UFO Pilot Under-Reporting Bias.

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  1. karl 12

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    Thought there was some revealing data found here regarding a 'reality check' on just how many people actually report their UFO sightings (I know I didn't) and when it comes to military/civilian pilots there's always been serious concerns about under reporting bias due to fear of ridicule, perceived competence, job security etc.




    After the Robertson panel led to the implementation of the JANAP 146 directive which basically made the reporting of UFOs to the American public an 'act of espionage' then suppose fines of up to ten thousand dollars (and/or one to ten years in prison) also deterred quite a few pilots from discussing their experience.

    Over the years there's been some truly revealing UFO surveys and polls conducted on professionals in the aviation industry (including this one involving 1000 radar operators) but did think there was a really relevant report below concerning 'under reporting bias' from NARCAP's Ted Roe.



    Report (PDF File):


    • Sticking with NARCAP also thought this was a pretty awesome interview with Dr. Richard F. Haines.





    The Pentagon's Al Chop also pops up in the vid below but there's a good section on pilot UFO under-reporting featuring NICAP's Richard Hall and NARCAP's Richard Haines found around 10:30.




     
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  2. karl 12

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    Thought another good example of the mindset discussed above can be found in this interview with pilot Graham Bethune - apparently the crew of a U.S. Navy C-54 aircraft witnessed a disc shaped UFO over the Atlantic Ocean and a Naval Commander on board refused to look at it because he 'didn't believe in such things'.








    Guess we'll never know the true numbers on just how often pilots encounter UFOs but looks like witness intimidation could also be a factor and below are a few cases involving claims of 'do not to discuss'.





    • Three disc shaped objects confirmed on radar and witnessed close range by pilot flying Piper PA-24 aircraft.








    • Three disc shaped objects confirmed on radar and witnessed close range by two RAF pilots in Meteor jet aircraft.

    Upon landing both pilots separated, isolated and ordered not to discuss - debriefed next morning by plains clothes officer (records of official investigation now missing).

    From 4:30



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    • Close range pilot UFO encounter where a yellow, oval shaped object flew just off the left wing of a Piper Arrow aircraft.

    Pilot detained and interrogated for over three hours by five men in suits who tried to make him sign a document stating that he would never disclose details of his UFO sighting to the public.

    See 59:10






    Links:


    Some great forwarding links in this first file:

    Pilot Sightings - (PDF File)
    The UFO Evidence - Section V - PILOTS & AVIATION EXPERTS
    NARACAP Aircraft Survey Project (PDF File)
    The 'True' Report on Flying Saucers.
     
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  3. Dejan Corovic

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    Congrats @karl 12 That's another very good dig.

    I was just looking where to stick this short video. These two Navy pilots who has seen Tick-Tack UFO had been extensively debriefed by media. But either I missed it, or the media missed it, but I noticed this the first time. These two pilots agreed that in that area "UFOs are seen every day" which means hundreds of sightings per year. Hundreds of sightings per year in just an area puts UFOs in a whole new level of credibility.



    Another very important thing said in that interview was when pilot Frevor re-confirmed when the journalist specifically asked him, that UFO disappeared in front of his eyes and other pilot confirmed that disappearance. That disappearance thing is something acceptable in General Relativity as a wormhole. And I have a small collection of these wormholes like disappearances.

    As a side note, I watched another video interview by a sailor who was stationed at Guam. He didn't say there were hundreds of sightings per year, but a substantial number and that the most of the personnel was aware of UFOs.

    Since both of these areas were at sea and both were in flying zones restricted by the military, I am wondering if UFOs are attracted to the military, for some reason. Or is it merely a coincidence, and UFOs are observed in these areas because somebody (military) is active there all the time.
     
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  4. 1963

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    Hi Karl, hope you are well mi viejo amigo. :Thumbsup: ... I see that while I was away you have continued your habit of creating brilliant threads here matey. ... The Carlos Antonio de los Santos Montiel 'triple escort' case is just about as fascinating as ufology gets. .. [I was scared just reading and watching the video about it. lol] ... but i'm pleased to say that "not all UFO sightings by pilots over Mexico are so terrifying as that one... such as this much more recent incident that I just found at NARCAP from about 18 months ago....



    UFO recorded by Pilot. Cockpit footage. With independent NARCAP report | Latest UFO sightings (latest-ufo-sightings.net)

    ... And before you say it, I know that McGaha, Shermer et al will declare that this pilot with 19 years experience including 10 years of military flight experience has 'mistaken this thing he saw for a UFO' .. "when he was certainly just seeing Venus!"... and that the likes of Mick West or Tim Printy will waffle on for hours and two or three illustrated essays 'prooooving that he was just filming the after-burners of an f-something-or-other' "but was too unsophisticated to know it!" [snigger, snigger!] ... but you already know my views on that sort of 'identified-by-proclamation-BS' and that I believe that there isn't any better qualifications for identifying something that is 'unknown' [or even ... exotic] in the sky than an experienced pilot and his crew.
    And though the actual video doesn't thrill all that much, just listening at the accompanying enthusiastic commentary coming from a well seasoned pilot and the surety that he was witnessing a truly anomalous flying object is enough for me to believe that I have just seen a 100% genuine UFO right there on film. ... Rather underwhelming bit of pulsating light it may have been... but a legitimate UFO nevertheless. :Thumbsup: ... what do you reckon mate?

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  5. Rick Hunter

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    If I was in the military or a professional pilot then no way in hell would I report a UFO to my superiors unless I had no choice. I just don't see any good coming out of that and the probability of a whole lot of bad. I suppose it would be different if it was a mass sighting (Bentwaters) or I was sent to intercept it (Tehran). But, as far as me just having a one off encounter, my lips are sealed.
     
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    Apart from ETs, are some UFOs terrestrial tech? If so, doesn't the brass need to know about them?
     
  7. Rick Hunter

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    Well, if it appeared to be something man-made then yes absolutely. I was referring to encountering something unquestionably ET, which didn't seem to be an actual threat.
     
  8. karl 12

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    Appreciate the posts and good to be back. :)

    Know most folks on here will already be aware of it but thought this 1954 aircraft case involving three silver, saucer-shaped objects approaching an aircraft was a relevant one (and quite similar to the Little Rissington and Carlos Montiel cases).

    Apparently the objects 'had a bun on top and a bun on the bottom' and as the pilot mentions in the telephone interview, he was bound by the Official Secrets Act from discussing his experience with the public.


    See 24:30





    Cheers.
     
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  9. Dejan Corovic

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    This book I found today would be a perfect compliment to the above video:

     
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