Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation

Discussion in 'Alien-UFOs in the Media' started by nivek, Apr 6, 2019.

  1. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    they gave a negative view of doty wich is a good thing and a very unexpected surprise
     
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  2. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    Here's episode six, the last episode...

     
  3. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    So I haven't watched this episode yet but I've heard they are really pushing the threat narrative a lot more in this one...

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  4. Spaceman spiff

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    Im having mixed feelings of the show. On one hand some episodes were decent enough and we did get something new at least regarding some of the Nimitz and east coast sightings. On the other hand it felt like half of the episodes were filler fluff, with some random cases like the Mexican island, Rendlesham and that italian one brought in and not really explored that much deeper.

    On a whole tough like i thought, it didnt bring the materials up at all and very little new info, and the old questions remain. But it probably brought some new people some intrest in UFOs and maybe hammer down the fact that we need to investigate these things seriously. Its nice to see congress briefings happening too. But they should really polish this show for season 2 if they wanna go further. Bring some evidence into the fray, not just interviews.

    Because people can talk and speculate about these strange encounters until the cows come home, but ultimately it has to be good evidence that sets the record straight.
     
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  5. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    The last episode seems to imply aliens started the Sicily fires but wasn't it proven that the fires were started by two guys who were arrested and convicted using video as evidence?...

    @1963 Do you know about this case?...

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  6. 1963

    1963 Honorable

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    Hi Nivek, this programme is new to me [either passed me by because I haven't been watching much tv lately or has not reached my networks yet] but I just watched the episode that you posted above. And have to say that I cannot disagree with spiff's assessment of the show. ie. the show's intentions of being a serious look into the UFO/ET situation [ETH] with fresh eyes is absolutely the correct direction for any new potentially informative programme of this kind … but on the other hand in this episode at least, there was nothing new at all. No in-depth scrutiny of the case, no credential check of the 'X-File type gathering of experts' in the room. [the old Italian guy talking about striking at the UFO's with depleted uranium when they come out of stealth mode made me think that he had just watched a Enterprise v's Klingon battlecruiser fight on tv] Just talk, the same old rhetoric of "believe me i'm in the know, and i'll tell you only part of what I know because i'm sworn to secrecy!" … Well that's the impression that Elizondo has given me since he came on the scene anyway, … and so to say that I am not all that impressed by the guy is just about right for me mate.
    ...as to the Canneto di Caronia case and it's ongoing mystery, yes of course i'm familiar, there's been a number of threads about it on various sites over the years. And of course I've looked at the plethora of links that pose such theories as UFO , HAARP , plate tectonics, hoax etc, [even as weird as it all being down to the fact that that old black magic practitioner Aleister Crowley had his Temple of Thelema next door to the village in the 1930s. and the ruin is still there.] and as usual am still no wiser ! All that I know is that just like in the Colares case from 1977 something has [and is] obviously been happening in the area that seems to involve some kind of directed heat-wave , and though not all, there is a significant number of strange happenings that coincide with UFO appearances which as you know, makes the whole saga very compelling to someone like me. :Tongue: … I do find the 'helicopter incident' particularly interesting, as apparently tests concluded that there was no organic matter traceable , which rules out the 'hit a bird theory' [as though a bird could cause that damage anyway.. but it serves to end one silly line of debunking] and the fact that there are accompanying photographic evidence is a boon. Even if as usual, the pictures are too obscure to be of any real value... at least it's a bit of corroboration.
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    So yes, whilst I find the programme disappointedly average, the events in Canneto di Caronia are far from being average, they are as fascinating as they are puzzling.
    Here's an excellent old thread on the subject made by Internos over on ATS [if it's allowed] with all the info that anyone could compile on the case....
    UFOs and the Mystery of Canneto di Caronia, page 1

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  7. Spaceman spiff

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    Yes there seems to be a consensus that the simpler answer is that two guys started these fires. Tough there does remain some mystery over the earlier fires. I feel like this is overhyped case.

    I dont know why they even brought this particular case up there in the show, i mean there has to be better cases from Europe to investigate. Is it just to pump up their "threat" narrative?
     
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  8. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Unapologetic Rationalist & Grand Regent of Taraka

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    Yeah I think they're amping the threat narrative because it's the most effective way to force people in our government to take the subject seriously, given that military/defense issues take greater priority in our warmongering political system than any other type of issue. By hitting Congress with the AAV topic from the POV of defense and national security, they force them to either take the subject seriously, or to look unpatriotic if not outright negligent.

    It's not an optimal approach imo, but it's the quickest way to get the idiots to stop giggling about radically advanced technology routinely violating our most sensitive airspace for reasons unknown.
     
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  9. Double Nought Spy

    Double Nought Spy Easily Amused

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    Yup.

    Anyone who has taken a serious--and intellectually honest--look at the UFO phenomenon knows the military is spewing bullshit about it. The job of the military, as its leaders understand it, is to detect, evaluate, prepare for, and respond to anything that can be perceived as a threat. Unknown objects coming and going in and out of our airspace at will is certainly within that realm, and the military certainly would be negligent if they were not investigating. I've wondered over the years why no outside organization was using that lever. It should be quite effective.
     
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  10. pigfarmer

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    Still hacking my way through this series. It’s entertainment, not disclosure. I feel like the king is naked and nobody sees it
     
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  11. nivek

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    My concerns recently with Elizondo and the TTSA group are now two things since they started lately dialing up this threat narrative and accompanying that they and many more people are using the terminology "the phenomenon" in reference to ufos...The latter lends me to think they are going to pull a cosmic trickster out of their hat, (if there's something in their hat lol) or going to path of demon aliens...Don't get me wrong, I have my reservations on the intent of these alien visitors, some could be a threat, some could be harmless or indifferent to what we think...Anyway I wasn't very impressed with their show, the last episode bringing up that case in Italy of ufos starting those fires was interesting, there are a few sites who call it completely debunked, case closed, but I'm not so sure the more details I read concerning that incident...I thought you might have some information on it, thanks for the link to that thread, I'll read it over thoroughly...You're right about this show Unidentified, nothing really new was presented overall, I expected a great reveal of some sort from TTSA going by all their hype the last few months, but...

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  12. Spaceman spiff

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    I find it frustrating that they claim or at least hint that they have seen all this weird and compelling stuff, but of course we cant see it because of security reasons or whatever.

    Those videos that they have brought for instance dont show much, and theres still only the three of them. I would like to see some expert/s really dissect those videos, not just a 2 minute summary on a tv show with no additional data. Mick West has put his case out there, now we need another look by an expert familiar with the flir. Of course these short viedos without any context will only show so much, would love to see the originals and the additional data and how they came to these conclusions they say.

    Witness testimony from the pilots and radar operators is nice but as weve seen in 70 years of ufology, no matter how much you have of that, it really doesnt get you anywhere alone.

    They need to put something more to the table, if they want to progress. If they have it, that is.
     
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  13. Spaceman spiff

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    Also the longer they hold out on the "good stuff", the more suspicious people will come about this.
     
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  14. pigfarmer

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    This could have been 3 well done episodes. Needed editing. If there's a Season 2 then we have our answer about the intent behind all this.

    A career intelligence officer is saying 'trust me I'm an insider' and we do .... because why? Doty is a version of the same thing but comes off as a wormy little dude we don't trust. Unless you actually believe that Serpo nonsense he concocted.

    This adventure is well packaged but there are a few credibility gaps that they don't seem worried about addressing.

    What about those metamaterials?
     
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  15. nivek

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    Yes, what about those meta-materials we heard so much about?...

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  16. 1963

    1963 Honorable

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    Hi Nivek, No there's nothing much that I can add to what is already known about the Canneto di Caronia case, except opinion of course. And mine is [if anyone was interested lol] that I never believed that any Aliens were deliberately attacking the village, or was targeting electrical appliances for fun.
    But despite my serious doubts in this part of saga, I do believe that there have been large swathes of the mystery just painted over in order to proclaim that the case is solved. [not lest the helicopter incident!] … for instance, are we to believe that every aspect of the story including the great amount of UFO sightings are explained by that guy "Giuseppe Pezzino" being arrested for causing the fires? … Setter of Sicily mystery fires arrested - English
    … he was only 16 when they started, but his father is said to be also under suspicion … but even if they are some kind of 'practical jokers' could they really have been so ubiquitous as to be responsible for so many anomalous outbreaks [over 300] without being caught over a ten year period? I'm not so sure that it's as cut and dried as people would have us believe. To my mind there is still something to investigate as regards to the mysterious happenings in the village. [Could it be an elaborate tourist-encouraging-hoax perpetrated by a group effort of villagers? … the mayor himself seems keen to ramp up the mystery , even so much as claiming to have seen fires spontaneously start with his own eyes?] But as I say, I do not personally link those happenings to the UFO sightings and specially to the helicopter incident which as far as I know has never been explained by anyone investigating/debunking the whole story. Sheaffer has relied on his old trick of trashing the witness [photographer] Antonino Spinnato by saying that because 'Spinnato' claims to have seen other UFO's over Sicily before , he is what Sheaffer calls "A Repeater" and therefore unreliable! … and of course he concludes that without any analytic proof , the other object in the helicopter photograph was in fact coincidentally "A Bug". …. But never addresses the mystery of what caused the damage to the helicopter blades [that were analysed and proven to be deplete of any trace of organic matter]

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  17. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    and this is the elephant in the room everyone forgot about, din't @Thomas R. Morrison tell us that they were going to show the results in this show?
    as for the italian incidents, i think its exaggerated, there seems to have been some interesting fire polteirgeist cases there but the hoaxers later came and ruined everthing
    not to mention the UFO in the photo is a BLURFO, AKA bug or bird
    the blade damages could be anything, including a bird that came fast enough that it din't spill guts
     

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