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Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, Oct 15, 2017.

  1. pigfarmer

    pigfarmer tall, thin, irritable

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    Yup. It's just a form of entertainment for most, including me. I admit it's a hobby interest. But tell that to the innumerable individuals and groups who study all sorts of Fortean phenomena and take themselves so very seriously.

    Skeptics come in many flavors. I am skeptical but not closed minded and have no point to prove. There have been far too many kooks and hoaxes and frauds for me to be otherwise. If someone wants to do some 'serious research' into the topic, whatever that approach may be, then I say have at it and don't let my layman's opinions stop you. Publish the findings in a peer reviewed journal and let peers chew on it. That's what they're there for. But if presented with some 'evidence' you'll get my opinion, and if it isn't respected I don't care as long as it's polite.

    As for wasting precious resources - studying photographs falls into that category also. What can be gained from it other than conclusively proving a hoax? Compelling yes. Proof, no.
     
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  2. pigfarmer

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    I see your point, we don't really know what's in the picture. Not sure if you see mine, which is basically that nitpicking back and forth over these details is not worth the effort. Beyond proving a hoax the best you might hope for with 'the real deal' is another WTF picture. Compelling but distracting.

    As for it being a truck mirror, well, crap. I hold a CDL and have been working on vehicles my whole life. It's possible I know just maybe one or two things about trucks, mirrors, vehicle restoration and so forth, and also know about the long history of hoaxes and misidentification etc. That's why I looked at it and said that. Fair enough - that can be called dismissive.

    There are those who excruciatingly research details about minutia for the purposes of restoration, usually because they are going to be judged and awarded merit by specialist organizations. Even with things you might think would be fairly common are not so easily proven. Factory records get lost and destroyed, or weren't kept so meticulously in the first place. Aftermarket parts come and go with little or no documentation, and then there are the fabricated or modified pieces that people make themselves. Just like the UFO arena there are incredible disagreements over things that those outside that narrow focus find hard to understand.

    Finding that exact mirror might not be so easy as you suggest. Again, the potential result doesn't justify the effort.
     
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  3. pigfarmer

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    What evidence? There is zero that I am aware of. Lots of bear shit, hair, blurry photos and the like. If the existence of a creature can be proven without harming a hair on it's .... whatever ... then I'm all for it. But if you look back at the last century or so of 'scientific discovery' in this arena it hasn't worked out too well for the animals involved.

    And before we get too far off topic, I quoted Grover Krantz's statement knowing full well it was inflammatory to make a point relevant to this thread, which is this:

    Scientifically proving the reality of some particular strange phenomenon is the Holy Grail, but even if obtained conveying that to the the rest of the scientific community and the general public is no simple task and the bar is set particularly high when we're discussing topics that have been in pop culture for decades. For people to actually believe, or change long held beliefs - if that actually matters - the message has to be short & sweet & direct & unequivocal. Like a corpse - which BTW is why the scientific community finally accepted that gorillas exist after years of eyewitness testimony and speculation.

    Oh, and I will say that if I ever find myself going into the deep woods on the lookout for an eight to ten foot tall thousand pound monster you can bet your ass I'll be toting a 12 gauge stoked with slugs out of common sense, not to collect evidence.
     
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  4. Dejan Corovic

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    Yeah, I watched two documentaries on YT (but lost links ;-( ) where two different researchers were in possesion of DNA samples. One researcher was a woman, she sent samples to a lab without telling them it was sasquatch. Lab responded with "oh, you discovered new species" etc. etc. Another researcher, in another documentary, was a high profile biologist with 20+ years in academia. Some amater researchers discovered a deer bone piles (two or three of them) in a vicinity of Mt. Helena vulcano. Apparently some anymals was marking teritory by neatly arranging bones in criss-cross patern and making small towers. Some of deer bones had saliva and bite marks, so professor sent it to a lab and prof. submitted full report to a regular peer review scientific magazine. As I remember, both researchers were talking about DNA showing that susqwatch was a hybrid animal, like a mule, not a new species. Like a cross between human and a primate.

    It is accepted in biology that in North Vietnam there used to live a primate which was taller than 2 meters (6 ft). They keep its bones in museums etc. There are confirmed stories from Russia about viligers keeping a female primate in a captivity so they can have sex with her. Primate female gave birth to a hybrid and hybrid's grave was dug up and DNA sampled. Etc. etc. you need to dig on YT.
     
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  5. pigfarmer

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    I thought a new thread for our hairy friend might be a good idea Does a bear s**t in the woods?
     
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  6. Creepy Green Light

    Creepy Green Light I'd rather not care than to be aware

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    Exactly - like I said, especially with the effort of Thomas Morrison using a computer to overlay both objects - to me, that solidifies a truck mirror. It's not worth the time or effort in spending years looking for that exact mirror. All I need to know that it IS a mirror. Same thing with Heflin's train wheel.
     
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  7. humanoidlord

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    i haven't decided what to think of that one, but i would guess somebody else would see the gigantic UFO
     
  8. pigfarmer

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    I remember seeing many of the old B&W pics in UFO Magazine (or something similar) when I was a kid in the early '70s. Amazing we're still looking at them as if they'll make themselves useful somehow.
     
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  9. pigfarmer

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    Hmmmm ....
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  10. humanoidlord

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    well tell me something interesting that happened in ufology in the last 10 years
     
  11. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    To me his posts solidifies the fact in my mind it is not a truck mirror at all...

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  12. Creepy Green Light

    Creepy Green Light I'd rather not care than to be aware

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  13. Creepy Green Light

    Creepy Green Light I'd rather not care than to be aware

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    I respect your opinion - but in my mind, it's incomprehensible to think that anybody would not think it's a truck mirror.
     
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  14. nivek

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    Here's the thing, if it's a truck mirror then it shouldn't be difficult to find an image or diagram or something that is an exact match in every way because there's weren't many truck mirrors being made during that time period but nothing had been presented over the years that is an exact match because it's not...So I find it equally incomprehensible that someone who would think it was a mirror of all things...

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  15. Standingstones

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  16. pigfarmer

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    This is why I mentioned our hairy bipedal cousin. Look at that damned Patterson-Gimlin film. It is, it isn't, it couldn't possibly be, it couldn't possibly not be. Has it helped? This is why I referred to photos and videos as a tomato juice bath; gives us something to do until real change occurs.

    It's a sure bet that if there ever were a landing in Times Square and the video were broadcast around the world live that a certain segment would fail to believe it. Maybe even decades later there would be people staring at some minute detail which they think proves it was all a hoax
     
  17. michael59

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    True dat! I've met people that think the Holocaust was a hoax.
     
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  18. Creepy Green Light

    Creepy Green Light I'd rather not care than to be aware

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    Actually, there are a lot of truck mirrors going back to the 30's, 40', & 50's. I have one in my basket on eBay that I'm going to buy after the holidays & see what I can come up with to simulate Trent's photos.

    Here's the other question I have for you; do you just not believe its a truck mirror but believe it's another object & a hoax? Or do you think it's a flying saucer? Being that Trent's photos show structured detail - it can only be either a hoax or a flying saucer - any other prosaic object is ruled out.
     
  19. pigfarmer

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    as I said in #802 regarding car parts:

    There are those who excruciatingly research details about minutia for the purposes of restoration, usually because they are going to be judged and awarded merit by specialist organizations. Even with things you might think would be fairly common are not so easily proven. Factory records get lost and destroyed, or weren't kept so meticulously in the first place. Aftermarket parts come and go with little or no documentation, and then there are the fabricated or modified pieces that people make themselves. Just like the UFO arena there are incredible disagreements over things that those outside that narrow focus find hard to understand. Finding that exact mirror might not be so easy as you suggest

    And if you do find the exact truck mirror, well OK .... does that change anything?
     
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  20. nivek

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    There were a lot less around back then in comparison to now, a lot less people driving them too...

    No I do not think it was a flying saucer, saucers don't fly they are thrown, and I do not think it was a hoax, no evidence for that...I am still of the notion it was an alien craft of some sort, not terrestrial in origin...

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