbreak of UFO reports erupted around Whitehall at the same time, leading many to wonder if perhaps the area was a window to something far more sinister..




Apparently all this is nothing new and there's a funky 1970's clip here showing how researchers were making the UFO cryptid connection back over 50 years ago.


Whatever's going on there are lots of other highly strange cases out there involving UFOs being witnessed before, during or after a cryptid sighting and also real freaky aspects described in certain encounters like time dislocation, bizarre flashes of light and footprints which abruptly end (link).


Also thought researcher Zelia Edgar made some really astute observations here (at 35:15) concerning 'orb' reports and there are some other relevant articles below.





Quote:Intrigued by the growing stack of reports, I mentioned to my colleague and fellow writer-researcher John A. Keel that I intended to write an article suggesting a connection between Bigfoot and UFOs.
THE DECADES’ OLD DEBATE–THE BIGFOOT-UFO CONNECTION PART 1 / 2







Quote:Now fast-forward almost 100 years to 1973... and Mrs. Reafa Heitfield. She and her 13-year-old son were sleeping in a trailer in Cincinnati, Ohio on the morning of October 21. Reafa arose at 2:30 a.m. to quench her thirst, and noticed strange lights in the adjoining parking lot. Looking out the window, her attention was drawn, in particular, to an inexplicable cone of light, shaped like a huge bubble umbrella -- about seven feet in diameter.
Nearby she spotted a grayish, ape-like creature with a large, downward angled snout, no neck and a sizable waist. Moving slowly, it then entered into the light. About five minutes later, both apeman and UFO disappeared.
Another dramatic incident occurred a few days later on October 25, 1973. A group of farmers in Fayette County, Pennsylvania caught sight of a dome-shaped UFO that was brightly lit and about 100 feet in diameter. As the locals drove toward it, they saw a pair of gargantuan creatures covered with thick, matted hair, luminescent green eyes and long arms that dangled below their knees. A farmer's son fired a gun shot at the creatures, one of which raised its right hand in the air. At that very moment, the UFO disappeared. Then, the two Bigfoots escaped into the woods and were never seen again.
Huffington Post







Quote Puerto Rico and Mexico have reported an increase in reports about the Sasquatch's tropical cousin.. The tropical manimals are described as human-sized, covered in abundant brown or black hair, and with glowing eyes. Their habits are largely nocturnal, as in the case of their North American counterparts, and they have also shown a propensity toward appearing in places where UFO or paranormal events are taking place.
El Yunque, one of the peaks located in the Luquillo Experimental Rainforest, has been a focal point of UFO and paranormal rainforest since the days of the Taino indians. Since the late 1800's, reports of strange lights flying over El Yunque have suggested that some sort of non-human activity has been taking place.
In December 1993, a group of National Guard reservists camping at the summit of Mt. La Mina, on the rainforest's southern end, had an encounter with an frightening creature: man-sized,hairy and with glowing eyes. The reservists abandoned their camp and descended the mountain in pitch darkness, terrified by the encounter. Their superiors allegedly told them not to discuss the matter with anyone..
[b[That a link between manimals and the latter can be established is without question--case histories from all over the Americas have often involved hairy ape-like creatures standing outside landed vehicles, being led by ufonauts, and in one case, seen drifting across the skies in a bright orange ball.
PARANORMAL MANIMALS IN LATIN AMERICA[/B]







Quote:Martin, who was sitting, looked around and saw a sandy-colored anthropoid creature. It ran away with amazing swiftness, in running leaps, "like a man on a rope being pulled too fast by a car", Jeff Martin running after it. As it crossed the road, Jeff Martin heard its feet slapping on the blacktop. The creature looked back one last time, leaped over a ditch, and disappeared into the woods. Shortly afterwards, a glowing bronze object shot out of the trees and into the sky, fading away so quickly that the whole series of events seemed nearly instantaneous.
1965 AND BEGINNING OCTOBER 1973, GALVESTON, INDIANA, USA







Quote:A Tennessee witness at Cedar Grove reported multiple, low flying, triangle-shaped UFOs moving overhead and a “black, ape-like” creature on the ground, according to testimony in Case 66916 from the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) witness reporting database.
Low Flying UFOs and ‘Ape-Like’ Creature Reported in Tennessee
 

karl 12

Noble
Probably easier to find countries that don't experience cryptid type creature (or UFO) reports and there are plenty of other strange historical cases out there involving both if one cares to look.

Understand that connecting one complete mystery with another isn't usually the best way to go about things (and the reports do seem to mock the researcher) but maybe folks like Keel, Vallee, Eno, Sinclair, Gordon, Riggs, Edgar, Swartz etc. are onto something when they 'follow the data' and engage in speculation about bizarre crossover phenomena, super-spectrums, reality frequencies, window areas and 'paranormal soup'.


Links:

The Bord Casebook And Newsclippings

Vanishing Bigfoot and Anecdotal Accounts:Implications and Challenges for Researchers By Sharon (Eby) Cornet

•Scientific/military Soviet research: Part: 1 / 2 / 3

Bigfoot confirmed by the Government?
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
The Adirondack area in New York State is just one of many 'hotspots' around the US and there are also some highly strange UFO cryptid antics (concurrent 'flaps') described in the vid below.



https://youtu.be/sYdJBWlwF7s

Ahhhh. That's a good one. Plus, I am housebound and filled with a dangerous amount of caffeine right now.

I am aware of Stan Gordon via a few podcast interviews, probably The Paracast and only was only vaguely aware of this incident. Bartholomew seems like he's done some good work collecting various regional accounts, casts, etc. Half the game is at least documenting what happened before it's forgotten or corrupted by the passage of time.

My out of state relatives thought New York was all about NYC and in fact NYC believes it is the entire state but actually isn't. The great majority of it is a vast sparsely populated howling wilderness, much more rugged that many might expect. Stan Gordon's Pennsylvania is the same and I have zero problem believing that some undiscovered hominid could exist and that we'd barely be aware of it if at all.

Here's the problem - I noted it starts abut the 2:00 minute mark.

An object that landed and left an imprint documented by local police? Fantastic ! Plaster casts ! Great, keep it coming !

But............ he's doing what irritates me most: The Gathering. Something I mentioned obliquely in an earlier post.

OK, unrelated to all this I've dealt many times with family and friends who are really upset over something. Not only is there one thing which is really the problem, it's human nature to collect all the ills of the world and lump them together to add weight to your personal misery. That's what I call The Gathering - just sweeping up other stuff that may or may not (probably not) be directly relevant to whatever happens to be up their *** at that moment.

At about 2:00 Bartholomew started weaving incidents in 'Hartford' and 'sensitive nuclear facilities in Rockland County'.

Here's the problem. Mentioning 'sensitive nuclear facilities' certainly evokes a certain image, right ? Well, they were in Westchester County, not Rockland and were simply the Indian point Nuclear Power Plant. I've been there many times and if I could mind-meld you the visual it is not exactly impressive - quite the opposite. Bartholomew is mixing the Hudson Valley Wave and the fantastically stupid account of security guards shooting at UFOs over that facility. I've written ad nauseum on this topic right here and won't repeat it but what this man is doing is 'gathering' in things that don't fit and are not a value added service.

Whitehall and Buchanan, NY are not particularly close to one another (two hours driving at interstate speed) and differ in terms of geography. So, by adding in (what I think) is nothing more than poorly vetted ufology lore accepted without thought that does a disservice to the woman who had a friggin' thing land on her lawn or the people who saw the cryptid. There are a few people who saw some really weird **** here in the Hudson Valley during that 'wave' that were basically ignored because their accounts didn't fit the artificial narrative that had been deliberately created.

This man may or may not be doing what Stan Gordon is, I suspect he's a bit less careful with his data collection. Certainly, he hasn't quite figured out the necktie thing.......

I intend to revisit Stan because he really has some odd cases. I can say that the Whitehall area shares a lot in common from Albany to the west to Springfield MA in the east and to points north up to Plattsburgh NY and Burlington VT. That's the general Adirondack Park region. The geography's important and often overlooked.

I guess these are those weeds I talked about and I think some trimming is necessary to get to the bottom of things. Gabe Valdez's account of chasing an orb really does sound a lot like what Paul Bennewitz saw at the Monzano facility (an actual sensitive nuclear facility) in the same general area and time, relatively speaking, not to mention other more recent accounts that bear similarities but I am very reluctant to do any 'gathering' and make assumptions and start weaving together a narrative bases on feelings not facts.

Crytpids and UFOs are weird enough for me by themselves thanks without having to go out and gather something else to schmeer on top. Look at it this way - if these things and cattle mutilations are connected in some way (an they seem to be at least sometimes) you'd think that cumulatively they might leave a few more bread crumbs to follow .
 
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karl 12

Noble
Really appreciate that post mate and will reply to other points.when time allows - regarding that short.Adirondack video and Abair Bigfoot (and UFO) flap spread over one week in 1976 there's the full version of Breedlove's documentary linked below - it features some pretty freaky eyewitness testimony from town residents (including police officers) - burnt rubber smell and glowing red eyes also reported.

Also accounts of police officers being ordered never to discuss their experiences by superiors, missing police log books and UFO activity around the same time and area.







Please forgive posting a large section of Bonenfant's private notes but certain article links have a funny way of disappearing these days.


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1976 Whitehall, NY Bigfoot Sightings in Conjunction with UFO Activity

Private Notes By Richard Bonenfant, Ph.D.

At the time I was interested in a flurry of UFO activity taking place in upstate New York and on my free time would investigate some of the UFO sightings that came to my attention in my immediate vicinity. On August 25, 1976 I received a telephone call from Ray Fowler, a well known UFO investigation and author living near Boston. Ray informed me that the FAA had received reports of UFO activity near Whitehall, NY some two hours or so north of where I lived in Delmar. He asked if I would follow-up on these sighting reports. When I agreed to do so, he directed me to initiate the investigation by contacting a NY State trooper in Whitehall by the name of Donovan.

I contacted Trooper Donovan as requested. He verified the sighting of large object accompanied by two smaller red ones at Scott Lake near Whitehall by some 15 witnesses. In passing he then added that strange reports were also coming in of a “big hairy animal” around Whitehall. For further information, I was referred to a Whitehall police patrolman by the name of Brian Gosselin.

Unfortunately, I was unable to reach Patrolman Gosselin that day but left my name and telephone number for further contact. On the following day I received a call from a Whitehall Police Department desk sergeant who told me (off-the-record) that they had in fact received several reports from reliable witnesses of a large, 8 foot tall, hairy ape creature in the countryside surrounding Whitehall. He further informed me that photos and even a plaster cast of the creature’s footprints had been made. I was further told to see witness Darin Lamphere about the affair and referred to the Washington County Sherriff’s Department. When I asked if I could examine their log book for further additional references to the unusual creature, the sergeant told me that I would need clearance from Chief Williams to order do so. Unfortunately, I was never able to reach the man.

That same day, August 26, 1976, I spoke to Deputy Walter Kruger of the Washington County Sheriff’s Department. Deputy Kruger was only able to tell me about the UFOs sighting they had received and who to contact about these sighting but nothing was forthcoming about the hairy creature sightings in Whitehall.

On Friday, August 27, 1988, I received two collect calls from Officer Brian Gosselin. The officer confirmed the local UFO sightings but then also volunteered that he himself had encountered the strange hairy animal everyone was talking about from a distance of only 20 feet. The creature was described as being unusually tall, stood on two legs, and must have weighed about 350 pounds. Furthermore, it had large red eyes, long arms and was covered with dark brown hair.

Officer Gosselin said he came upon the creature one night while on patrol. He first detected the creature when illuminated by his headlights as it crossed the road ahead of his patrol car. When he came upon it, the creature “screamed like a woman,” flung its arm over its eyes, and ran into a nearby field. When he turned his spotlight in the area where it had departed, he saw large, reflective, nocturnal eyes off in the distance. The officer also mentioned that the creature moved as if heavy weights were attached to arms and legs. A state police patrol car happen to arrived at the scene moments later and the troopers within also spotted the creature before it departed into the deeper woods.

When questioned about a possible association of the creature with UFO sightings in the area, Officer Gosselin reported that he felt the sightings were independent of one another and went on to say that there have been several historical reports of such a creature around the area; sightings that many silent witnesses refuse to make known.

On Saturday, September 4, 1976 I went to Whitehall accompanied by my father-in-law to investigate UFO sighting in the region. While there visited Officer Gosselin at home where he filled sighting questionnaire both about UFOs and his bigfoot sighting. It was then that I learned the he had observed the bigfoot creature from his patrol car on two occasion on the night of Wednesday, August 24th. It was observed at the almost the same locating of a similar sighting the previous evening by another witness named Marty Paddock.

During the interview I learned that the creatures hair appeared to be longer about the head. Officer Gosselin also added that the creatures movements were “slow and deliberate.” He then led us to the sites where he had encountered the hairy creature. The second site was about a mile further away than the first one. While there I told by Officer Gosselin that a local man in the area had even taken a shot at the creature. This time the Officer admitted that UFOs sightings had occurred in the same general location as these bigfoot sightings..

I offer this summary because of occasional reports of bigfoot-like creatures reported in concert with, or in proximity to, UFO sightings. It is not my intention to advance the hypothesis that these two phenomena are related. Rather I feel that I would be remiss by not reporting the sighting because of personal discomfort in doing so. I hope my account and the accompanying sketch will prove useful to other researches investigating this particularly aspect of the UFO phenomenon.

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As for Stan Gordon it's stated ex intel/police/military/scientists etc. worked with him in the 'Westmorland County UFO Study Group' so would imagine that helps their credibility somewhat.

Here's the most recent interview I could find with Gordon and he states that although he started out initially sceptical.. after 65 years of research he reckons something extremely strange going on lol.

Some pretty wild reports I hadn't heard before discussed in this video.



Cheers.
 

karl 12

Noble
Also some pretty relevant chat with author Ronnie Le Blanc about an area of very high activity around Leominster near Lancaster, Massachusetts.


From 27:30

https://youtu.be/Ag6ddIy4iOc



:Learn about the history of UFO sightings in Massachusetts as well as Bigfoot encounters that continue to this day in and around Leominster State Forest. What Ronny suggests...is controversial. What if all of these phenomena is connected?

There are sightings of UFOS, Bigfoot and Orange Orbs. They have been coming and going for years. But where are they coming from? Why are they here? It seems that the state of Massachusetts has had a long history of sightings and encounters with these mysterious entities and they are occurring in the present day.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Really appreciate that post mate and will reply to other points.when time allows - regarding that short.Adirondack video and Abair Bigfoot (and UFO) flap spread over one week in 1976 there's the full version of Breedlove's documentary linked below - it features some pretty freaky eyewitness testimony from town residents (including police officers) - burnt rubber smell and glowing red eyes also reported.

Also accounts of police officers being ordered never to discuss their experiences by superiors, missing police log books and UFO activity around the same time and area.




View: https://youtu.be/z6LClQQkqhA



Please forgive posting a large section of Bonenfant's private notes but certain article links have a funny way of disappearing these days.


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As for Stan Gordon it's stated ex intel/police/military/scientists etc. worked with him in the 'Westmorland County UFO Study Group' so would imagine that helps their credibility somewhat.

Here's the most recent interview I could find with Gordon and he states that although he started out initially sceptical.. after 65 years of research he reckons something extremely strange going on lol.

Some pretty wild reports I hadn't heard before discussed in this video.

https://youtu.be/XPF372doAwU

Cheers.

I just watched the first video 'The Beast of Whitehall Director's Cut' and have a few off the cuff thoughts.

The eyewitnesses and the story perfectly believable. Something to consider: the police departments at that time were slightly different. I grew up in Hyde Park, NY during the 60s and 70s and graduated elementary school in the summer 1976. It was nowhere near as rural and isolated as Whitehall but everything else appeared to be the same.

Many small towns and villages didn't have a police department, or a full time one anyway. The cops were volunteers with other day jobs that may or may not have had any real training. At that time in Hyde Park we had one part time cop and one car. He was a bumble but sincere. He destroyed the car shortly after they gave it to him.

The County Sheriff's department normally took responsibility 24/7 for police calls and the State Troopers backed them up. That meant you might have 3-5 men in the entire county awake overnight and not all of them would be out on patrol and statistically it would be doubtful one is nearby when you need them.

Turns out our town cop had a penchant for young children and at that time the deputy sheriff most likely to arrive if called was a guy you sort of wish hadn't actually shown up. Alcoholic, as I understand it. Unpleasant piece of work, that one. The Troopers were and still are the professionals but even at that I've known too many to know they are quite human with no lack of faults like anybody else.

My point behind this is that the description of the police activity, the missing log - all that - sounds 100% accurate to me. The teasing, the stigma that would normally go along with that sort of thing was quite real and I can easily believe some refused to talk at all or that the log books went missing. Sounds like the local PD was on the job for once. It also sounds like it must've been quite the stir to get that many copes together on one task - as I've mentioned they were spread thin.

In other words, I have a pretty good feel for the place, the context of the situation, the behavior of the police and again, have no problem believing an undiscovered hominid is out there. Personally, if I were there I would have given some thought to the Remington 870 12ga that was very likely bolted into about every patrol car of that era. Even for a bear a handgun's a poor choice. A .38/.357 is apt to just piss them off. More likely I'd be scared ****less like everyone else.

UFOs ? Nope, sorry. He's Gathering and doesn't need to, the creature sightings are more than adequate. The thing that landed on Whitehall's 2nd Ave, the one they documented - absolutely. Interesting. But to connect that creature to the Hudson Valley Wave and the pestilential nuke plant or Hartford fer chrissakes is literally a stretch and a bad one at that.

I'll have a look at the next one, thanks.
 

karl 12

Noble
Yes indeed mate the missing police logs sound familiar in the literature (just like missing Naval logbooks) and can well believe certain officers back then were brave enough to tell the truth.

Did you ever catch this vid from the Massachusetts flap?

Also claims of missing police log books.


https://youtu.be/pm7NhOKl_5A?



Cheers!
 

karl 12

Noble
This author below made a lot of sense to me.

Just like this guy..

https://youtu.be/ndPN2knTdSE

..the people who are actually involved in collating reports (and not just cowardly editing them out) see 'loads' of high strangeness correlations going on.

Thought the author brought up some great observations about cryptids, poltergeist and UFO phenomena and as usual I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

https://youtu.be/sbs7HXhQeRg

Cheers.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
It might sound silly but getting my YT app properly synced across multiple devices caused bad words to flow from my mouth. Corrected.

It's no coincidence that people were seeing creatures with essentially the same description in multiple locations across the eastern/southern US, the only real differences seem to be the number of toes and fingers. They describe a huge creature with glowing red eyes that walks like a man and has hands. They are not strictly a Pacific NW phenomenon although the descriptions differ slightly. As I've said, I think it's something quite real and much too human-like for anyone to just kill when confronted.

Good podcast with descriptions of several incidents that are virtually identical.


View: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/monstro-bizarro/id1618958655
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
When I was talking about the police it was for context and here's a bit more.

What else was happening in the summer of 1976 ? This is from memory but I think 75 was when Jaws came out and that created the 'summer blockbuster' trend. Mysterious half seen monsters that the authorities deny was a popular theme. I can't help but wonder if that served to amp people up a bit, even subconsciously.

Charles Berlitz and self-confessed ufological bullshit artist Bill Moore also dropped The Bermuda Triangle in 74 and that Chariots of the Gods were hugely popular, I remember going to a conference on that at a big IBM facility. J Allen Hynek was in the area delivering lectures at local colleges - but I may have the dates wrong on that, it might've been a year or two later.

Not that those have any direct bearing on our hairy friend but it does mean that by 76 our zeitgeist was well steeped and receptive in a way it would not have been ten years earlier or maybe even ten years later.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Some pretty wild reports I hadn't heard before discussed in this video.



Cheers.


Stan had an entire roll of quarters in him that day, eh? Quite an energetic fellow. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says but the depth and breadth of his experience is undeniable. I particularly like the state trooper who encountered the ... whatever it was ... directly.

Yeah, I can see some connection between a silver sphere sitting on some woman's lawn in Whitehall to cryptid reports. Why IDK but there does seem to be one. Have to be careful with that though. People like Dr.Jeff Meldrum or Dr. Todd Disotell did not put their careers at risk for woo-woo, they are looking for an unknown hominid and people like that are the ones who can provide genuine scientific answers not more speculation.

OK, a minor detail but one I mention. Stan describes someone using a 'thirty ought six' on one of these, same as what was used on the Dire Wolf (for lack of a better description) without effect by Terry Sherman @ Skinwalker Ranch. He also mentions a woman who unloaded her '16 gauge shotgun' into some hairy beast that simply vanished.

When I hear tracer ammo I instantly know that's probably AP surplus, as in Armor Piercing. I probably have some packed away. Firearms are one thing, ammunition is a related but separate concern and not all firearm owners/shooters are interested in that part of it. Hunters are and will understand what I am about to say. It's a geekout you can skip, it's optional.

The descriptions of the firearms in use (and from the Whitehall accounts) seem intended to make these weapons sound incredibly powerful and that's the thing that makes me wince slightly when I hear them. When I hear 'tracer' for .30-06 it almost certainly is military surplus AP - armor piercing. IDK about now but in the past it was everywhere and cheap. The bullet is designed to penetrate and not expand. Standard 'full metal jacket' or 'ball' military ammo is about the same with slightly less penetration, no expansion and designed to wound not necessarily kill anything. Through and through wounds are much more likely with those, especially AP. You couldn't humanely hunt deer with that stuff because unless your shot broke a bone it will likely run off and suffer until you do or do not find it again.

Ammo for hunting has different physical characteristics like partial jackets and soft lead noses that are designed to penetrate and then expand to cause massive tissue damage. That's why those big heavy soft slow lead Civil War Minie balls caused such horrifying wounds necessitating amputation - it was as much about the wound as the state of the science at the time, a modern ER would likely have to do the same thing with such damage. Modern shotguns can propel a heavy soft lead slug that'll sit-down-right-now just about anything on Earth at short range, assuming shot placement was sufficient. Shot from about any shotgun will not bring down a huge predator like that. It'll mess it up, maybe eventually kill it but not before it eats you.

When I hear about firing these powerful weapons with no effect I immediately think that adrenaline probably made the person miss and if they were using the ammo described I can see it having not much immediate effect. Even experienced shooters can suffer the adrenal rush and I'd imagine under those circumstances that must be amped up to the max.

Of course, a nearby huge UFO disappearing into a puff of smoke or an animal wandering away casually with hunks of flesh blown off belong in the Seriously Weird Shit file no matter what you shot at it.
 

karl 12

Noble
It's no coincidence that people were seeing creatures with essentially the same description in multiple locations across the eastern/southern US, the only real differences seem to be the number of toes and fingers. They describe a huge creature with glowing red eyes that walks like a man and has hands. They are not strictly a Pacific NW phenomenon although the descriptions differ slightly. As I've said, I think it's something quite real and much too human-like for anyone to just kill when confronted.


Bravo for those posts mate and appreciate the genuine discussion - very refreshing stuff lol.

Regarding large, hulking, mysterious 'red eyed' creatures interesting to note that John Keel initially went to Point Pleasant to investigate the huge UFO flap in the area.. only for it then to become Mothman central.

Apparently quite a lot of strange UFO activity (and even mutes) being reported in a relatively short timeframe in a localised area.

Thought I'd read quite a bit on 'Mothman' but found there to be some great new nuggets in this interview (would link a free copy to Keel's book but it's not in the public domain lol).



https://youtu.be/M6T-Wn1XSb8


Cheers.

PS thanks for the podcast - off to watch
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Don Jeffrey "Jeff" Meldrum is an expert in primate locomotion who was once handed a plaster foot impression that apparently caused him to have quite an epiphany on the subject. He recognized a broken foot that had healed badly, meaning that he found something that was absolutely not hoaxed that convinced him he was looking at a real creature with enormous feet.

Here's a quickie on that tarsal break.

Bigfoot Anatomy

You'd think the weird glowing light spaceship people would have a better medical plan for those big fellers.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Don Jeffrey "Jeff" Meldrum is an expert in primate locomotion who was once handed a plaster foot impression that apparently caused him to have quite an epiphany on the subject. He recognized a broken foot that had healed badly, meaning that he found something that was absolutely not hoaxed that convinced him he was looking at a real creature with enormous feet.

Here's a quickie on that tarsal break.

Bigfoot Anatomy

You'd think the weird glowing light spaceship people would have a better medical plan for those big fellers.

What an awesome read, thanks, really enjoyed that...I know there are many people don't accept big feet plaster castings as evidence of Bigfoot, but I do...Glad to see someone like Meldrum sees these prints as legitimate evidence...

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karl 12

Noble
Great article mate - think I'm correct in saying that one of the more impressive prints that Meldrum studied came from Deputy Sheriff Jim Akin - here's his story and it's a rather freaky one lol ("Peanuuut")




View: https://youtu.be/VQ-wFGsHMU8



Also, certainly don't concur with everything he"s got to say (and it's a pretty wild ride) but thought this interview with Ron Morehead definitely deserved a post.




View: https://youtu.be/MwENeW82oX4



Here is the audio.

Cheers.
 

karl 12

Noble
What an awesome read, thanks, really enjoyed that...I know there are many people don't accept big feet plaster castings as evidence of Bigfoot, but I do...Glad to see someone like Meldrum sees these prints as legitimate evidence...

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Don't know if you ever caught it mate but here's Meldrum and Dolan having a chat - would also say the files of Bobby Short, John Wilson Greene and Dr John Albert Bindernagel are seriously worth a look.




View: https://youtu.be/WXEFDPNyPXg


Cheers.
 
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