UFO Time Anomaly Research.

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  1. karl 12

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    Plenty of opinions out there when it comes to UFO origin involving extraterrestrials, metaterrestrials, ultraterrestrials, cryptoterrestrials etc. but this speculative 'woo' thread attempts to deal with the 'UFO/Time' subject and some of the more completely bizarre reports involving temporal distortion / manipulation anomalies - it also attempts to explore the connection between UFOs and time travel (if there is one).

    Dr Hynek apparently once quipped to Jacques Vallee that 'UFOs may originate from a universe fifteen minutes into our future' and whilst it's thought he was only joking I did find it pretty surprising just how much research has already been conducted (and literature written) on the 'UFO/Time' subject - below are some relevant videos, interviews, articles and documents and also a really interesting quote from Norio Hayakawa that kicked off the idea for the thread in the first place.



    Thought Tim Swartz's article below was a good intro and brought up a few very intriguing points about the subject - there's also further reading found at the link concerning the Oz factor and vehicle EM interference cases.


     
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    Sourced by Easynow this (rare) 'Sightings' clip about Michio Kaku's time travel theories also features the late Marc Davenport who makes some mighty interesting comments about the UFO subject taken from his book 'Visitors from time'.


    See 2:30




    Not to be outdone tenured Professor of Anthropology Dr Michael P Masters also argues in his book 'Identified Flying Objects- An Academic Approach To The UFO Problem' that 'a time travel explanation is preferable to a space travel explanation' and makes some curious observations about topics as varied as time related UFO occupant bipedalism and UFO colour change right through to rotating UFOs bending light cones.


    See 1:11:11



     
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    As well as those already mentioned, think it's fair to say there's also been other consistent (and global) UFO characteristics reported over the years like appearing out of nowhere; changing shape; separating and merging together and, although it sounds completely bonkers, Tim Swartz also engages in some interesting speculation below about internal time frames and artificial space-time.



    Michio Kaku also pops up again in this Telegraph time travel article and describes Stephen Hawking's reversal of opinion on the subject - also relevant is Hawking's ''Cosmology Protection Conjecture' where he initially denied the possibility of time travel because 'We have not been invaded by hordes of tourists from the future' - bit of a stretch but considering all the many different UFO shapes (and occupant flavours) reported over the years couldn't he just be describing the UFO subject?


     
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    Also an interesting footnote found in the article below where government documents state that famed theoretical physicist and time aficionado John Archibald Wheeler (coiner of the terms 'black hole' and 'worm hole') was actively petitioned by the CIA way back in 1953 to 'atrack the flying saucer problem'.





     
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    A random thought I recently voiced that didn't seem to generate any interest is that modern vehicles are actually event witnesses also. Were I present I'd love to connect the car's OBD2 port to a nice code scanner - not a cheap Autozone idiot light model, a professional one - and see if the vehicle's history file can corroborate the claim and maybe give an indication as to why.
     
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    Appreciate the post mate and also the point about the vehicle being a witness - certainly quite a few car cases involving UFOs and time anomalies and there's an interesting example from Port Jarvis, New York found in the presentation below (around 15:55) - also some research conducted on the vehicle afterwards.



    This other case only involves one witness but did find it quite compelling as a retired 'UFO sceptic' Police Officer was fishing on a river in the UK and witnessed a close range metallic, saucer shaped object over the water - some strange temporal goings on reported and apparently during the sighting his bait maggots pupated into casters (which should have taken 2 days) - see 2:50:00.



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    Quite a few accounts out there of UFOs being reported to have 'some kind of field' (or bizarre fog) around them - also a number of descriptions about how the UFO witness's watch stopped buried in the reports - a good example being the waterstealing Rosedale UFO case which I completely overlooked first time round on the thread.

    UFO Empties Water Tank - Rosedale, 1980.



    Also an interesting police case at the link below from North Dakota in 1979 involving a UFO, a patrol car and both the vehicle clock and officer's wrisrwatch losing 14 minutes.

     
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    Karl:

    Thanks - I took a look at the first video starting at about 15:00 - the Port Jervis case. I am very familiar with that area, it's roughly an hour west of me. I used to run out there on service calls to a local hospital at all hours and have also passed through there many times on my way out through Pennsylvania. I have a very good idea of what it must have been like for the witness.

    Just some random thoughts here - right now it's before 6am and I am just swilling coffee trying to clear my own fog. Please don't misinterpret this as debunking - this is just what popped into my head as I watched that, and right now my head isn't as awake as it could be.

    First thought is geography. The is the same Rt.6 that winds through the valley, up and out the east side. Think of the valley very roughly as a canoe pointing north-south. Where many of the famed Hudson Valley sightings originated were on east rim, this area is the western rim. Each rim is between 800-1000' above the basin. In the middle not too far away is that pesky Stewart-Newburgh (SWF) airport and Air National Guard base that flies the big transports, among other things. The area this incident occurred in is extremely desolate, dark, hilly and heavily wooded. I have been thinking that when those planes come in on approach low & slow you have a perspective up on those rims that can make them look quite striking. I do remember seeing one cruising at low altitude with it's landing gear doors open at night once and think it was a weird bluish light - but of course they don't rotate and isn't quite what was described. I looked up N41.32279 W74.57908 and yup, it's cow country. Doubt there's much light pollution in the area. I think he was just on the west side of the western rim. Over the big hill.

    Up until recently the cell service out there was extremely poor, at best. Also in that region within the past couple of years advertising blimps have caused UFO reports. Again not dismissing just telling you what I know about the area.

    Regarding the eyewitness being 'more than a nurse but not quite a doctor' I wondered exactly what facility out there he was talking about. I laughed. My niece's husband fits that description to a T. First assist to a surgeon, has been involved in all sorts of extensive disgusting surgeries (brain, spinal). Was a US Army combat medic. Professionally the man is spot on and just the person you would want in a medical emergency. Privately he is a mechanical train wreck and will destroy any tool or machine he touches, is generally sloppy and careless and is gullible about ghosts, UFOs, you name it, to an amazing degree. Really good guy and we all love him but credentials and credibility about UFO sightings are two different things.

    OK. Car on 'pause' and not running, electrical devices dead including cell phone.

    Something I think may have been overlooked. How did he get the window down to look up? Find me a new car with a manual window crank. They exist but are hardly common anymore. This would be exactly the case I'd want to throw a diagnostic scanner on. All modern vehicles are equipped with OBD2 ports. Maybe he just opened the door, but that isn't what was said.

    Regarding tri-field meters - I am not an electrical engineer and this is out of my depth, but wouldn't it pick up AC and DC EMF as a matter of course? I would think human beings and cars would be expected sources and it sounded like the ghost hunters with complicated paraphernalia. Unrelated to this, years ago I remember having a vendor meet with a tech from the phone company regarding a T1. He had a T Berd 209 that had an attachment on it with four rows of 24 lights on it. Cool looking and impressive by the standards of the day. He tried to flummox me with the gadgetry and tell me his end of the circuit was clean. Problem was, I had such a device myself and enjoyed the added benefit of actually knowing how it worked and how to read the damned thing - and wound up explaining it to him in detail. Just an old war story but you have to admit it's a common thing investigators of the paranormal do - wave a magic box around to support a theory. Don't know exactly how a tri-field meter would be revealing in this case, but again, I've never used one and have only a passing notion of what it might be telling me.

    So thanks. I love this stuff - and again it's worth repeating - just thinking out loud here so don't misinterpret as casual dismissal or knee jerk debunking. These are some things I think the field investigators should have at least noted. I always think they arrive with a predetermined conclusion in need of some support.
     
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    Thanks the post mate and really am all for objective, prosaic explanations regarding specific UFO incidents (that encompass all aspects of the report) so nice one for your comments and appreciate the input - lots of dead links to the full report on the New York case but there's still a write up found at Open-minded website.

    Pretty close range description of the object and the witness does state the electric windows refused to work -also found it intriguing he stated the engine came back on 'already running' which is in itself quite bizarre and not the first time it's been described.

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    But more info on the subsequent investigation as well involving tri-field metres, compasses and dissipating magnetic fields - when asked the witness didn't claim to experience any time anomalies though.

    Also found this case described by NARCAP's Dr Haines pretty curious as it involves aviation mechanical gyros (not electric) being deflected towards a UFO causing the plane to veer towards it - here he is discussing how the in flight navigation system VOR was affected:



    Plenty of other freaky relevant accounts out there including this one from the Chop clearance list where it states 'as the radar locked on to the object, it headed the plane towards it although it were drawn by a magnet' so god knows what's going on there.

    Newpaper article (pdf)

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    UFO and missing time in 1639:




    'Strange But True' episode dealing with Elsie Oakensen's vehicle UFO encounter (malfunctioning engine and time anomaly also reported) Northamptonshire, 1978.

    * 2 hours later and 4 miles away another witness reports similar experience.






    UFO in Didsbury, Manchester. 1979 - Lynda Jones and her two kids experience an hour and a half of missing time.






    Freaky one taken from official Parish records in Sweden, September 16th, 1759 - could be nothing but there does exist parallels with modern reports and the chap went missing for four days (whilst to him it only seemed like a few minutes).

     
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    Well, not doubting the witness and having some notion of what the local PD is like I wouldn't have wasted time calling them either. What I would have done is at least attempted to see if their were any commercial or military flights that coincided with the event.

    I really do have to wonder about advertising blimps although at midnight that does seem unlikely. The reason I say that is an Open Minds report from about the same year around nearby Goshen, NY - but I can't find it right now. I also saw one at close range in the '70s and it scared the bejeezus out of me, which is why I remember the report from a few years ago.

    Couldn't find the earlier report from Goshen but look at what I did find from Goshen in 2016, courtesy of MUFON.

    Cylinder UFO videotaped over small New York town




    That looks blimp-ish to me, and those could easily be the required aircraft recognition lights seen from some odd angle. I live in range of several airports including SWF and believe me, as I've posted here before once in a while you can look up and see some weird s**t - just have to get the heart rate down long enough to realize what you're looking at.

    “This thing was a complete lit-surfaced craft. It wasn’t blinking lights. The entire surface of craft was lit up and glowing.”

    So does this - and seen under the right circumstances would be disturbing. Especially the first few seconds. Much better quality video.



    No idea what to say about the car, except - what would the tri-field meter have revealed the day or week before the event? Admittedly odd but apparently harmless enough. Not like the man grew an extra superfluous nipple or anything. A toothache and the car 'driving faster' are a bit of a reach to connect to the event too. I know, I know. Fun snatching. Thing is, I believe the guy saw something that frightened him and wonder just what the hell it was. But I also think MUFON arrived with a conclusion in hand and found a few anomalous 'facts' to support it. I'd rather be skeptical than be too readily convinced without good reason.
     
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    Hey look what I found - an established advertising agency that uses blimps well within range of this area.

    Northern NJ Full Service Advertising & Marketing Agency

    If Morris Plains, New Jersey sounds familiar it's where many of the UFO reports originated when those stupid kids right near where this sighting happened released flares on balloons and scared the crap out of people. Made national cable news - it's somewhere in these threads. Many, many people including ex-military 'experts' made fools of themselves with public statements talking about how weird it was and how it couldn't be anything earthly. It was. The kids got a fine. Floating road flares in wooded regions is stoooopid.

    If I can find stuff like this in a few minutes in my jammies why couldn't MUFON? We laugh at people who walk around with their snoot in a smartphone who fail to see what's going on around them. I'd suggest they are dong the same thing with their tri-field meters.

    Karl - not being argumentative, just interested in the case. Thanks again.
     

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