Under Surveillance by Nine Alien Civilizations?

[nivek]

“How would an alien observer see the solar system?”

This is the question that inspired the study by researchers at Queen’s University Belfast and the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Germany published in the latest edition of the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. Lead author Robert Wells, a PhD student at Queen’s University Belfast, says they started with the list of what is now thousands of planets that can be observed from Earth orbiting other stars.

One reason they can be seen is that they make a dark spot when passing in front of their star and do it at intervals suggesting they‘re planets and not comets, giant space ships or Dyson spheres. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist (or a PhD student at Queen’s University Belfast) to flip that scenario around and figure out that if we can see them, they can probably see us. And, since we always assume that extraterrestrials are smarter than us, they can probably seem more than we do.

“However the more important factor is actually how close the planet is to its parent star – since the terrestrial planets are much closer to the sun than the gas giants, they’ll be more likely to be seen in transit.”

Diagram of a planet transiting in front of its star. Left: The lower black curve shows the brightness of the star noticeably dimming during transit when the planet is blocking some of its light. Right: Observer on green exoplanet is in the transit zone and can see transits of the Earth. (Credit: R. Wells)

These zones of transit are called ‘transit zones’ (astronomers haven’t been able to come up with clever names since the ancient Greeks) and, as Wells points out, planets that are solid and close to their star – like Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars in our solar system – are more likely to be seen in the transit zones than larger gas balls like Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and (fill in your favorite political figure here). Based on that, they determined that at most three planets could be seen crossing in front of the Sun at any one time.

Image showing where transits of our Solar System planets can be observed; blue line represents Earth. (Credit: 2MASS / A. Mellinger / R. Wells)

Seen by whom? Looking at (and imagining looking from) the thousands of known exoplanets, they determined that an observer on 68 of them could see at least one planet on our transit zone and nine of those would be in the ideal position to see the Earth.

If you’re planning to put up a lead umbrella in their direction, those Peeping ET planets are HATS-11b, 1RXS 1609b, LKCA 15b, WASP-47b, c, d, e, WASP-68b, and WD 1145+017b. You can find their stars and location in the The Extrasolar Planets Encyclopaedia.

Earth May Be Under Surveillance by Nine Alien Civilizations

Abstract
"The detection of thousands of extrasolar planets by the transit method naturally raises the question of whether potential extrasolar observers could detect the transits of the Solar System planets. We present a comprehensive analysis of the regions in the sky from where transit events of the Solar System planets can be detected. We specify how many different Solar System planets can be observed from any given point in the sky, and find the maximum number to be three.

We report the probabilities of a randomly positioned external observer to be able to observe single and multiple Solar System planet transits; specifically, we find a probability of 2.518% to be able to observe at least one transiting planet, 0.229% for at least two transiting planets, and 0.027% for three transiting planets.

We identify 68 known exoplanets that have a favourable geometric perspective to allow transit detections in the Solar System and we show how the ongoing K2 mission will extend this list. We use occurrence rates of exoplanets to estimate that there are 3.2 ± 1.2 and 6.6 temperate Earth-sized planets orbiting GK and M dwarf stars brighter than V = 13 and V = 16 respectively, that are located in the Earth’s transit zone."

Transit Visibility Zones of the Solar System Planets | Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society | Oxford Academic

 

[SOUL-DRIFTER]

By their understanding perhaps.
At least they are considering it.
I'll given them that much.

 

[nivek]

By their understanding perhaps.
At least they are considering it.
I'll given them that much.

If the magic number is 9 then perhaps some of those were the oldest visitors to our planet before we started splitting the atom...

 

[SOUL-DRIFTER]

Maybe.
I think we were discovered by passing aliens long long ago.
We must also consider that science thinks time travel to the future is possible.
How hard is it to think that many whom has mastered space travel may very well be able to travel to the future. Therefore any world with life bearing elements would be a great candidate to investigate it's future. So some alien could have stopped by a few millions years ago and decided to see what life will evolve to and they then see us as we develop. That information is then placed into a data bank that is shared among many other alien races and it becomes as a chain letter. So in those few million years almost every space faring species in the galaxy and perhaps other galaxies now knows about us....

 

[AlienView]

Curious you should come up with 9 - There was, and apparently still is, a small group who believe they are receiving off-world messages from "The Council of Nine"

I first read about this group in the very interesting book: "The Stargate Conspiracy: The Truth about Extraterrestrial life and the Mysteries of Ancient Egypt by Lynn Picknet, and Clive Prince, Copyright 2001.

They get into the Council of Nine who were supposedly in contact with many people way back in the 1950s and 60s. And the supposed fact that many scientists believe they had been influenced by real alien contact

Ultimately though the book concludes, as a matter of the the authors opinions and conclusions - That it was all part of a government psyops operation and had nothing to do with aliens.

 

[nivek]

They get into the Council of Nine who were supposedly in contact with many people way back in the 1950s and 60s. And the supposed fact that many scientists believe they had been influenced by real alien contact

Ultimately though the book concludes, as a matter of the the authors opinions and conclusions - That it was all part of a government psyops operation and had nothing to do with aliens.

What was their purpose in contacting variois people in the 50s and 60s?...I've heard that theory before, there's some who think all UFOs are terrestrial, built and controlled by various governments...

 

[AlienView]

What was their purpose in contacting variois people in the 50s and 60s?...I've heard that theory before, there's some who think all UFOs are terrestrial, built and controlled by various governments...

Purpose? - I don't think anyone has ever proved an absolute purpose for Human life - And no one has yet to prove absolutely that other {Aliens} forms of life exist - Purpose and aliens are still open to speculation.

But like I say - The same speculation occurs when you try to find any purpose in any life form or state of existence - We as Humans still don't know why we are here - Maybe our hypothetical alien friends will one day tell us.

It comes down to this: They are either 1. Imaginary, 2. Interplanetary [or intergalactic} or 3. Interdimensional. And if they are coming from 'here' probably interdimensional.

 

[ImmortalLegend527]

If the magic number is 9 then perhaps some of those were the oldest visitors to our planet before we started splitting the atom...

You honestly really do not understand which door you just opened by stating what you just said.

Greatest secret ever told ranked 3 all time

Thiers one planet that has a surface of 300 degrees Fahrenheit but the rocks on the surface are special and it cools the caves and below the surface to 65 degrees...the rocks also drips water.

 

[nivek]

Maybe.
I think we were discovered by passing aliens long long ago.
We must also consider that science thinks time travel to the future is possible.
How hard is it to think that many whom has mastered space travel may very well be able to travel to the future. Therefore any world with life bearing elements would be a great candidate to investigate it's future. So some alien could have stopped by a few millions years ago and decided to see what life will evolve to and they then see us as we develop. That information is then placed into a data bank that is shared among many other alien races and it becomes as a chain letter. So in those few million years almost every space faring species in the galaxy and perhaps other galaxies now knows about us....

I agree we've been 'discovered by passing aliens and also local aliens, but when we started detonating nukes we made ourselves known to aliens who previously had no idea of our existence...

 

[nivek]

Thiers one planet that has a surface of 300 degrees Fahrenheit but the rocks on the surface are special and it cools the caves and below the surface to 65 degrees...the rocks also drips water.

This water fills cavities in the caves creating underground lakes of fresh water...

 

[Castle-Yankee54]

If the magic number is 9 then perhaps some of those were the oldest visitors to our planet before we started splitting the atom...

This water fills cavities in the caves creating underground lakes of fresh water...

Yes if the water table intersects the caverns there would be underground lakes.

I'm sure there are far more than nine solar systems that could spot this system if there is even life there. That is assuming they think atomic weapons are impressive.

 

[AlienView]

Here goes - I'll quote the beginning of this article and post a link to the rest of it - If you read the whole thing and find it interesting let us know and I will read the rest of it - One thing that immediately caught my attention was a reference to
William 'Bill' Cooper a very famous alien/government conspiracy buff whose book "Behold a Pale Horse" is considered
a classic. Bill Cooper was killed in a shoot-out with local police who came on to his property supposedly to serve an arrest warrant?

"The Council of Nine - A Perspective on "Briefings from Deep Space""

"
The Council of Nine describes themselves, through their two-decades channeller Phyllis Schlemmer, as "a circle of universal beings living outside time and space."


In the 1993 compendium of their dialogues with various of their human questioners, among them Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry and many, many others including heads of state and international business and philosophical personalities... this group of "off-planet intelligence complexes" tells their story, which if one is to give credence to this process and its information, may be to some degree, "our" story also. If so...


It doesn't matter what we folks at our "retail" level believe about this group and their information. What matters is what people with access to power, political machinery and science may believe about what is being said... and what they may seek to do about it in terms of "planetary deliverance from human ignorance," and what voice we may have if we have one at all.


Evidence is strong that this group underpins very much in the realms where "mind-influencing" or "subliminal negotiations" are studied and practiced (in areas of foreign relations and for arms control & disarmament, and in the fields of intelligence gathering & analysis); and for understanding deeper aspects of "UFO" and "E.T." experiencing and assessment. We are certain it plays a major role in economics, as planet-level cartels and industrialists chart Earth's future, at least as they discern it.


Sound a bit arrogant? That's what Time Magazine's former science editor Leon Jaroff feared when, in the mid 1970s, he squashed his magazine's coverage of the Stanford Research Institute's (SRI's) work with various psychics, one of whom was Uri Geller. Jaroff could not "allow" for any of it to be real.


Jim Schnabel mentions this briefly in his 1997 book, "Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America's Psychic Spies" in a footnote (p. 197), and more about the episode with Time (a lot like what happened with the magazine and Dr. John Mack in its April 25, 1994 issue, in "The Man From Outer Space").



While Schnabel's book has essentially "disappeared," to be replaced by CIA disinformation product like David Morehouse's "Psychic Warriors" and the ongoing prattlings of former "Grillflame" and "PSI-Tech" participant, Maj. Ed Dames, (USA-Ret.), Jim wrote a reasonable and generally accurate "alternate history" of what non-governmental allies of CIA, DIA and others who played around with "these intelligences" (and perhaps got "taken for a ride" in more ways than we might think) rather we didn't know.


Although publicly targeted by "professional skeptics" and a cadre of debunkers, the core of whom know very well that "it" is real ....................

See whole article here:
The Council of Nine - A Perspective on "Briefings from Deep Space"

 

[AlienView]

I read the rest of that article - A must read for all UFO buffs who want to see the psychic influence in some, if not all,
of ufology.

I don't know if this has anything to do with the Nine alien Civilizations Nivek mentioned in the original post.
Maybe it does or maybe the number nine is just an example synchronicity?

 

[dr wu]

The idea of 'The Nine' is difficult to trace to only one source but it is an old idea found in one or more religious myths....
the most well known being from Hindu/Sanskrit sources. But Uri Geller and Andrija Puharich rekindled it in the early 70's for ufo themes when they claimed contact from aliens orbiting earth that they called Hoova ..who were connected to The Nine according to psychic messages they received. An in depth look into them will mention this belief.
a wiki piece on the Hindu idea The Nine Unknown - Wikipedia

 

[ImmortalLegend527]

Diagram of a planet transiting in front of its star. Left: The lower black curve shows the brightness of the star noticeably dimming during transit when the planet is blocking some of its light. Right: Observer on green exoplanet is in the transit zone and can see transits of the Earth. (Credit: R. Wells)

Image showing where transits of our Solar System planets can be observed; blue line represents Earth. (Credit: 2MASS / A. Mellinger / R. Wells)



Earth May Be Under Surveillance by Nine Alien Civilizations

Abstract
"The detection of thousands of extrasolar planets by the transit method naturally raises the question of whether potential extrasolar observers could detect the transits of the Solar System planets. We present a comprehensive analysis of the regions in the sky from where transit events of the Solar System planets can be detected. We specify how many different Solar System planets can be observed from any given point in the sky, and find the maximum number to be three.

We report the probabilities of a randomly positioned external observer to be able to observe single and multiple Solar System planet transits; specifically, we find a probability of 2.518% to be able to observe at least one transiting planet, 0.229% for at least two transiting planets, and 0.027% for three transiting planets.

We identify 68 known exoplanets that have a favourable geometric perspective to allow transit detections in the Solar System and we show how the ongoing K2 mission will extend this list. We use occurrence rates of exoplanets to estimate that there are 3.2 ± 1.2 and 6.6 temperate Earth-sized planets orbiting GK and M dwarf stars brighter than V = 13 and V = 16 respectively, that are located in the Earth’s transit zone."

Transit Visibility Zones of the Solar System Planets | Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society | Oxford Academic

If the magic number is 9 then perhaps some of those were the oldest visitors to our planet before we started splitting the atom...

I had a homework assignment a couple of days ago, to find 13 half animals half-humans that supposedly came from another planet but it was 13 I was supposed to find..i wonder why 9 and not 13"?