UFOs: skeptics, disclosure, and contact

pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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I only had this on in the background for about 80 minutes and was working on something but JG said something very interesting. There were incidents that both he and Corbell, Knapp & Co covered separately involving nuclear power plants and redacted government documents. In one case JG later received the documents minus the redactions that demonstrated the incidents were fairly pedestrian and yet Corbell, Knapp & Co refused to acknowledge that and continued to hump the ET line.

Is that a surprise ? Really ?

Also he mentioned that even Christopher Mellon acknowledged that the 2017 release of the Navy videos were not classified and had been available for years. He speculated that the NY Times and much more recently Washington Post are simply being sloppy not necessarily involved in a coverup.

Considering some of the tripe those outlets (and many, many others) serve up is that a surprise ? Really ?

OK, this is a reach back but bear with me for one minute. In WW2 we were literally reading Japanese military codes. Code named Magic it was one of the most closely held secrets the US Government had and allowed us to set the trap that became the smashing victory at Midway. A Chicago reporter at an outlet unfriendly to the president - as most were at the time - actually leaked that after the battle.

Typically the administration was horrified and as it was wartime could have literally legally had the man stood up against a wall and shot. Rather than bring any attention to it they ignored it and let it wither on the vine and because information did not propagate the way it does instantly now and fortunately the Japanese were never aware of it.

So, what do you the the government's reaction would be if some ultra classified secret involving UFOs were to be blurted out in public? About the same I'd think.




View: https://podcasts.apple.com/ch/podcast/ep-143-the-black-vaults-week-in-review/id1407064117?i=1000717082180
 
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Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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I don't see much changing since 50's. Its still game of chicken, they release a bit, UFO community tries to cover gaps in released info with speculation, and one, and on it goes.

Luckily things are changing, because there are more and more these instrumented surveillance approaches, both form academia and private individuals. That's going to hurt cover up because there would be finally hard proof.

Interesting tit-bit I stumbled on comes from hedge-fund manager Eric Witnestein who's matematician and who tried to guess where US tried to develop its own UFOs. He went by looking into which university had strongest mathematics department, and he located it to be osme uni at Long Island, where Tedesco brother made their UFO observations. Maybe just coincidence.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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Dejan Corovic said:
here are more and more these instrumented surveillance approaches, both form academia and private individuals.
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That's going to hurt what I call 'the leg humpers' like Corbell & Co. They are involved for themselves not for finding any real answer. In fact having a concrete answer would be detrimental to their livelihood.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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pigfarmer said:
That's going to hurt what I call 'the leg humpers' like Corbell & Co. They are involved for themselves not for finding any real answer. In fact having a concrete answer would be detrimental to their livelihood.
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unfortunately, once UFO hard proof comes out it will be the end of mystery and all the ufology will disappear. No more podcasts to listen while you are doing something else with other free half of brain.
 
Creepy Green Light

Creepy Green Light

Silence = Deaf
I was the only one in my navy squadron (VP-10) that was a UFO believer. Our missions were mostly long 7-13 hours (I have about 1700 hrs logged in the P-3 Orion) and I'd constantly keep a look out for anything strange - day or night. I wish I could say I some something but I never did. 99% of the time we were over open ocean so I had a great opportunity. I got made fun of (in a good natured way) because all the fellas knew about my hobby & hopes of seeing one - but nobody, officers or enlisted - ever saw anything and no radar operator ever found anything of interest. I'm from the belief of intelligent life does exist out there somewhere - but there is zero proof that any of that life has visited the Earth. Members of this site that have been around for a while have heard me say this several times so I apologize for having to repeat it. But starting from around 1978 to the 2000's I was a full on believer but every case that I thought was valid seemed to turn out to be either a hoax/lie or misidentification & that's when my skepticism went up to 100%.

I'd love someone to find real evidence someday but I've been thinking that for decades now.
 
Rick Hunter

Rick Hunter

Celestial
pigfarmer said:
Typically the administration was horrified and as it was wartime could have literally legally had the man stood up against a wall and shot. Rather than bring any attention to it they ignored it and let it wither on the vine and because information did not propagate the way it does instantly now and fortunately the Japanese were never aware of it.

So, what do you think the government's reaction would be if some ultra classified secret involving UFOs were to be blurted out in public? About the same I'd think.
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This, 100%. I think they would be smart enough to know that by pretending not to care about it, people would just assume it was a hoax. I like how the FBI was asked to examine the MJ-12 documents, and their reply was to write BOGUS with a black marker on every single page of it. They knew that by doing so, most people would just follow their lead and not put any more thought into it. And those who still hung on to the documents could now be dismissed as fringe.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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BOMBSHELL: Pentagon created fake UFO evidence, promoted false alien stories

June 11, 2025 | 12:00pm
Over the last 7 years, you’ve probably seen news headlines about multiple UFO whistleblowers who’ve come forward to claim the US government is hiding the existence of aliens and alien technology.
Inspired by these claims, in 2022, the United States Congress mandated the creation of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). AARO was asked to look into these claims, and they were given all the top secret authorities they needed to look everywhere.
In 2024, AARO released a detailed report in which they concluded there were no aliens, no alien technology, and no alien bodies.
But what the public hasn’t really heard yet is that when AARO went looking for the original source of false stories about the government hiding aliens, they discovered that in many instances the source was the government itself.
We interviewed Tim Phillips, a senior 45-year veteran of military and government service. He was the deputy director, and at one point the acting of AARO. He was at the tip of the spear of AARO’s investigations. He says AARO tracked down every witness, every clue, and discovered that the US government was sometimes the source, creator and promoter of false UFO stories, which they used to cover up their human-made top secret technology.

 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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pigfarmer said:
BOMBSHELL: Pentagon created fake UFO evidence, promoted false alien stories

June 11, 2025 | 12:00pm
Over the last 7 years, you’ve probably seen news headlines about multiple UFO whistleblowers who’ve come forward to claim the US government is hiding the existence of aliens and alien technology.
Inspired by these claims, in 2022, the United States Congress mandated the creation of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). AARO was asked to look into these claims, and they were given all the top secret authorities they needed to look everywhere.
In 2024, AARO released a detailed report in which they concluded there were no aliens, no alien technology, and no alien bodies.
But what the public hasn’t really heard yet is that when AARO went looking for the original source of false stories about the government hiding aliens, they discovered that in many instances the source was the government itself.
We interviewed Tim Phillips, a senior 45-year veteran of military and government service. He was the deputy director, and at one point the acting of AARO. He was at the tip of the spear of AARO’s investigations. He says AARO tracked down every witness, every clue, and discovered that the US government was sometimes the source, creator and promoter of false UFO stories, which they used to cover up their human-made top secret technology.

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OK, this makes UFO research much easier. If witness was US government contractor in any capacity run away, and just research UFO cases where witnesses are regular civilians.
 
Rick Hunter

Rick Hunter

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Well, the U.S. government and its many parts aren't exactly a bastion of credibility. Who is to say that "we made it all up" is just the latest in their long history of smokescreens?
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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Dejan Corovic said:
OK, this makes UFO research much easier. If witness was US government contractor in any capacity run away, and just research UFO cases where witnesses are regular civilians.
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Didn't you recently post a long YT video about military contractors and UFO research with 'Dr.X' and all sorts of wild claims? Hence the reason I sincerely doubt things like that.

This is why I have been saying all along my hope is for something like another Ariel School incident or Father Gill or even a Pascagoula. The original Pascagoula with the secret police tape not the weirdness Calvin started to talk about late in life.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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pigfarmer said:
Didn't you recently post a long YT video about military contractors and UFO research with 'Dr.X' and all sorts of wild claims? Hence the reason I sincerely doubt things like that.

This is why I have been saying all along my hope is for something like another Ariel School incident or Father Gill or even a Pascagoula. The original Pascagoula with the secret police tape not the weirdness Calvin started to talk about late in life.
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I did post that video, but these guys were doing instrumented research. Yet, they were still very cagey about what they'll say, and what they'll keep.

Another big thing is that there are 200,000 UFO cases strown over 2 databases in US and 1 database in France of mostly pre-Internet and pre-Photoshop era. There are clear and strong statistical trends in these UFO reports, so one basically just follows these statistical trends. And more or less many UFO influencers by now had recognised these trends and keep on mentioning them in the new UAP lore. So, if military contractor is saying something that is aligned with these strong statistical trends, then that's OK, because in essence its nothing new. All that military contractor will attempt to do is to, say, cover up test of new stealth plane with an UAP story, but in order to keep it believable he'll not depart far away from these UAP statistical trends.

For argument' sake, let's say that military contractor "lied" and UAP case was false, but actual details of the UFO case are still uncompromised.
 
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Creepy Green Light

Creepy Green Light

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Dejan Corovic said:
I don't see much changing since 50's. Its still game of chicken, they release a bit, UFO community tries to cover gaps in released info with speculation, and one, and on it goes.

Luckily things are changing, because there are more and more these instrumented surveillance approaches, both form academia and private individuals. That's going to hurt cover up because there would be finally hard proof.

Interesting tit-bit I stumbled on comes from hedge-fund manager Eric Witnestein who's matematician and who tried to guess where US tried to develop its own UFOs. He went by looking into which university had strongest mathematics department, and he located it to be osme uni at Long Island, where Tedesco brother made their UFO observations. Maybe just coincidence.
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If the government thought for a second that any of their released UFO videos were that of a real flying saucer from another planet - they wouldn't release it. Same thing with the "Alien Autopsy" video from the 90's. If they knew that that was a video showing a real alien autopsy it wouldn't be advertised like "Friday Night at 7pm on Fox - Alien Autopsy" - nobody besides the government would ever see it had it been real.

Real videos of other aircraft (like the example of U.S. plane getting buzzed by a Russian fighter) show that other aircraft in detail. Yet, when it's of a UFO - it's blurry & you can't make heads or tails of it. They release those video's because they have other intel that it's not a flying disc - then the NYT gets a hold of it & suddenly there is "evidence" of a flying disc.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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I've been idly farting around with X for a few weeks and am immensely underwhelmed. It's like a moving wall of useless graffiti. Entertaining in a porcelain reading room kind of way, I find myself watching baby donkey videos and reading Star Trek nonsense but it's not as if it's a portal to a new well informed dimension. Quite the opposite.

Without it though I wouldn't have known a couple of weird things - a Borg cube over a USAF site that was openly let out in a public report that JG caught with FOIA. Interesting. Some other nitwit has been going on about a giant buried UFO and has been sparring with Ross Coulthart, the reigning champion of undisclosed sources that will never be disclosed. Next .....

Lue Elizondo bought himself a bar in Wyoming and called it 'Bombshells' in an attempt to make it a WW2 Officer's Club type of thing. I guess he has family that served. Well, of course X objects to this and already has been searching for 'who really owns it' and found a copyright infringement in the name. Par for the course if you're going to put yourself out there, it's making yourself porch light and he can't complain. I personally never thought too much of Lue and although he associates with Corbell & Co I never made too much of that either beyond not believing what they say. If I ever make it to Wyoming (which I won't) and ran into Lue I'd ask about that cool old Soviet motorcycle he restored and rides and car stuff, not UFOs. Hell, I'd like to quaff a few beverages with George Knapp as I think he'd be interesting as hell. Jeremy can wait outside and be the designated driver - and be quiet.

Owning a bar is not a sign of ostentatious ill-gotten UFO wealth. I could open open one myself without too much difficulty an prove it's a way to risk a lot of money that you stand a good chance of losing. I don't begrudge the man the right to make a living. At least he's not trying to Weaponize my interest in craft beer or ribs, although if you were going to do that to anything those might be worthwhile....

I normally post links but was afraid some of that stupid would get stuck on me.
 
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