UFO paradigm is shifting

[Dejan Corovic]

There have been a slow, but steady, rise in a profile of UFO narrative over few recent months, if not a whole year. It's too early for it to register with general public, but some of high places in media are starting to give UFOs a serious look, like Washington Post and CNN.

CNN just run an article about Nimitz encounter for almost whole week.

And TTSA had published some good scientifically believable information that should tickle the curiosity of scientists and engineers.

 

[Spaceman spiff]

Perhaps, but im wondering if so where will it all lead, how will they spin it? Whats the endgame here?

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Endgame is simple.

Our governments will slowly, over many years, introduce some of the friendly aliens, and gov. will kill itself, through facts filtering and narrative manipulation, trying to hide the fact that unfriendly aliens exist. We will form alliance with friendly aliens, those who look like us, and who are among the strongest in Milky Way community. They'll probably help us protect ourselves against unfriendly aliens. Obviously, friendlies would ask for some favors in return. Maybe few abductions here and there, a place to deposit spent radioactive material etc.

Unfriendly aliens are most likely losers on the scale of Milky Way. They are poor, small in numbers, with obsolete technology, and they prey on those who are weaker than themselves, like us. They are on the margins.

Most of our people would transition from fear to admiration of friendly aliens. Aliens will become role models for our own development, culturally and scientifically. They might even start turning on TV host shows and reality programs, just to keep everybody happy. As well, aliens will create unimaginable business opportunities for us and they will be driving agent behind unprecedented economic growth.

We can gain so much from contact with aliens, but first we have to stop behaving like a chimps. That is hard part.

 

[pigfarmer]

Right now I'd like someone to do the math and show me how various people are supporting themselves while part of this TTSA venture. Wondering about the ad revenue from the History Channel.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Right now I'd like someone to do the math and show me how various people are supporting themselves while part of this TTSA venture. Wondering about the ad revenue from the History Channel.

That is the question ... $2 mega-bucks, that they initially rose, is not much when you have 10 people on salaries.

 

[pigfarmer]

That is the question ... $2 mega-bucks, that they initially rose, is not much when you have 10 people on salaries.

I don't see this as anyone enriching themselves but when there's money involved it's hard to make an argument for altruism.

 

[Rick Hunter]

I don't see this as anyone enriching themselves but when there's money involved it's hard to make an argument for altruism.

This, 100%. It is the ultimate dividing line between real Ufologists and hucksters.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Who gets the money will make the first lift-off.

It's not a question of how it's done. I have tons of technical information from both UFO side and general relativity. It's relatively simple, but with a considerable risk factor attached. Risk can be reduced through clever management, but not eliminated.

Guy who finances this must be altruist, like De Lounge, and must have lots of spare cash to absorb the risk. But it happened before. De Grier inherited large amount from a lady who was UFO enthusiast, not a relative of his. Darrel Sims made large wad of cash from some business property deal. Ray Stanford (according to him) got about $2M back in 70's from a businessman from Texas, who was into oil industry and constantly traveling back and forth Saudi Arabia.

 

[nivek]

Wondering about the ad revenue from the History Channel.

I'm curious, why would that be a concern?...

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[Dejan Corovic]

I don't have History Channel. Are they really big there?

 

[pigfarmer]

I'm curious, why would that be a concern?...

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Primarily optics. Looks and smells a lot like Hanger 1.

 

[pigfarmer]

I don't have History Channel. Are they really big there?

They’ve become the home of ghost and cryptid hunter shows. Nonsense. Unexplained seems to fit right in the way it’s presented.

I would rather see PBS present a series. Or a series of 60 Minutes pieces. Something other than a hokey entertainment venue

 

[APIGuy]

There have been a slow, but steady, rise in a profile of UFO narrative over few recent months, if not a whole year. It's too early for it to register with general public, but some of high places in media are starting to give UFOs a serious look, like Washington Post and CNN.

CNN just run an article about Nimitz encounter for almost whole week.

And TTSA had published some good scientifically believable information that should tickle the curiosity of scientists and engineers.

Since no one wants to stand accused of Kuhn abuse, can you define what you mean by paradigm here, and why you think we have one now?

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Since no one wants to stand accused of Kuhn abuse, can you define what you mean by paradigm here, and why you think we have one now?

My primary focus is technical data about UFOs. My my pyramid of cross-confirmation is getting higher and higher and narrower and narrower. Basically, it is say 70-80% certain from both historical UFO records and the latest De Launge lab measurements by professional scientists that UFOs are pumping metamaterial hulls with microwaves. That thesis had been confirmed and cross-confirmed to very high statistical significance.

Another thing is that it's the first time that gov. sources are confirming in media they are accepting UFOs.

It has passed 70 years from Roswell crash. That is about 3-4 generations of people in the intelligence community who mostly control UFO issue. A good part of them has very different attitudes, towards the whole alien issue, than their grand-grand-grandads. We discovered 4,000 planets, about a dozen possibly habitable. We know that average Solar system in Milky Way's habitable zone is 3.3 billion years older than Earth. Even NASA has astrobiology department trying to work out conditions for life.

Times had changed. If today White House announced "UFOs are here", 99% of people would immediately say "Damn, I always thought so!".

 

[nivek]

Another thing is that it's the first time that gov. sources are confirming in media they are accepting UFOs.

Indeed and in my opinion this is huge, some cry various conspiracy theories as reasons, but I think not...I hope in the near future we will hear government sources finally say that these ufos are from other worlds, that they are not from earth...

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[Dejan Corovic]

Indeed and in my opinion this is huge, some cry various conspiracy theories as reasons, but I think not...I hope in the near future we will hear government sources finally say that these ufos are from other worlds, that they are not from earth...

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As I explained in another post, 6 governments acknowledged UFOs (France, Belgium, UK and 3 smaller South American), 5 of which set up scientific bodies to study the phenomena. UFOs were discussed on NATO pact policy meetings. Plus Russia acknowledged nothing, but after collapse director of institute 22, near Moscow, with 16 specialist scientists (if I remember correctly) came out and had shown files to the highest bidder from the West. Plus, Soviet Navy, almost publicly, run well documented naval UFO research program. Plus, chairman of NATO and UK's Air Force commander during Battle of Britain, both said that UFOs are here. Even Winston Churcil wrote an essay about aliens (not UFOs), before WW2.

So if anybody starts messing you about that UFOs are for crackpots, just pick any of the names/institutions from above. Unfortunately mankind trusts brands more than to facts and science.

It's just like in that fable "The Emperor’s New Clothes" by Hans Christian Andersen, only in reverse. Tons of wittiness were seeing UFOs and UFOs left dozens of tracks on radar screens, but everybody is pretending they've seen nothing.

On the paracast forum I met a guy, with moniker marduk, with scientific background, who had seen 4 UFOs in one day, and was possibly even abducted at some point in his life (he gave interview in paid podcast section), and even after I presented hard scientific proof to him that as scientist he can understand, he continued holding opinion that what he had seen were not UFOs. So strange.

 

[Spaceman spiff]

Theres also a saying that when your spend long enough time on a dry desert without water, you will accept a drink from anyone. Some people ive seen on twitter and reddit have accepted it all too quickly without thinking more.

Dont be too quick to jump into this without considering for a moment, what are these people after? The big question remains: why are they supposedly disclosing this now, when they denied it for 70 years? Whats coming, the full truth, spinned truth, someone elses truth that they believe in, or more lies like in Doty case?

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Theres also a saying that when your spend long enough time on a dry desert without water, you will accept a drink from anyone. Some people ive seen on twitter and reddit have accepted it all too quickly without thinking more.

Dont be too quick to jump into this without considering for a moment, what are these people after? The big question remains: why are they supposedly disclosing this now, when they denied it for 70 years? Whats coming, the full truth, spinned truth, someone elses truth that they believe in, or more lies like in Doty case?

Don't ever expect to hear truth from anybody. Just do your own research and put pieces together.

Main thing of this thread is to say that we don't need to hide what we think and it is time for a bit more action.