UFOs: skeptics, disclosure, and contact

[nivek]

FAA docs expose chilling new details withheld from East Coast drone invasion report​

A mysterious black cube has joined the chilling list of objects spotted hovering over the US during last year's drone invasion. Newly released government reports have revealed five incidents near Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio that have never been disclosed since the swarms of UFOs were seen along the East Coast in late 2024. Along with several sightings of unidentified drones around the secretive Air Force base in December 2024, federal officials now say a 'black cube'-shaped craft was spotted by a nearby airplane less than 80 miles from Wright-Patterson.

Witnesses of the strange object sent their claims to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on December 19, describing how the cube was flying within 500 feet of the plane, which was soaring 16,000 feet above the ground. This would make it incredibly unlikely to be a commercial drone, since those types of devices fly only a few hundred feet above the ground. The FAA recorded this event in their 'SKYWATCH dataset,' which tracks drone sightings near airports or in restricted airspace.

However, when the FAA originally published this sighting in their publicly visible reports, they didn't include any mention of the object being a black cube. Thanks to a recent Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, it was revealed that this sighting and the other drone incidents near Wright-Patterson led to a major security response, including temporarily closing off military airspace.

The new documents were released roughly nine months after the first drone swarms were spotted over the East Coast in November 2024. Hundreds of sightings were made near military bases, residential neighborhoods, and even President Donald Trump's golf course in Bedminster, New Jersey, sparking fears of foreign adversaries spying on American citizens. After promising answers about the origin of these large, slow-moving objects once he took office, Trump said on January 28 the mysterious swarms were 'not the enemy' and had been authorized to conduct 'research.' However, the new documents revealed that federal officials still don't believe what's being told to the public.

The recently released reports showed that both air traffic controllers and the FAA were contacted by officials at Wright-Patterson, but both agencies told the Air Force there were 'no authorized aircraft operating in WPAFB airspace' in December 2024. Just days before the black cube was spotted near Wright-Patterson, four other incidents involving unknown aircraft were reported. On December 17, three reports were made, revealing how military personnel spotted multiple objects on the base's radar just after 12:40am ET. Base personnel, who assumed the objects were more drones, never saw the intruders with their own eyes but alerted local police to search.

Less than 20 minutes later, the situation exploded, with radar screens at Wright-Patterson detecting between seven and 17 UFOs moving within 40 miles of the base's airfield. This time, Wright-Patterson security guards were able to visually confirm that the objects were drones swarming around the base. The Air Force tracked the unmanned drones, but no other action was taken. More than 12 hours later, an aircraft heading in for a landing at Wright-Patterson spotted a silver object just five miles from the base.

Records released from SKYWATCH noted that the crew believed this craft was a drone and recorded it flying at about 3,200 feet above the ground, much lower than the cube. Just three days earlier, air traffic controllers had spotted what they believed was another drone over several sensitive locations at Wright-Patterson on December 14, forcing the base's commander to close the facility until the intruder flew off. The FOIA request by The Black Vault, a website dedicated to sharing declassified government documents, has thrown Wright-Patterson back into the spotlight, as UFO conspiracy theorists have been focused on this facility for decades.

In July 2025, the US military was compelled to release never-before-seen video of two additional incidents over Wright-Patterson on December 13 and December 16, 2024. Guards at the base recorded several craft flying slowly around the facility, including a group of 'four quad-copter drones with red and green lights in a tight diamond formation.' After guards shone their car spotlight on them, they reported that the swarm 'gained altitude and flew away at a rapid speed.' In another chilling incident, another officer spotted an unknown aircraft descending towards the base, getting within 500 feet of landing before it suddenly ascended and vanished into thin air.

UFO researchers and government whistleblowers have said on multiple occasions that the Ohio Air Force base has a direct tie to the 1947 UFO crash in Roswell, New Mexico. During a congressional hearing in May, Dr Eric Davis, a physicist who has been a consultant for the Pentagon's UFO program since 2007, revealed that debris from the Roswell incident was allegedly flown to Wright-Patterson after the crash. The base was also the headquarters for Project Blue Book, the Air Force's official UFO investigation program from 1947 to 1969. It investigated 12,618 sightings, with 701 remaining 'unidentified,' according to declassified records in the National Archives.

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[Creepy Green Light]

I've been idly farting around with X for a few weeks and am immensely underwhelmed. It's like a moving wall of useless graffiti. Entertaining in a porcelain reading room kind of way, I find myself watching baby donkey videos and reading Star Trek nonsense but it's not as if it's a portal to a new well informed dimension. Quite the opposite.

Without it though I wouldn't have known a couple of weird things - a Borg cube over a USAF site that was openly let out in a public report that JG caught with FOIA. Interesting. Some other nitwit has been going on about a giant buried UFO and has been sparring with Ross Coulthart, the reigning champion of undisclosed sources that will never be disclosed. Next .....

Lue Elizondo bought himself a bar in Wyoming and called it 'Bombshells' in an attempt to make it a WW2 Officer's Club type of thing. I guess he has family that served. Well, of course X objects to this and already has been searching for 'who really owns it' and found a copyright infringement in the name. Par for the course if you're going to put yourself out there, it's making yourself porch light and he can't complain. I personally never thought too much of Lue and although he associates with Corbell & Co I never made too much of that either beyond not believing what they say. If I ever make it to Wyoming (which I won't) and ran into Lue I'd ask about that cool old Soviet motorcycle he restored and rides and car stuff, not UFOs. Hell, I'd like to quaff a few beverages with George Knapp as I think he'd be interesting as hell. Jeremy can wait outside and be the designated driver - and be quiet.

Owning a bar is not a sign of ostentatious ill-gotten UFO wealth. I could open open one myself without too much difficulty an prove it's a way to risk a lot of money that you stand a good chance of losing. I don't begrudge the man the right to make a living. At least he's not trying to Weaponize my interest in craft beer or ribs, although if you were going to do that to anything those might be worthwhile....

I normally post links but was afraid some of that stupid would get stuck on me.

X is kinda useless but I have to admit I scroll through my feed probably 2x a day. I mostly follow political figures as well as some UFO channels (ones like Mick West for example) that tend to debunk videos and the new wave of grifters out there like Corbell, Knapp, Grusch, etc. etc. But you are right, most of X is a waste land of trash & nonsense.

 

[pigfarmer]

As I've been saying, whatever 'Disclosure' is would best come from an Ariel School type incident that's public and unequivocal. Anything media/military related is suspect yet generations of people spend their time picking through that shit looking for nuggets of sweet corn. You can make a living from it though, just ask Ross and Jeremy and Greer and a host of others.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

As I've been saying, whatever 'Disclosure' is would best come from an Ariel School type incident that's public and unequivocal. Anything media/military related is suspect yet generations of people spend their time picking through that shit looking for nuggets of sweet corn. You can make a living from it though, just ask Ross and Jeremy and Greer and a host of others.

I was just thinking of the Aeriel School Incident earlier today, thinking to myself that it's a shame that something like that doesn't happen now. Think of how many security cameras schools have as well as everyone having an iPhone/Android phone in their pocket.

Here's another case I was interested in; the Socorro, NM case. I do believe Lonnie Zamora saw something but the question is - what was it. His case is another one that involves flames coming out of the bottom of it. I've heard everything from it was a college prank to a hot air balloon to an experimental lunar lander type thing.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Coincidence, I just put that on my watchlist. There is another interview by her from a month or two ago. She's hot therefore I believe anything she says.

What, did they pick her for this job because her parents are astronauts?

She's hot therefore I believe too lol.

 

[nivek]

70 years on, mystery of encounter with 'goblin-like aliens' still endures​

The strangeness began on August 21st, 1955 when Billy Ray Taylor, who had been visiting his friend Elmer Sutton at his farmhouse in Kelly, Kentucky, spotted something strange in the sky while outside fetching water from a well. The object, which he described as silver in color, "real bright" and "with an exhaust all the colors of the rainbow", proved so terrifying, that he ran indoors and informed both his wife and the other members of the Sutton family that there was a UFO outside and that it had come down somewhere nearby.

Before long, the family had become convinced that there really was someone or something approaching their farmhouse. What followed was a lengthy stand-off - lasting several hours - against alleged alien entities - strange, goblin or gremlin-like creatures described by the family as being approximately 3ft tall, with oversized heads, large ears and talons for fingers. They were also said to have yellow glowing eyes and silvery metallic skin. These supposed creatures were witnesses by several members of the family, sometimes peering in the windows and at other times retreating into the trees.

Both Sutton and Taylor, terrified by what was happening, grabbed guns and tried to shoot at the creatures, but with little success. Eventually, unsure of what else to do, both families bundled into the car and drove to the Hopkinsville police station to ask for help. Officers could see immediately that they were in a clear state of panic about what had happened to them, with one of the family registering a pulse in excess of 140 beats per minute. Four officers quickly drove out to the farmhouse to see for themselves what was going on. They found signs of a struggle, including multiple bullet holes, but no evidence of the creatures.

So what exactly happened ?

One of the most popular explanations is that the family had actually encountered large owls that may have been attempting to defend their nest. Some types of owls are quite large and could, especially in the dark, account for the family's descriptions of small, goblin-like creatures with talons for fingers. It would also explain how the creatures were able to so easily retreat into the trees. Similarly, it has been suggested that the families may have experienced a form of mass hysteria that impaired their judgment about what was going on. Then again, perhaps they really did have an encounter with otherworldly entitites.

We will likely never know for sure.

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[nivek]

Ex-NASA engineer claims trillions of shape-shifting, cloaked devices are hidden across Earth​

A former NASA engineer has made sensational claims that humans are not only reverse-engineering alien technology, but that trillions of invisible extraterrestrial devices may already be hidden across the planet. Richard Banduric, CEO of Field Propulsion Technologies and a former propulsion engineer for NASA and Lockheed Martin, shared the shocking allegations during a December 2024 episode of the Ecosystemic Futures podcast, which has recently resurfaced on social media platform X.

In the interview, Banduric described a covert effort by the US government and private research groups to study advanced materials allegedly recovered from unidentified flying objects. He claimed that many of these mysterious objects were not simply crash debris, but part of what he suspects is a vast, invisible sensor network scattered around the world. The engineer admitted he didn’t know who had placed the devices, but said they were unlike anything ever seen, not just decades ahead of current technology, but hundreds of years beyond it. He described one such device as a 'sliver of metal' that could reconfigure and camouflage itself depending on its surroundings. 'It would cloak itself and try to blend into the environment,' he said. 'That's how we could tell it was extraterrestrial.'

Despite the bold claims, Banduric offered no physical evidence to support them. His comments have reignited online speculation about UFO disclosure, with some users calling 2024 the year 'disclosure really happened.' The Pentagon, however, continues to deny the existence of any alien retrieval programs or confirmed contact with extraterrestrial life.

As for why some advanced group would be scattering tiny objects as part of a global monitoring system, the engineer claimed that extraterrestrials could be trying to influence human society. 'They have all sorts of functions. This really implies that maybe this group is actually manipulating our species,' Banduric warned in his first public comments. Since the 2024 podcast, he and other guests, including UFO researcher Hal Puthoff and former NASA advisor Dr Anna Brady-Estevez, have continued to share details of humanity's attempt to reverse engineer alien technology. He added that it was still possible to acquire these cloaked devices scattered around the world, but his access had been cut off by the groups he was working with after he chose to go public with what he knew in 2024.

Banduric had originally been recruited by the US Department of Defense and the Air Force to work on classified projects aimed at analyzing systems from crashed UFOs. However, he noted that these technologies weren't being used by the US government. Instead, it was non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that were studying most of the recovered alien technology. 'Some of that work I was doing with NGOs was really exciting. But one of the other things that comes out of this is that these individuals, or whoever this group is that has this advanced technology, probably does not want us reverse-engineering what they're working on,' Banduric explained.

To stop other groups or governments from utilizing these materials, scientists discovered that the unknown metals could break apart into tiny particles that couldn't be reactivated. Banduric said that most of the technology from crashed UFOs was being studied and taken apart by non-government groups, not the military. 'They were smart materials. You'd be looking at them and trying to reverse engineer them, they would turn to dust,' the engineer revealed. 'They would do it within a minute or two. Then, you could take the dust, send it off, and get isotropic analysis done on it. It turned out they were extraterrestrial,' he disclosed.

According to Banduric, NGO scientists continued to run into these problems, suggesting that the technology was carefully constructed so that no one would be able to duplicate what they found. Along with being able to self-destruct, scientists examining these materials also found they could bend light around them, projecting the image of whatever was behind the extraterrestrial material in front so no one could see what was there, Banduric claimed. Along with potentially trillions of smaller objects seeded throughout the world, the former government engineer revealed that the US was aware of giant triangle-shaped craft that could use this cloaking technology as well.

The giant triangles Banduric referred to have been described by many people reporting UFO sightings of the years. The engineer noted that they were 'not ours,' implying the triangles scientists were observing were extraterrestrial craft which appeared to vanish after being spotted.

In April, former US national security official Matthew Brown disclosed that classified mission reports he read revealed how a large black triangle-shaped UFO 'decloaked' out of thin air over several Russian vessels in the Pacific. 'The [NGOs] I worked with were trying to figure out how these rather large craft, which people call triangles, would be able to disappear on a dime,' Banduric explained. 'These triangles were taking whatever was behind them and actually projecting it in front of them, which might be equivalent to taking the light rays and bending it around the actual triangle,' he added.

Although Banduric did not reveal how many of these craft had been seen or were in the possession of the US government, another guest on the Ecosystemic Futures podcast did. Dr Puthoff noted that the US military had recovered and were studying at least 10 extraterrestrial craft since the 1940s.

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[Creepy Green Light]

70 years on, mystery of encounter with 'goblin-like aliens' still endures​

The strangeness began on August 21st, 1955 when Billy Ray Taylor, who had been visiting his friend Elmer Sutton at his farmhouse in Kelly, Kentucky, spotted something strange in the sky while outside fetching water from a well. The object, which he described as silver in color, "real bright" and "with an exhaust all the colors of the rainbow", proved so terrifying, that he ran indoors and informed both his wife and the other members of the Sutton family that there was a UFO outside and that it had come down somewhere nearby.

Before long, the family had become convinced that there really was someone or something approaching their farmhouse. What followed was a lengthy stand-off - lasting several hours - against alleged alien entities - strange, goblin or gremlin-like creatures described by the family as being approximately 3ft tall, with oversized heads, large ears and talons for fingers. They were also said to have yellow glowing eyes and silvery metallic skin. These supposed creatures were witnesses by several members of the family, sometimes peering in the windows and at other times retreating into the trees.

Both Sutton and Taylor, terrified by what was happening, grabbed guns and tried to shoot at the creatures, but with little success. Eventually, unsure of what else to do, both families bundled into the car and drove to the Hopkinsville police station to ask for help. Officers could see immediately that they were in a clear state of panic about what had happened to them, with one of the family registering a pulse in excess of 140 beats per minute. Four officers quickly drove out to the farmhouse to see for themselves what was going on. They found signs of a struggle, including multiple bullet holes, but no evidence of the creatures.

So what exactly happened ?

One of the most popular explanations is that the family had actually encountered large owls that may have been attempting to defend their nest. Some types of owls are quite large and could, especially in the dark, account for the family's descriptions of small, goblin-like creatures with talons for fingers. It would also explain how the creatures were able to so easily retreat into the trees. Similarly, it has been suggested that the families may have experienced a form of mass hysteria that impaired their judgment about what was going on. Then again, perhaps they really did have an encounter with otherworldly entitites.

We will likely never know for sure.

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I remember this case from the book I got on Christmas 1971. There was good artwork in it showing a goblin alien peering into a kids bedroom. When I would read my book at night, I knew what page the alien was on, so when I got to the page before - I'd skip two pages so that I didn't have to see the alien looking in the kids bedroom lol.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

70 years on, mystery of encounter with 'goblin-like aliens' still endures​

The strangeness began on August 21st, 1955 when Billy Ray Taylor, who had been visiting his friend Elmer Sutton at his farmhouse in Kelly, Kentucky, spotted something strange in the sky while outside fetching water from a well. The object, which he described as silver in color, "real bright" and "with an exhaust all the colors of the rainbow", proved so terrifying, that he ran indoors and informed both his wife and the other members of the Sutton family that there was a UFO outside and that it had come down somewhere nearby.

Before long, the family had become convinced that there really was someone or something approaching their farmhouse. What followed was a lengthy stand-off - lasting several hours - against alleged alien entities - strange, goblin or gremlin-like creatures described by the family as being approximately 3ft tall, with oversized heads, large ears and talons for fingers. They were also said to have yellow glowing eyes and silvery metallic skin. These supposed creatures were witnesses by several members of the family, sometimes peering in the windows and at other times retreating into the trees.

Both Sutton and Taylor, terrified by what was happening, grabbed guns and tried to shoot at the creatures, but with little success. Eventually, unsure of what else to do, both families bundled into the car and drove to the Hopkinsville police station to ask for help. Officers could see immediately that they were in a clear state of panic about what had happened to them, with one of the family registering a pulse in excess of 140 beats per minute. Four officers quickly drove out to the farmhouse to see for themselves what was going on. They found signs of a struggle, including multiple bullet holes, but no evidence of the creatures.

So what exactly happened ?

One of the most popular explanations is that the family had actually encountered large owls that may have been attempting to defend their nest. Some types of owls are quite large and could, especially in the dark, account for the family's descriptions of small, goblin-like creatures with talons for fingers. It would also explain how the creatures were able to so easily retreat into the trees. Similarly, it has been suggested that the families may have experienced a form of mass hysteria that impaired their judgment about what was going on. Then again, perhaps they really did have an encounter with otherworldly entitites.

We will likely never know for sure.

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Speaking of owl's, look at the sketches of The Flatwoods Monster as compared to that of this owl. They're pretty similar and I can see how being out in the woods at night, already scared to begin with, then running into this owl would make the kids they saw a monster/alien.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

I just watched interview with Ross Coulthart and he said after he joined News Nation their traffic / no. of viewers increased 990%.

 

[nivek]

UFO crashes and explodes in a Polish cornfield, sparking fears​

An unidentified flying object (UFO) crashed and exploded in a cornfield in eastern Poland early Wednesday, according to the country's news agency PAP. Local authorities reported receiving calls about the crash around 2 a.m., discovering charred metal and plastic debris near the village of Osiny. The explosion from the UFO resulted in broken windows in nearby homes, but no injuries were reported, PAP stated.

Poland's Armed Forces Operational Command announced on social media that overnight, there were no recorded violations of Polish airspace by neighboring Ukraine or Belarus. Initially, officials suggested the explosion could have been caused by an old engine part with a propeller. However, Defense Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz later indicated the object was likely a drone, adding that an investigation was underway to determine if it was military or smuggling-related.

Lublin District Prosecutor Grzegorz Trusiewicz informed reporters that several investigators, both civilian and military, were examining the crash site. "We have a lot of manpower, we have the army to help us. I hope that we will be able to finish the operation by the evening," Trusiewicz said.

Since Russia initiated a full-scale invasion of Ukraine over three years ago, there have been multiple intrusions into Polish airspace, causing concern in the European Union and NATO member state and serving as a stark reminder of the proximity of the war. In November, the Pentagon's UFO report unveiled hundreds of new sightings of unexplained aerial phenomena, but none suggested an extraterrestrial source. The review included hundreds of cases where balloons, birds, and satellites were misidentified, as well as some that defy simple explanation, like a near-collision between a commercial airliner and an unknown object off the coast of New York.

While it's unlikely to end any debates about the existence of extraterrestrial life, the report does reflect increased public interest in the subject and the government's attempts to provide some answers. The report was released a day after House lawmakers demanded more government transparency during a hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAPs) - the government's term for UFOs.

Federal efforts to study and identify UAPs have been centered on potential threats to national security or air safety, not their science fiction aspects. Officials at the Pentagon office established in 2022 to track UAPs, known as the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), have stated there's no evidence any of the cases they investigated have otherworldly origins.

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[Rick Hunter]

I remember this case from the book I got on Christmas 1971. There was good artwork in it showing a goblin alien peering into a kids bedroom. When I would read my book at night, I knew what page the alien was on, so when I got to the page before - I'd skip two pages so that I didn't have to see the alien looking in the kids bedroom lol.

My ten year old self hiding under the covers trying to remain motionless after watching Unsolved Mysteries before bed.

 

[Anmak]

As you probably know, my favourite source of UFO information is youtubber Preston Dennett because of sheer volume of UFO cases that he's publishing, that makes possible doing some basic statistics.

Anihow, in several of his videos it came out that so called Grays said that they come from constelation of Orion, but Orion is where Betelgeuse red super-giant star is. Betelgeuse is very unstable star, and possible supernovae candidate. But obviously Betelgeuseis much closer to other stars in Orion constellation then it is to Earth. Although this star is not going to go supernovae any time soon it suggests that Grays might be looking for a new place to settle in. Its worth mentioning that gama ray burst from type 2 supernovae that is within 26 light years from Earth would obliterate ozon layer and cause mass extinction. Currently there are no supernovae candidates withing 500 light years from Earth, so Earth is really friendly place for aliens to migrate to.

Mr. Dennett is awesome. I appreciate giving him a shoutout. Mr. Rosales also compiled an incredible amount of cases over the years (which the majority I think Soul Drifter here has covered in length).

The so called Grays come in many forms, shapes, and sizes, and their alleged point(s) of origin also reflect that. Yes, Orion is one point of interest, but many cases also involve or mention Ursa Major and Ursa Minor as well, even the Cygnus constellation (if we don't include Zeta Reticuli in the mix too and poison the well). What do they mean though? These are general constellations of stars in 3D space. Not precise points in space. The two Ursas are sitting close to each other, and to the Draco constellation as well, which comes up often in Ufology for all sorts of other reasons too. Makes you think. Orion and Cygnus could be general terms denoting from which side of the small local arm of the galaxy they come from (out small local arm is called the Orion-Cygnus spur/Arm).

If its about a fixed star system or general vicinity, as you brought up Betelgeuse, its not the only star often pointed to in these circles or in alleged contacts. Bellatrix, Rigel, and the Belt stars in particular (Alnitak, Alnilam, Mintaka) are often referenced. Other than maybe Saiph & Meissa, and similar but less prominent names of stars, most of these others come up again and again, including the Orion Nebula. All having to do with some of the "Gray" archetypes.. And if they are looking for a place to settle in, that space in Orion has extensive planetary real estate, not needing to go this far out looking for a new home. If they are here, they are here for other reasons/agenda.

As far as why many of the visitor species flock to giant / young / high-UV stars or settle close by (compared to others who do not), is a mystery. I have a theory, but could be way off to the truth.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Mr. Dennett is awesome. I appreciate giving him a shoutout. Mr. Rosales also compiled an incredible amount of cases over the years (which the majority I think Soul Drifter here has covered in length).

The so called Grays come in many forms, shapes, and sizes, and their alleged point(s) of origin also reflect that. Yes, Orion is one point of interest, but many cases also involve or mention Ursa Major and Ursa Minor as well, even the Cygnus constellation (if we don't include Zeta Reticuli in the mix too and poison the well). What do they mean though? These are general constellations of stars in 3D space. Not precise points in space. The two Ursas are sitting close to each other, and to the Draco constellation as well, which comes up often in Ufology for all sorts of other reasons too. Makes you think. Orion and Cygnus could be general terms denoting from which side of the small local arm of the galaxy they come from (out small local arm is called the Orion-Cygnus spur/Arm).

If its about a fixed star system or general vicinity, as you brought up Betelgeuse, its not the only star often pointed to in these circles or in alleged contacts. Bellatrix, Rigel, and the Belt stars in particular (Alnitak, Alnilam, Mintaka) are often referenced. Other than maybe Saiph & Meissa, and similar but less prominent names of stars, most of these others come up again and again, including the Orion Nebula. All having to do with some of the "Gray" archetypes.. And if they are looking for a place to settle in, that space in Orion has extensive planetary real estate, not needing to go this far out looking for a new home. If they are here, they are here for other reasons/agenda.

As far as why many of the visitor species flock to giant / young / high-UV stars or settle close by (compared to others who do not), is a mystery. I have a theory, but could be way off to the truth.

Quite an overview!

Lots of UV light might simply mean lots of plants, and lots of food. As well UV light can be turned into electricity. But I think grays are generally evasive about where they come from.

In one instance one gray said that their population is only a few billion ( much less than us ), they have x4 Dyson star like outposts far from each other and serving as resting and repair points. Grays that we see are apparently just their scientists keeping an eye on things. Each individual lives hundreds of years. And they are billion years ahead of us technologically, not just few hundred as I originally thought.

But the main thing is that, according to grays, them and us are the same species and for all practical purposes we can interbreed without slightest problem.

As of recently I tried to figure out their social and human side, rather than technological. But conversations with them are always sparse, and witnesses forget the most of content. On top of it all one has to take it with a great pinch of salt, but it's better then nothing.

 

[Anmak]

Quite an overview!

Lots of UV light might simply mean lots of plants, and lots of food. As well UV light can be turned into electricity. But I think grays are generally evasive about where they come from.

In one instance one gray said that their population is only a few billion ( much less than us ), they have x4 Dyson star like outposts far from each other and serving as resting and repair points. Grays that we see are apparently just their scientists keeping an eye on things. Each individual lives hundreds of years. And they are billion years ahead of us technologically, not just few hundred as I originally thought.

But the main thing is that, according to grays, them and us are the same species and for all practical purposes we can interbreed without slightest problem.

As of recently I tried to figure out their social and human side, rather than technological. But conversations with them are always sparse, and witnesses forget the most of content. On top of it all one has to take it with a great pinch of salt, but it's better then nothing.

Dyson spheres need a lot of energy to be maintained. Giant stars with a lot of UV or IR light make sense then to be "points of origin"/"home". I think they have splintered into many groups depending on the habitat they reside on. I think the lanky thin ones with tall frames likely are used to on low G asteroids. Others have human-like eyes which would suggest stars in the M-F variety. Some look like they are semi-aquatic. I have to compile some drawings (perhaps in a separate thread, just to illustrate this point - either they are naturally highly adaptable, or have no problem gene-editing themselves to fit a habitat.

I don't think they are that more advanced, A billion years difference is too extreme. They seem to do a lot of cloning and gene splicing as well as hybridization with other species, but we are not that far from this ourselves. Even from mainstream perspective of science. Let alone science achievements in the shadow. The only thing holding us back is morals and ethical considerations. Otherwise it'd be common practice, even today.

Next, megastructures - if we take the Dyson shells comment as true at face value. We are only short on carbon nanotube mass production as well as extraction methods or lab-made versions of metallic hydrogen. There are other things we would need, but these two are primary setbacks, for now. In the next 2 or 3 centuries we're getting there. Its probably gonna start with modest projects like sky elevators or mass drivers on Earth, Moon & Mars, but will continue with Halo-like rings or O'Neal cylinders etc. eventually getting to the Dyson-sized things.

What's left, travel? We already, allegedly, have hybridized craft, reverse-engineered craft and even functional craft wholly alien and not made by human hands and minds. And allegedly, its what the so-called breakaway civilization has used to set foot on many locations in space to ensure human survival and not only that but also a one foot up over some other groups who tend to prey on planetbound species who haven't "left their nest".

As far as them being us in some way - maybe. But not in time travel sense. My theory is that humanoid, and even anthropoid (human-looking) beings are products of common ancestry that began here, long, long ago. We keep finding older and older civilizations, and older and older fossils of human species, some findings go back millions of years. If you are familiar with the premise of the Orion's Arm project, I think that the gist of it, already happened IRL here on Earth, but in the past. Ancient civilizations left the planet and populated many other worlds, spread out, some forgot their actual home and claim their home is the settled planet they came from, others know their ancestors came from here so they do claim "they are us".

It probably happened several times during the course of our development and regression as a species. And some probably came back here acting as the gods of old mythologies too. Resetting our species whenever we get close to advanced tech capable of getting us off this rock, just so that they have "less competition" out there. Or it could be other reasons. I think that would explain why so many humanoid species visit us, even some that look identically like us.

Bear in mind though, that these are not the only kind of visitors. Them being humanoid baffles those contacted/abducted, so most such cases gain notoriety and publicity, but many visitors are quite alien in the deepest sense of the word. Those cases are more obscure though, but they exist and show that there is variety out there.

 

[nivek]

I think I'll make a thread and move all of the 3I/ATLAS posts into it...

EDIT:

Here is the new thread:

3I/ATLAS UFO

Chilling theory emerges about suspicious activity in space... as Harvard expert warns we will tear ourselves apart: 'Time to worry' A Harvard astrophysicist has sounded the alarm over an interstellar object hurtling toward Earth, warning humanity is unprepared if it turns out to be alien...

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[nivek]

Pentagon baffled by 8,000 mysterious UFO orbs hovering over US military bases​

An invasion of small metallic orbs has been spotted hovering over the US in recent years, leaving the Pentagon scrambling to identify these mysterious UFOs. A new report from the crowdsourced platform Enigma, which allows people to report sightings of unidentified flying objects (UFOs), reveals more than 8,000 sightings across the US between December 2022 and June 2025.

Among these, 422 reports specifically describe metallic orbs, with the majority observed between 1am and 4am near military installations in New York, California, and Arizona. Eyewitnesses, including civilians, pilots, and military personnel, reported seeing the spheres hover silently before moving at extreme speeds, leaving no trace of their departure.

Some of the sightings have been captured on video or radar, though many remain unexplained. 'I was walking into work when I looked up and saw two metallic liquid-like objects hovering for about two minutes,' said one witness over Brooklyn's Fort Hamilton in June 2024. Another in California described seeing a metallic orb above Los Angeles shortly after a squadron of planes flew by.

The Pentagon's All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) has been charged with investigating claims of UFOs and has dismissed many as natural phenomena like flocks of birds, conventional aircraft, drones, balloons, or other explainable objects. However, some cases have remained unsolved, reportedly due to a lack of data. Of the 757 UFO cases between May 2023 and June 2024 released in AARO's annual report, 21 cases were classified as unresolved sightings.

Military drone footage from the Middle east in 2022 revealed a metal sphere flying through the sky in broad daylight (circled in purple)

The crowdsourced platform Enigma reported that over 8,000 orbs have been seen over the US since December 2022

Although the Pentagon and civilian groups like the National UFO Reporting Center (NUFORC) have also been cataloging these incidents, many have continued to baffle military officials, who have no way of explaining what was seen. While the new report focused on the thousands of sightings in the US over the last three years, strange orbs have been documented all over the world, from Puerto Rico to the Middle East.

Moreover, these tiny craft have apparently been visiting our skies for decades, with pilots during World War II reporting similar orbs over the skies of Europe. Enigma revealed that more than 360 'metallic orb' reports took place within a few miles of military bases here on US soil. In three of those cases, witnesses revealed that the orbs got within five miles of Fort Hamilton in New York, Papago Military Reserve in Arizona, and Los Angeles Air Force Base on multiple occasions. These mystery orb sightings include one shocking encounter revealed by Dr Sean Kirkpatrick, the former director of AARO, which was captured on a MQ-9 Reaper drone's camera in the Middle East in 2022.

Enigma revealed that witnesses spotted strange orbs flying above Fort Hamilton military base in New York multiple times

Even more close calls were documented around Los Angeles Air Force Base in California between 2022 and 2025

Kirkpatrick warned that if these videos didn't prove that aliens exist, then they're evidence that a rival foreign power could be 'doing stuff in our backyard.' Some theories have suggested these orbs could be surveillance devices from foreign powers like China or Russia. Government officials believed they might be advanced drones, due to their tremendous agility and ability to avoid radar, according to a 2022 report in the New York Times.

This theory exploded into rampant paranoia last year, when countless drones were spotted flying over the East Coast, including over key military sites and President Trump's property in New Jersey. As for Enigma's report, many of the orb sightings have been concentrated in Texas and Florida. In fact, visitors at Disney World's Epcot in Florida got an unexpected sight this month, when a glowing orb appeared over the amusement park.

After searching online and finding no information about drones or satellites in the area, Morgan Huelsman, digital director of The Bobby Bones Show, described the object as a 'UFO,' adding, 'definitely a UFO with aliens.' The Enigma platform has also received sightings from all over the US, over critical infrastructure such as power plants, and over naval vessels at sea.

The Buga Sphere recovered in Colombia (pictured) remains one of the only pieces of physical evidence tied to metallic orb sightings worldwide

However, the most convincing proof of this invasion of mysterious orbs has been found in Colombia, where locals actually recovered a metallic sphere that was seen hovering over the town of Buga in March. The 'Buga Sphere' has become a major topic of discussion among UFO researchers, with scientists claiming the object contains a maze of fiber-optic wires that suggest it can send and receive signals. After striking a power line and crashing to the ground, the object also appeared to have somehow dehydrated the field it landed in, killing all the grass and soil where it touched down.

Scientists suggested this was proof that the object produced some kind of energy field, but researchers had not attempted to forcibly cut the object open so far. The sphere has since been taken to Mexico for further analysis. However, UFO researcher Dr Julia Mossbridge from the University of San Diego is among the many who doubt the authenticity of the Buga Sphere, calling it a 'man-made art project.'

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[pigfarmer]

George Knapp, eh ?

I'll put this into my 'why bother' file. In this thread I mentioned that things like this get trotted out not for transparency but to make it all sound ridiculous and it's achieving that goal. If there is some cabal protecting secrets nothing's changed this is just a wad of public bubble gum.

Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection

 

[pigfarmer]

Worth a look ...................

Steven Greenstreet

 

[pigfarmer]

UAP hearings this morning 10am.