UFOs: skeptics, disclosure, and contact

pigfarmer

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
The statements from Nuccetelli, Wiggins and Borland are short and seem quite credible and I'll be interested to hear them speak.

Unfortunately George Knapp is in there being the fly in the soup repeating UFO lore - unsurprising as that's what he does. As I've said, I think he can be very engaging and I'd love to sit and have a couple of drinks with him but wish he were not involved in any of this. Or Corbell or Coulthart or Greer or .....
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below

Bombshell new video shows US military's direct hit on glowing UFO with hellfire missile​

A group of military whistleblowers testified under oath that they've seen UFOs and that the US intelligence community has tried to cover it up. Three Navy and Air Force veterans testified Tuesday morning on Capitol Hill at the third congressional hearing on unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs), the new term for UFOs, since 2023.

During the hearing, Congressman Eric Burlison of Missouri showed shocking, never-before-seen footage of a UFO being struck by a Hellfire missile from a US military drone on October 30, 2024. The black-and-white video captured the 100-pound class air-to-ground precision weapon bouncing off the mysterious orb, which continued traveling at extreme speed off the coast of Yemen.

Witness Jeffrey Nuccetelli, a former Air Force military police officer for 16 years, called the new video 'exceptional evidence' of the existence of UFOs. He and the other men disclosed how they saw multiple types of strange, unexplained craft while on duty, including giant triangles, glowing cubes larger than a football field, and the infamous Tic-Tac-shaped vehicles spotted over the Pacific Ocean.

Along with their eye-witness accounts, two of the veterans claimed that the US government has attempted to keep their incidents a secret, allegedly threatening witnesses to stay quiet and blacklisting at least one of the veterans. Dylan Borland, a former Air Force geospatial intelligence specialist, said in his opening statement that multiple government agencies blocked him from getting work, forged his documents, and manipulated his security clearance.

Congressman Eric Burlison of Missouri revealed video of a US military drone striking an orb-shaped UFO with a missile, which bounced off and did not stop the craft. Borland claimed that happened after he reported sightings of a 100-foot triangle flying low over him at Virginia's Langley Air Force Base in 2012 to his superiors. The large craft interfered with his telephone, made no sound, and rapidly ascended thousands of feet in seconds, Borland told the members of Congress.

While in the government's classified Special Access Program (SAP), Borland added that other intelligence officers told him they had also faced retaliation after reporting their own encounters with UFOs. Additionally, Borland claimed that the US intelligence community was engaging in phishing attacks in an attempt to assess what he disclosed to the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) during a polygraph test in November 2024.

When asked by South Carolina congresswoman Nancy Mace if he feared for his safety, Borland said he didn't believe a government group was currently attempting to kill him, but his reputation has been so damaged that he's currently living off of unemployment assistance. When it was Nuccetelli's turn to speak, the Air Force veteran said that he witnessed five unexplained incidents at California's Vandenberg Air Force Base between 2003 and 2005. Those included receiving reports of a 'glowing red square' hovering silently over missile defense sites and witnessing a giant rectangle-shaped ship over 100 yards long on the same night in October 2003.

A week later, Nuccetelli said he documented how patrols at the base saw a strange light over the ocean heading toward Vandenberg. When guards called for help, the object quickly descended, hovered briefly, and then vanished. Dylan Borland, a former Air Force geospatial intelligence specialist, claimed that he was retaliated against by the US government after reporting on UFO encounters. It was after this incident that Nuccetelli claimed a witness to the close encounter was threatened by their superiors to stay quiet.

When Colorado Congresswoman Lauren Boebert asked Nuccetelli about the status of the investigations into the reports, the Air Force veteran said the military had been regularly destroying all police records every three years, including the reports made at Vandenberg. 'They destroyed all the police records, so you couldn't even call the Air Force and ask them if there was a vehicle accident,' Nuccetelli said.

In his opening statement, Nuccetelli added that he and two other military police officers witnessed an orb with pulsing lights that moved like a butterfly flying over his house while they were off duty. Alexandro Wiggins, an active duty US Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer, was also brought in as a witness and described a strange encounter while aboard the USS Jackson off the Southern California coast on February 15, 2023. Wiggins witnessed a Tic-Tac craft emerge from the Pacific and join three other Tic-Tacs in a flying formation over the navy vessel.

All of the Tic-Tacs shot off at the same time with incredible speed, without creating a sonic boom or making the typical engine trails of a plane or drone.

The chairwoman of the hearing, Rep. Anna Paulina Luna of Florida, claimed in her opening statement that the former leader of the Pentagon's UAP investigating office (ARRO), Dr Sean Kirkpatrick, was a 'documented liar' who undermined UFO investigations. Later in the hearing, Luna added that she would be happy to subpoena Kirkpatrick to testify on the alleged misconduct at the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office. Also testifying before Congress was Joe Spielberger, a senior policy counsel at the Project On Government Oversight (POGO), who emphasized the critical role of whistleblowers in exposing government wrongdoing.

George Knapp, a chief investigative reporter for KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, who highlighted a decades-long pursuit of the UAP story through government documents and witness accounts, was at the hearing as well, documenting years of suspicious behavior surrounding the government's official narratives about UFOs. Knapp said during the hearing that Americans were told for decades that there was no documentation of any kind of strange craft, but that changed when the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) was enacted in 1966.

The journalist noted that thousands of pages of previously classified documents have suddenly been released in the ensuing decades, including many involving reports of UAPs worldwide.

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Rick Hunter

Rick Hunter

Celestial
I would be surprised if they did not have air to air capability. Remotely piloted fighter planes have been a thing since right after WWII when surplus P-51's were fitted with radio controls for that purpose. As I understand it, they were tried out in Korea but the technology was nowhere close to where they could be successful.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I watched their opening statements but kept falling asleep. George spoke well, he's a bit of a raconteur but the image of that idiot with the beard behind him make my spleen swell.

Did this accomplish anything and I missed it ?
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I am not weighing in one way or the other on the UAP hit by the missile we saw in these hearings but am not surprised at skepticism toward it. The videos that came to light as part of the 2017 NYT article turned out to be not quite what they were initially presented to be. I'd point out there's a difference between skepticism and knee-jerk skepticism - that's just dismissal. I'm just saying IDK and suggest caution before accepting this at face value.

I am also not in the habit of regurgitating social media nonsense nor am I on Reddit but I did find this interesting and wouldn't be surprised if we hear more about this later.

The notion an airborne UAP/UFO would be hit by a Hellfire missile is pretty ridiculous

By now we've all seen the video and heard the explanation–a Reaper drone shot down a UFO with a missile.
I don't buy it, and here are the factual reasons why.
The testimony clearly stated a Reaper drone fired a Hellfire missile at the UAP, striking it and possibly destroying it.
The Hellfire missile was designed specifically for ground-based, armored targets. It can be used for airborne targets, but only if they are slow moving or stationary, like drones or helicopters. It also doesn't have a proximity fuse like an air-to-air missile, meaning it has to actually strike the target to explode.
It is a slow missile, as missiles go, with a terminal velocity of about mach 1.3. This is why it can't be fired by fast moving aircraft, even the relatively slow A10, which carry the Maverick missile instead.
It is also, in most cases, laser guided. The target must be designated constantly with a laser beam, which the missile "rides in."
The Reaper has an on-board laser targeting system that is either AI- (presumably) or human-controlled. Another aircraft–even another drone–working in tandem can also designate the target. It is a difficult job to target fast moving vehicles, and by fast moving I mean ground-based vehicles like technicals at 60+ MPH.
There is a radar guided (more accurately, radar assisted) variant that can be fired at long range by the AH64 Longbow, but that version is not carried by the reaper drone.
Considering all of the above FACTS, which can be substantiated by Wikipedia for the lazy or Jane's for the pedantic (like me), I don't see how this story adds up whatsoever, unless the target was something like a balloon.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
pigfarmer said:
Considering all of the above FACTS, which can be substantiated by Wikipedia
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lots of facts, but not a single relevant one.

Indeed he read both Wikipedia and Janes, poured in a ton of FACTS (me shouting, just an him). But none of listed FACTS would prevent Hellfire from hitting UFO? I mean "slow" missile hitting target at "only" 1.3 Mach, which is around 1,600 km/sec. or mile a second, that's like nothing? Really? mile a second is ballpark speed of a bullet, only a bullet is few grams, and Hellfire missile is at least 50 kg / 100 lbs.. Let's say that if that 50 kg / 100 lbs Hellfire hit a car without exploding that car would still be wrecked beyond repair. IMHO that would be the FACT.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
When the videos first came out in late 2017 thanks to the NY Times there were all sorts of experts generating FACTS. I am simply suggesting there might be a plausible alternative and based on recent history think it's fair to question the provenance of that video. I really don't know much about it
 
Rick Hunter

Rick Hunter

Celestial
Well, Congresswoman Lee is basically using all her time to take shots at the current President and his pals rather than asking about the subject matter at hand.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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Rick Hunter said:
Well, Congresswoman Lee is basically using all her time to take shots at the current President and his pals rather than asking about the subject matter at hand.
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The Moon could de-orbit and come hurtling towards the Earth and in the last few moments as we see the enormous fiery orb rocketing towards our total extinction there are many who would lower the masks they still wear in order to blame Donald Trump for it and be offended at the incorrect use of pronouns (or something equally important).

They can't help it and will continue to do it well after he's gone because they have been programmed to do so. Literally programmed.
 
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Rick Hunter

Rick Hunter

Celestial
pigfarmer said:
The Moon could de-orbit and come hurtling towards the Earth and in the last few moments as we see the enormous fiery orb hurtling towards our total extinction there are many who would lower the masks they still wear in order to blame Donald Trump for it and be offended at the incorrect use of pronouns (or something equally important).

They can't help it and will continue to do it well after he's gone because they have been programmed to do so. Literally programmed.
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Yes, just like the robots on the conservative side would be blaming the LGBT movement, illegal immigrants, and the stolen 2020 election for it.
 
Rick Hunter

Rick Hunter

Celestial
That was a really good hearing. George Knapp really came across well and sounded quite reasonable. I don't agree with him all the time, but he is very good at what he does. The witnesses did a good job showing the word gymnastics that AARO has performed in order to claim there is no "scientific" evidence of UFOs being from outside Earth. Maybe they took lessons from Bill Clinton...
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Rick Hunter said:
That was a really good hearing. George Knapp really came across well and sounded quite reasonable. I don't agree with him all the time, but he is very good at what he does. The witnesses did a good job showing the word gymnastics that AARO has performed in order to claim there is no "scientific" evidence of UFOs being from outside Earth. Maybe they took lessons from Bill Clinton...
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I like George but he's talking about Bob Lazar who has been thoroughly discredited plus he's mixed in with a group that is doing this topic no good service or the others who testified.
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below

Shocking footage appears to show missile's direct hit on 'UFO' in China​

(Video and more on the link)

A stunning explosion was captured after a missile appeared to destroy an unidentified flying object, sparking many wild theories about what was really hit. Residents in the Shandong Province of China recorded a bright, slow-moving object flying close to the ground moments before it appeared to disintegrate in a brilliant flash and fall to Earth. Videos shared on Chinese social media platforms showed a red fireball seemingly being launched like a surface-to-air missile towards the object, followed by two loud explosions.

The incident occurred on Friday, September 12, near the cities of Weifang and Rizhao, around 9pm local time in China (9am ET in the US). News of the mysterious explosion spread quickly online, reaching social media platforms in the US, where people began to speculate that the Chinese military had either shot down a drone, a meteor, or a UFO. No official statements from the Chinese government or military have confirmed what happened.

However, the incident happened at the same time as scheduled military exercises in the nearby Bohai Sea, where China's military announced they were practicing with live weapons. The potential missile strike came just days after a US congressional hearing revealed shocking footage of a military drone's Hellfire missile appearing to bounce off a UFO.

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ImmortalLegend527

ImmortalLegend527

The Messenger Of All Gods old and new
nivek said:

Bombshell new video shows US military's direct hit on glowing UFO with hellfire missile​

A group of military whistleblowers testified under oath that they've seen UFOs and that the US intelligence community has tried to cover it up. Three Navy and Air Force veterans testified Tuesday morning on Capitol Hill at the third congressional hearing on unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs), the new term for UFOs, since 2023.

During the hearing, Congressman Eric Burlison of Missouri showed shocking, never-before-seen footage of a UFO being struck by a Hellfire missile from a US military drone on October 30, 2024. The black-and-white video captured the 100-pound class air-to-ground precision weapon bouncing off the mysterious orb, which continued traveling at extreme speed off the coast of Yemen.

Witness Jeffrey Nuccetelli, a former Air Force military police officer for 16 years, called the new video 'exceptional evidence' of the existence of UFOs. He and the other men disclosed how they saw multiple types of strange, unexplained craft while on duty, including giant triangles, glowing cubes larger than a football field, and the infamous Tic-Tac-shaped vehicles spotted over the Pacific Ocean.

Along with their eye-witness accounts, two of the veterans claimed that the US government has attempted to keep their incidents a secret, allegedly threatening witnesses to stay quiet and blacklisting at least one of the veterans. Dylan Borland, a former Air Force geospatial intelligence specialist, said in his opening statement that multiple government agencies blocked him from getting work, forged his documents, and manipulated his security clearance.

Congressman Eric Burlison of Missouri revealed video of a US military drone striking an orb-shaped UFO with a missile, which bounced off and did not stop the craft. Borland claimed that happened after he reported sightings of a 100-foot triangle flying low over him at Virginia's Langley Air Force Base in 2012 to his superiors. The large craft interfered with his telephone, made no sound, and rapidly ascended thousands of feet in seconds, Borland told the members of Congress.

While in the government's classified Special Access Program (SAP), Borland added that other intelligence officers told him they had also faced retaliation after reporting their own encounters with UFOs. Additionally, Borland claimed that the US intelligence community was engaging in phishing attacks in an attempt to assess what he disclosed to the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) during a polygraph test in November 2024.

When asked by South Carolina congresswoman Nancy Mace if he feared for his safety, Borland said he didn't believe a government group was currently attempting to kill him, but his reputation has been so damaged that he's currently living off of unemployment assistance. When it was Nuccetelli's turn to speak, the Air Force veteran said that he witnessed five unexplained incidents at California's Vandenberg Air Force Base between 2003 and 2005. Those included receiving reports of a 'glowing red square' hovering silently over missile defense sites and witnessing a giant rectangle-shaped ship over 100 yards long on the same night in October 2003.

A week later, Nuccetelli said he documented how patrols at the base saw a strange light over the ocean heading toward Vandenberg. When guards called for help, the object quickly descended, hovered briefly, and then vanished. Dylan Borland, a former Air Force geospatial intelligence specialist, claimed that he was retaliated against by the US government after reporting on UFO encounters. It was after this incident that Nuccetelli claimed a witness to the close encounter was threatened by their superiors to stay quiet.

When Colorado Congresswoman Lauren Boebert asked Nuccetelli about the status of the investigations into the reports, the Air Force veteran said the military had been regularly destroying all police records every three years, including the reports made at Vandenberg. 'They destroyed all the police records, so you couldn't even call the Air Force and ask them if there was a vehicle accident,' Nuccetelli said.

In his opening statement, Nuccetelli added that he and two other military police officers witnessed an orb with pulsing lights that moved like a butterfly flying over his house while they were off duty. Alexandro Wiggins, an active duty US Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer, was also brought in as a witness and described a strange encounter while aboard the USS Jackson off the Southern California coast on February 15, 2023. Wiggins witnessed a Tic-Tac craft emerge from the Pacific and join three other Tic-Tacs in a flying formation over the navy vessel.

All of the Tic-Tacs shot off at the same time with incredible speed, without creating a sonic boom or making the typical engine trails of a plane or drone.

The chairwoman of the hearing, Rep. Anna Paulina Luna of Florida, claimed in her opening statement that the former leader of the Pentagon's UAP investigating office (ARRO), Dr Sean Kirkpatrick, was a 'documented liar' who undermined UFO investigations. Later in the hearing, Luna added that she would be happy to subpoena Kirkpatrick to testify on the alleged misconduct at the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office. Also testifying before Congress was Joe Spielberger, a senior policy counsel at the Project On Government Oversight (POGO), who emphasized the critical role of whistleblowers in exposing government wrongdoing.

George Knapp, a chief investigative reporter for KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, who highlighted a decades-long pursuit of the UAP story through government documents and witness accounts, was at the hearing as well, documenting years of suspicious behavior surrounding the government's official narratives about UFOs. Knapp said during the hearing that Americans were told for decades that there was no documentation of any kind of strange craft, but that changed when the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) was enacted in 1966.

The journalist noted that thousands of pages of previously classified documents have suddenly been released in the ensuing decades, including many involving reports of UAPs worldwi
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