Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, Oct 15, 2017.
I remember seeing photos of that awhile ago didn't they say it was a few kilometers long ?
John MacDonald UFO photo. John Macdonald says this photograph was taken at Rossie Ochil, Perthshire, whilst driving home to Dysart, Fife on Sunday 6 March, 2016 at around 11 p.m.
UFOs Light Up The Scottish Sky | HuffPost
A sketch I did of what I think we are seeing (with a road drawn in). Many UFOs like Cocoyoc seem to be made of a flexible programmable matter.
The Lubbock Lights juxtaposed with Scottish photo, so it is easy to see the similarity of the lights:
"For nearly two years, a Montana man has kept two cameras pointed at the sky with the deep hope and belief that something might be out there. And then, after nearly 280,000 photos, it happened. Or maybe not. But his findings of what he believes are two unidentified flying objects have the community of UFO fans and experts abuzz. Who is this guy? Dr. Richard O'Connor is a retired anesthesiologist. And he says that as a boy in 1947 he touched wreckage from the UFO crash in Roswell, N.M. — his dad was one of the investigators. Paging Mulder and Skully."
The Short List: NORAD tracks Santa, violent storms, UFOs
Thanks for posting that Dejan,, I remember these pictures [there were five in all, the one you posted was the best of them] from a few years ago .. it's one of those pictures that looks too good to be true, and so probably is. But just like all of these good UFO photos, well never really know for sure? .. I mean, if the photographic experts from the official centres can't even agree about it's validity with their hands-on technical resources , then what chance have we armchair researchers got? ... oh, of course you'll inevitably get a whole slew of biased armchair debunkers that claim special technical-abilities [backed by the words scientific and critical thinking] that totally 'debunk' the picture and the guy's integrity [to their own satisfaction] and proclaim 'the job done' ... but in reality all that they have to go on is the same as us! ... A decent looking picture on a computer screen with no way of really knowing what they are looking at ... but unlike us, they have already made their minds up that it's a fake because they know there are no flying saucers!
And so, all of the open minded viewers can do is scan the picture hoping that there just might be some tell-tale sign of validity, and then try to assess the character of the guy that presented the photo's.
... here he is, a YT film with O'Connor talking about [his obsession] Dr. Jesse Marcel jr...
... and here is his website ... Crop Circles Research Foundation | “ADOPT. ADAPT. EVOLVE.”
... now I don't know about you mate, but [and I hate to say it] I can't put my finger on it, but I wouldn't feel comfortable about buying a 'time-share-holiday-flat' from the guy. ... but of course I could be wrong. ... by the way, talking about 'debunks'.... did you see the two limp attempts that were doing the rounds at the time? ... 'Rain Drops' was seriously argued for! ... and the guy at NUFORC [Peter Davenport] went with ... ((NUFORC Note: Possible white birds? PD))
ndxLocOut ... both of which makes me smile.
Can't understand the 'Lubbock Lights' comparison? ... imo, there are a lot better matches than the LL.
Who knows, but I get the feeling that there is a bit of the old Ed Walters about this guy. ... and doesn't that picture look a little too much like the Mother ship in close encounters of the third kind, to be coincidence?
Accepting that aliens are visiting our planet in their super-fast and kinky spacecraft has nothing to do with peering into fuzzy photos of distant metallic objects in the sky. Nowadays, a mere photo can't prove anything and proof of that is the above photo which completely consists of human faces generated by artificial intelligence. Not a single person in the above photo is real.
Proof that aliens are here is simply in the laws of nature. When Isaac Newton published his Principia Mathematica back in the 17th century his formula for the law of gravitation unambiguously imposed the reality of man-made satellites orbiting Earth. Whether a culture or a "common sense" of the people of the 17th century accepted the reality of communication satellites buzzing above their heads is irrelevant. Laws of nature are strong as a granite and can't care less whether humans will suffer culture shock when these laws reveal themselves.
Same as the laws of nature in Newton's equations told us that satellites are possible, laws of nature tell us that UFOs are possible. As @Thomas R. Morrison and @waitedavid137 shown to us in this forum that with General Relativity warp drives are possible and one can travel faster than a speed of light. Practically Einstein gave the seal of approval to UFOs. But a catch is that we are behind with technology and can't make warp drives yet. Same as Newton's 17th century men were totally incapable of even imagining rocket engines driven by high pressure turbines pushing swimming pool quantities of cryogenic mixture of pure liquid helium and oxygen.
Problem with accepting aliens is in the education. For our civilization to happily churn along it is only necessary for about 5-10% of people to have scientific and technical education. So essentially 90-95% of people are scientifically clueless and these clueless people by their sheer numbers dominate culture. And these clueless people are not ready to accept aliens, so we all have to wait for them to catch up otherwise we'll be called names and singled out as crazies. Same as in Renaissance Catholic church, that was dictating culture at that time, was not ready to accept that the Earth revolves around the Sun and told Galileo to just shut up.
Most men (and a few women) can easily relate to geometry and mechanics. But geometry and mechanics are just 1/4 of reality. Another 3/4 of real reality are, in no particular order: electromagnetism, quantum mechanics and general relativity. Now you have a guys, looking at UFO photos and videos and pondering 1/4 of reality. How can they possibly work out what UFOs are if they are oblivious to 3/4 of the picture???
UFO is nothing but a warp drive. Warp drive is a construct of General Relativity. A man or a woman who doesn't understand general relativity can't comprehend UFOs because GR is completely out of our everyday experience. Same as electromagnetism and quantum mechanics. And General Relativity is so weird and un-intuitive that some people say that there is less than 1,000 people on the whole planet who really understand it.
That's why so-called "common sense" is just a total nuisance. Common sense can't even explain how aeroplanes work, otherwise Egyptians, who were prodigious experts in a common sense, would had been flying aeroplanes and helicopters.
You're confusing common sense with common knowledge...
Common knowledge refers to the practical understanding of any subject as there are many types of this knowledge like explaining how aeroplanes work...
Common sense is that which helps dealing with all kinds of ordinary situations and used to solve simple problems and remove deadlocks in our daily interactions...
This comes to mind.
Ahh! ... Corabeth Walton, [Ronnie Claire Edwards] ... I remember her always giving 'good-ol'-Ike Godsey' a hard time in that little store of theirs! ... but good to see that she wasn't up to outsmarting Commander Data eh!
She didn't "outsmart" him she just "dumbed him down" or to be more current, "Trumped" him using her arbitrary authority over the crowd. It's exactly Catholic Church vs Galileo moment. Or even better Iranian mullah vs Charles Darwin moment, since Darwinism is banned from teaching in schools in 90% of Muslim countries. And crowd is going to pay for obedience to irrational authority by living in a primitive and backward society. Obviously, the only problem is that that's what the crowd wants in the first place.
Good luck to her creating the modern age out of her "wood, fire & rock" analogy.
Fair enough. But there is a lot of ambiguity because these two terms overlap with each other and common knowledge can become common sense and vice versa. That's ambiguity which comes with all the human languages that are by their nature imprecize.
The common sense and common knowledge I am refering to is ignorance, the "knowledge" of Qanon and flat-earther kind.
I guess the unspoken question is: why is crap like that stuck in my head? I spent 15 minutes yesterday looking for the thermos that was right where I put it. Yet a scene from an old '90s tv show - an episode I may not have seen since then - pops into my thoughts.
Another thread - do we really absorb it all and just have a problem with our FAT table?
It's a good old battle between being an individual or a social animal.
And there is a time when the crowd has to back off. COVID-19 is a good example, as is UFOs, general relativity and warp drives.
That's common understanding...
A common understanding is developed in these types of social belief systems to ensure that consistent common knowledge and common sense is applied towards the solution or topic being delivered...
However it - whatever it might be - is applied I'd recommend a thin even spread for best results. Common sense, common knowledge, belief systems. I remember something about George Washington and smallpox inoculations and if we were having that discussion then those concepts would probably be more readily apparent.
Dejan, I wasn't mocking your interest in this. What that old episode clip said to me was that sometimes things that we have great certainly about get turned on their head unexpectedly.
Those are great too! Some of them also crossed my mind. I was mostly referring to the size and spacing and non-glare quality of the "Lubbock Lights" and the Scottish photo.
1960 Cordoba Argentina.
Yes that's one of those kinda weird looking offerings that has been doing the rounds for over forty years Auggie.
I first came across it in one of those UFO picture-but-not-much-info books that I used to buy many years ago. And when I saw it, I initially just turned the page not thinking very much of it, because it was more than likely just a fault in the negative/processing or whatever. [because of course I was looking for Klaatu's perfect flying saucer] ... and wasn't until much later when I found the back-story to the picture, turned out to be a genuine possibility because of the apparent validity of the photographer. ... Here is the circumstance of the photograph if you are not already familiar ... Phantoms and Monsters - Real Eyewitness Cryptid Encounter Reports
.... and i've never seen anywhere that it has been [even poorly] debunked] so unusual looking as it is, for me it remains a pretty interesting picture. ... thanks for posting it.
from here: Getty Images
I would say a very interesting image because it belongs to a very special and frequent group of UFO phots where the photographer was not even aware of UFO's presence when he was taking photo, but UFO only turned up when the image was developed. As well image is extremely sharp, which is rare.
I would roughly estimate that that house was 30m (90ft) long, so if UFO was at a smilar distance UFO would be about 40 meters (120ft) in diameter.