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Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, Oct 15, 2017.

  1. pigfarmer

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    Interesting and understandable, but just a word of caution about many in this field who like to add speculation to speculation and before you know it zero plus zero equals something other than zero.
     
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  2. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Unapologetic Rationalist & Grand Regent of Taraka

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    I've seen some of the discussion in that online MADAR group, and those guys take it seriously. Peter Davenport and some other earnest folks are actively involved in it. They're not trying to hock some rubbish; they're actually working to collect empirical evidence to corroborate sighting events, and they've connected several signals to sightings iirc. The silly-looking unit that CGL posted a video about has nothing to do with the MADAR group - I'm starting to think that misdirection and debunked arguments are all he has to offer. The MADAR group seems to have a pretty sophisticated unit that's connected to a dedicated online server:

    "The DataProbe has its own onboard 1.2 GHz cmputer and the network has a dedicated MADARNET server running 24/7"
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    I just don't think that it's sufficient: I much prefer Davenport's other idea - to create a passive radar network. A system like that could actually track anomalous objects in the sky in real time, and with the right coding, it can even give you the size and shape of the objects it detects. But that's a much larger and more challenging project. I think it might be possible with the right engineers and a solid crowdfunding program. There are lots of additional benefits to such a system as well - for example, it could've alerted us to the hijacked planes in the 9/11 attacks, and shown us their flight paths on an online display screen. It could also show us where tornadoes are forming and where they're heading, among other things.

    Granted, I'm speculating that there may be a connection between the Hannah McRoberts photo and the object that Trevor described on the gun camera video, but the descriptions are notably similar. So that's just one layer of reasonable speculation. If we're not willing to do that much, then there isn't much left to talk about. I'd like to hear what Trevor would have to say about that photo; if I ever get the chance I'll ask him if he sees a resemblance.

    In any case, dramatic accelerations are a common feature of sighting reports. And I assume that such accelerations explain the many "sudden disappearances" that many witnesses have described - it's absolutely impossible to see an object move when it accelerates from a dead stop to Mach 30 in an instant; to the human eye it would simply vanish. And that's what Trevor and Kevin Day reported seeing on their radar screens. Unfortunately, Kevin didn't get to see the close-proximity optical gun camera footage, so Trevor's description of that hasn't been confirmed.
     
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  3. humanoidlord

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    don't discuss the nimitz please, TTSA had all the time in the world to prove they were saying the truth, yet 2 years later nothing happened
     
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  4. humanoidlord

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    actually, nope
    the guy behind the MADAR project (fran ridge) has been doing it since the early 70's, originally he din't plan to make and sell them, just to make a homemade one to put in his home, he did detect some odd readings but nothing conclusive, he abandoned the project in the 90's, and only re-started the project in 2014 and only started selling units in 2017
     
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  5. Creepy Green Light

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    The plane I flew on in the U.S. Navy has a MAD boom on the back of it. If we fly low over the ocean (200-350 ft) and pass right over a submerged submarine (it has to be fairly close to the surface) a scribe will start zig zagging across scrolling gram paper at the radar operators station where he'll yell out on the intercom "madman! madman! madman!" and we'll fire out some sonobuoys. The submarine puts a disturbance in the Earths magnetic field the same way a flying saucer will create a disturbance. Who knew the entire time I was flying that I had a giant flying saucer detector on the back of the plane? madboom.jpg
     
  6. humanoidlord

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    yep thats pretty much how the MADAR works, but it tries to find "bigger" magnetic anomalies
     
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  7. pigfarmer

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    Fair enough - reasonable speculation. I agree they look similar but really have no opinion about either until something changes.

    MADAR units do seem clever and may have some merit. Never heard of them until just now. Another member of the Internet of Things and it makes perfect sense to take advantage of the networks so commonly available. Why not? Home automation is doing so very nicely. I'd like to see a more technical explanation of exactly what the capability of that unit is - what it can detect, at what range, to what end etc. I wonder why someone like Chris O'Brien would choose to do his own thing when something that appears so similar on the surface exists. Probably not sophisticated enough for his purposes. You would think simple & quick & here right now would have some advantage over complex & capable & taking forever to implement.
     
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  8. Castle-Yankee54

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    I'd just like to see some reports or images from Connecticut. According to some nutcase from AU I used to live in a UFO hotspot.

    I'll save my money.....lol.
     
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  9. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Unapologetic Rationalist & Grand Regent of Taraka

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    I'll discuss whatever I want, thanks. TTSA has given us everything that they could give us regarding the USS Nimitz case - the testimonies of two Black Aces fighter pilots and two radar operators who saw the amazing radar tracks of several objects during the two weeks or so of those incidents, and the brief and blurry video clip that somehow got declassified and released, and the unofficial/unclassified case summary that the AATIP wrote about the case. I'm having trouble recalling any other case in history with that much credible supporting evidence.

    What more could they possibly provide, without breaking the law and releasing classified data? Remember, this is America, where we imprison and torture people who leak classified data (unless you're a vile corporatist puppet like Hillary Clinton whose entire life exists to serve the existing power establishment - then you can steal ORICON intelligence and store it in your basement with impunity).

    Chris O'Brien's portable observatories are a far more advanced beast than those little MADAR units - have you seen what he's got? He's managed to pull together a video system with auto-tracking and auto-zoom, with a wireless cellular uplink so he can stream all of the data online in real time. He also has an array of instrumentation including a magnetometer and a gravitimeter. His system is like having a witness in a remote hotspot area 24/7 with a sophisticated video camera system and supporting scientific instrumentation. I love that project - it's incredibly ambitious and well-conceived. Short of a nation-wide passive radar network, Chris' project is the best way to collect the hard empirical data that everyone's clamoring for.

    The MADAR project is a well-meaning and easily implemented idea, but it doesn't provide much data - I don't know if it even gives you the direction to the signal. It certainly can't give you the range without knowing the strength and configuration of the field, which of course are unknowns. I think it just detects a magnetic disturbance in the general vicinity. And I mean - nearly all of our vast and ubiquitous technological base is electromagnetic in nature, so that kind of system must go off every time a transformer blows. There are so many ways that our culture can produce a magnetic spike that the possibilities are endless...sifting any significant anomalous signal from the noise seems like a fool's errand to me.
     
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  10. Castle-Yankee54

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    I'm wondering how they calibrate the cameras for these MADAR gadgets. Being designed to pick up anomalies is the best way to start.....but the best they'll still do is find UFO's like we've always done. I'm sure some will still be birds, balloons or aircraft.
     
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  11. pigfarmer

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    Regardless of their specific capabilities I think the MADAR units were an idea ahead of their time. Had to wait until we became virtually saturated in broadband access so that any data collected can be rapidly disseminated. Not really doing anything all that much different than Alexa. Now that their time has arrived they ought to revisit the way they are marketing/packaging that unit.
     
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  12. pigfarmer

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    You too, eh? All I see is planes, balloons, birds, more planes ....... did I mention BIG planes?
     
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  13. Castle-Yankee54

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    In my case it was just commercial aircraft...….:Whistle:
     
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  14. nivek

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  15. humanoidlord

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    and how thats amazing? there have been a bunch of radar-visual cases before, they aren't a new thing
    also the analysys of the UFO metal appears to have been cancelled, at least the time is up
     
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  17. Creepy Green Light

    Creepy Green Light Don't mistake lack of talent for genius

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    Whats the link to O'Brien's SLV project? I know there was a lot of hoopla about it in Sept, 2018 - but then it conked out with some technical issues. There's all kinds of links out there regarding it but they are links to O'Briens web site, his gofundme site, etc. Where is the link that takes you into the SLV project itself?
     
  18. Thomas R. Morrison

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    It's funny to see you wetting your pants about the materials analyses that they're doing - if just one of their samples is exotic technology, then your banal "Loki trickster god" notion will be flushed down the toilet once and for all, thank god. So now you're even making up fake news about them "cancelling" the project, lol, or "running out of time" - total BS. Scientific analysis of something like this takes a lot of time, but they'll probably release their results by this summer. The timeline isn't important - doing a thorough analysis is.

    The radar tracks in the Nimitz case are amazing because the objects were seen dropping from 28K feet to about 50ft above the ocean in .78 second, which gives an average speed of 24,000 mph, or about Mach 31. That's more than an order of magnitude faster than a high-speed rifle bullet. And they performed that maneuver repeatedly, dropping down to the surface of the ocean when approached by jet interceptors, and then hopping back up to their 28K-feet cruising altitude in the same .78 second time interval when the jets departed the area. The technology to perform such maneuvers is so far beyond any conceivable human technology that there's basically no room for doubt: those craft were extraterrestrial. And they saw fleets of them over the course of many days.

    When have two top fighter pilots and two military radar operators - all attached to one of our most elite carrier groups - ever come forward with an account like this? Never, as far as I can recall. The Nimitz case is probably the most significant UFO case in history.
     
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  19. pigfarmer

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    There was an incident in the early 1950s with the USS Roosevelt and its battle group.

    Not exactly a scholarly reference but its what's on the menu right now: USS Franklin D. Roosevelt (CV-42)
     
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  20. Creepy Green Light

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    Never heard of it - thanks for sharing.
     

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