UFOs And Stopped Clocks.

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  1. karl 12

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    There's been some decidedly freaky aspects to global UFO reports over the years and one factor which does seem to keep on popping up is the stopping of (or interference with) clocks and watches during a UFO encounter.

    Seems sometimes multiple timepieces are involved but it doesn't seem to matter about mains or separate battery power source and non electric watches have also been affected - bizarrely some UFO witnesses have also reported different watches refusing to work after their experience or clocks stopping after they touch them.

    Like with the animal reaction feature, if a person goes back and looks through some of the older UFO literature then some relevant nuggets in the case details do seem to stand out. Am sure there'll be plenty more examples out there so if anyone's aware of any (or has opinions about what's going on) then please post.


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    • Some very strange UFO accounts at the link below taken from newspaper clippings (primarily from the 1970s and 1980s) compiled by Loren E. Gross - full list well worth a read on a rainy day.


    Some UFO Notes By Loren E. Gross

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    • Likewise some extremely interesting reading found in Keith Basterfield's full catalogue linked below (I thought so anyway) - some details also include timepiece tampering.


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    • Nicap's Report on EM effects also brings up a case from Santa Fe, New Mexico during the early November, 1957 flap where a car clock and wristwatch stopped working as a UFO passed over a motor vehicle. In Norway, October, 1956 a UFO also flew in front of motor vehicle and hovered over the road - according to jeweller the wristwatch of the witness was 'magnetized':

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    Electromagnetic Effects Associated with Unidentified Flying Objects (PDF File)



    • August 27th, 1979, Stephen, Minnesota - Police Officer Val Johnson witnesses a UFO descend on his car causing him lose consciousness- patrol car clock and officer's wristwatch also both lost 14 minutes.





    • Pine Bush UFO witness Elaine Crampton talks about her clocks.

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  2. karl 12

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    • In a case similar to the Socorro incident one year earlier, lavender farmer Maurice Masse experiences a daylight, close range sighting of a small, egg shaped UFO emitting a strange hissing sound - two jumpsuit wearing, big headed occupants also spotted.

    The farmer was 'paralysed' by a device held by one of the occupants before they both entered UFO and flew away - farmer also reported to have trouble with different watches refusing to work after the sighting and was 'unable to wear them anymore'.


    1st, June, 1965, Valensole, France. See 20:10






    • At White Acres farm in Rosedale, Australia another farmer witnesses a UFO (domed disc shaped) with orange and blue lights about ten feet above the ground - the object then briefly hovered over a water tank and landed 50 feet away. Whistling sound, physical trace evidence, missing water and wristwatch malfunction reported.

    September 30th, 1980

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    • Official Judicial Court case and Police UFO casefile for this one involving close range UFO (and occupant) sighting resulting in another stopped wristwatch - August 31st , 1968, Mendoza, Argentina:




    ▪ Don't know much more but on January 14th, 2002 apparently a train encountered three strange flying objects near Outpost 41 in Kentucky.

    Reports of damage to (and EM effects on) the train and upon arriving at the railroad yard the train crew were met by strange men 'none of them had ever seen before' - they were taken to an office, interrogated for hours and ordered never to speak of the incident.

    All trace of train and strange men gone the next day and during the encounter the wristwatch of one of the crew members stopped at 2:47AM and 'still reads the same to this day'.






    • July 9th, 1965, Santa Maria, Azores - don't know much more about this one either but it sounds very intriguing and there's a relevant follow up newsclipping below.


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    • January, 6th, 1976, Kentucky - the very bizarre Stanford case:



     
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  3. karl 12

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    Don't know anyone's thoughts on the Hill case but didn't realise claims of stopped wristwatches were involved.


    • September 19th, 1961, New Hampshire - Betty and Barney Hill:

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    • Researcher Tim Swartz reports another wristwatch example from Ohio in June, 2001 - also engages in a spot of speculation about spatial changes, altered states of consciousness, unusual silences and potential time distortions.





    • Professor Swords on the subject quoting from the files of the Tasmanian UFO Investigation Committee with further info on the 1979 Murchison Highway case:


    Also this one from the same area four years later.

     
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  4. August

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    Thanks for posting this. :)
     
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  5. Dejan Corovic

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    When I was a young lad, my father brought me a very nice wrist watch from a business trip. I was very proud of it since nobody else in the whole classroom had such an elaborate watch, with rotating dial, stop watch, two knowbs ets.

    Anyhow. I heard that magnets can stop wristwatches. And bug was set in my mind, I wanted to try, but didn't want to ruin such a nice watch.

    To cut a long story short, on the end I tried and brought a magnet close to the wristwatch. And it was true. Magnets stop wristwatches. Not to mention that wristwatches don't ever restart themselves after that.

    So, the moral of the story is, there is strong magnetic field around the UFOs. I know because I've checked, even without seening an UFO.
     
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    You want to go check it out? Jump in my truck, we'll be there in half an hour. I have wanted to go to the annual UFO Festival for the past several years but haven't made it yet (and nobody will this year).

    60% of the people in Pine Bush saw a UFO and 60% of the people who live in Gettysburg have seen a ghost.

    I've seen those lights (even recently) and have a pretty good idea what they are looking at. Stewart ANG base and whatever they call SWF airport now is very busy. They occupy different parts of a an area created around repurposed Cold War era runways. Not unusual to see C17 heavy transports or their predecessors just hanging up there improbably. Sometimes you see them at night, sometimes with freaky landing lights and stuff on. They can catch you off guard and I can tell you that when the C5s first showed up they scared the bejeezuz out of a lot of people.
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    Stewart International Airport - Wikipedia

    Thumbs-up at Stewart Air Base for new C-17 transport planes

    105th Airlift Wing - Wikipedia

    Interesting time line there---- In May 1983, the unit relocated to Stewart International Airport. It was re-designated the 105th Military Airlift Group on 1 May 1984 and later in July 1985 became the first Air National Guard unit in the nation to fly the C-5A Galaxy aircraft
     
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  7. August

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    This is a compilation of excepts from the complete hypnosis sessions done by Dr. Benjamin Simon in 1964

     
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  8. Dejan Corovic

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    Yeah, I am dying to hear about some lost time etc., because that would count as a general relativistic effect, supporting the reasonably acceptable theory that UFOs alter the gravitational field. Basically, what would happen, watch would survive, it will continue working accurately, but it will show some missing or gained time immediately after the incident. This missing or gained time would be caused by a stronger or weaker gravitational field that UFO would create. That's what I am really looking for. If you know of any such UFO cases please let me know. So far, I only found one case :-(.

    But to no avail, because both kinds of watches are susceptible to strong static or alternating magnetic fields. Mechanical wristwatches would be ruined by both static and alternating magnetic fields if they have any ferromagnetic steel gears because magnetized gears would become permanently 'sticky' as magnetization make them to strongly couple to other internal steel gears. Since designed forces on watch gears are fairly weak, the sudden appearance of unaccounted new magnetic 'stickiness' would ruin the watch.

    Electrical watches and wristwatches, I guess, wouldn't be affected much by a static magnetic field. A static magnetic field would cause the Hall effect, which would be just pushing current in the wires to one side. That would change neither currents nor voltages inside the watch circuit very much, so the watch would be fine. But indications from other UFO cases don't suggest that UFOs produce any static magnetic fields, only alternating.

    Now, the alternating magnetic field is a different beast. It would generate its own currents in any electrical circuit by Faraday's law and a strong field would create strong induced currents. Every consumer electronic device running on batteries is finely tunned to use a minimum of energy for a maximum battery life. Suddenly this alternating magnetic field comes in and creates big currents for which a delicate electronic circuit is not prepared at all. Most likely many internal components will simply be burned out by these externally induced currents and the device would break down and really be difficult to repair.

    Similar faith would await other instruments that depend on electricity. I don't really know how a milometer works, but if it is based on coils of wire picking up rotation of, say, small magnets than milometer would be temporarily desabled as well.
     
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  9. August

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    To set my UFO detector off you would have to detonate a Nuclear device right over the top of it.
     
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  10. karl 12

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    Thanks for the replies and certainly looks like electromagnetism plays a role somehow - even with non electric wristwatches.

    Did see that there"s quite a number of folks out there who feel their own electromagnetic field is responsible for interference with wristwatches.. although scientists do say that the human field shouldn't be strong enough.

    Slate readers weigh in with their own stories of personal magnetism.

    When it comes to UFOs then animal reaction may also have something to do with electromagnetism and Linda Zimmerman goes into more details in this new vid.




    There's a 100% money back guarantee with this one mate. :)

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  11. August

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    Yeah I found mine at a garage sale no way to test if it works you wouldn't have a spare nuke would you ?
     
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  12. karl 12

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    Hi mate, he died really young and I haven't read it (and it's not easy to get hold of) but yout might find what you're looking for in Marc Davenport's book.

    See 2:30



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  13. Dejan Corovic

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    Thanks for a very good dig. I found Marc Davenport's book and already bought it :).

    Here are two posts: first and second, about some UFO cases where relativistic space-time bending was observed. In General Relativity UFOs are warp drives, and a warp drive is a device that bends space-time in its immediate vicinity, so that's why if one shines a torch at UFO he'll see the bending of light beam. But these cases are extremely rare.

    Ignore @Thomas R. Morrison 's comment post because he says that light was bent by temperature difference in the air, like when one sees mirage on the motorway on a hot summer day. Qualitatively that sounds good, but quantitatively it's just a joke because air is not dense enough to bend light beam 90 degrees as witness reported. Difference in air temperature can only bend light 2-3 degrees, at the best. It's a lame lazy skeptic's argument, akin to "swamp gas" :).

    Time & Space are one thing in General Relativity and in GR space-time can be "bent" in order to travel faster than light (FtL), but some rules must be followed. That's how UFOs do it. Admittedly, I am no expert and you should check posts by @Thomas R. Morrison and @waitedavid137 who are far more knowledgeable on the subject of GR and warp drives. When aliens say that they are in different time, its because time is only local, approximatelly tied to the star to which your planet is tied. Although, all stars in universe are on the same clock that started ticking at a moment of Big Bang. Different stars are literarly in a different times, because it takes many years for signals to travel between stars. So, when UFO from distant star arrives to Earth he keeps the time from the star from which it departed. But, it's very unikely aliens come from our future. According to GR they simply come from different star "time zones", which anyway have the same total time that passed from Big Bang.
     
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  14. nivek

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    In other words, time is relative...:)

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    ;-)

    I'm just thinking aloud about this.

    Yes, time is relative, but for all the stars the Big Bang time is the same down to a nano-nano-nano-second. Only about black holes time runs slower, so Big Bang time for black holes would be in the past. That would mean, that relative to the black holes, stars are in the future and black holes are in stars' past.

    On the UFO/wrap drive, time is the same as the time on its parent star.

    All together, nobody is in the future relative to Big Bang time, because there is no naturally occuring negative space-time curvature in the universe. Except, perheps the giant inter-galactical voids are slightly less positively curved than galixies, but the difference would be tiny.

    I guess @Thomas R. Morrison would love to elaborate on this.
     
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    Daily Telegraph (Sydney, NSW : 1883 - 1930), Friday 9 September 1892, page 3

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    @Skepticide123 ... Man, congrats on the choice of the name, I love it.

    Re: the article clip. You are spot on. In the late fall of the year 1882 there was a big geomagnetic storm, as Wikipedia reports :).

    Nowadays, these calamities are called Carrington events. Basically our Sun spits out mega-tons of hot plasma particles that hit the Earth and cause electromagnetic storms. And magnetism is bad for clocks. But when the next one happens to our generation, all our personal computers will be wiped out.

    But I didn't know that solar storms can be so strong to break large Victorian mechanical clocks. That's quite surprising.
     
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  18. Skepticide123

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    Thanks for the information, Dejan!
     
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  19. karl 12

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    Nice one mate and thanks for posting those - never heard of the one from the China sea before - very bizarre.


    The French case is covered in this vid and also sounds extremely strange.






    Indeed they are mate and there are two possible candidates I've heard of (will ask around).


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    UFO Conjectures: Solid light and the Burkes Flat UFO of 1966


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    1949, Norwood, Ohio Searchlight UFO Incident, UFO Casebook Files

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    Great addition there Skepticide, many thanks for sharing it.

    When it comes to Carrington events looks like we just barely missed one (by one week) back in July, 2012.


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    Thanks for the info.

    I've already dug up 3 external light bending cases: Norwood, Burkes Flats, and Taize. But it would always be nice to find even more of them :). They are all really fascinating because they unambiguously prove that UFOs are warp drives. I was talking with @waitedavid137 who is a member of AlienExpanse forum and has a PhD in physics and is an expert on General Relativity and he confirmed to me that light would bend near the warp drive craft. So this makes very certain that UFOs are engineered warp drives. The next question is HOW :).

    What is important in the UFO <> warp drive relationship is that we know what warp drives are because Einstein's general relativity tells us. This relationship makes UFOs more acceptable to our modern physics knowledge. And significant thing that Einstein's GR tells us about warp drives is that it can only take a few hours to cross distancies between the stars, not millenia. That notion makes UFOs estremely plausible.

    If we were able to master metric engineering (spacetime bending, warp drives etc.) to the same level to which we mastered electricity we would be doing what aliens are doing
     
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