Unofficial Aviation Buff Thread

Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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Lots or history falls through cracks of mass media brainwashing. Many aviation buffs don't know that this little side-kick of a plane influenced creation of Mig-29 and complete about turn of Soviet fighter plane design philosophy. After US withdrew from Vietnam quite a few of F-5 Freedom Fighters were left behind that CCCP was able to take one back home for study.

Up to that time CCCP''s fighter planes were designed by scientists as opposed to pilots, so it was all about speed and climb rate, nothing for agility. So when Soviets run first dogfights F-5 vs Migs they had at that time they were very surprised to find out that F-5 defeated all their best fighters. And that was solely because agility and low speed performance. This info percolated very quickly through all the military hierarchy and these lessons were included into design of Mig-29. That's why, for example, Mig-21 and Mig-23 look so different to Mig-29.

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Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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A very sad picture, but what is even stranger is that in all of my 40+ years of aviation interest I've never seen it. Stands as a proof how sanitised media is:

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pigfarmer

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B-25s configured for anti-shipping were always my hands down favorites.
Excellent original footage in this one


Bristol Beaufighters actually have longer legs, a higher ceiling and heavier punch.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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pigfarmer said:
B-25s configured for anti-shipping were always my hands down favorites.
Excellent original footage in this one


Bristol Beaufighters actually have longer legs, a higher ceiling and heavier punch.
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That B-25 was force to contend with.

Practically both British and German tried to make starfing bombr / fighter. Mosquito was made of wood so it can't fire cannon without falling appart. Germans tried fitting aircraft around the cannon but plane ended up beeing too have and hard to fly.
 
pigfarmer

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Dejan Corovic said:
That B-25 was force to contend with.

Practically both British and German tried to make starfing bombr / fighter. Mosquito was made of wood so it can't fire cannon without falling appart. Germans tried fitting aircraft around the cannon but plane ended up beeing too have and hard to fly.
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Hans-Ulrich Rudel mentiones that in his book.
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THAT guy is a serous, unabashed Nazi but has one hell of a story to tell, including that cannon you mentioned.

The idea of those B-25s roaring in at mast height to skip bomb or just generally blow the bejeezus out of whatever was n front of it just sets my pulse racing
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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pigfarmer said:
Hans-Ulrich Rudel mentiones that in his book.
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THAT guy is a serous, unabashed Nazi but has one hell of a story to tell, including that cannon you mentioned.

The idea of those B-25s roaring in at mast height to skip bomb or just generally blow the bejeezus out of whatever was n front of it just sets my pulse racing
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yeah, I thought only British had skip bombs, for destroying dams. Its new to me that B-25 had one as well. That would indeed be very effective on ships.
 
pigfarmer

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Dejan Corovic said:
yeah, I thought only British had skip bombs, for destroying dams. Its new to me that B-25 had one as well. That would indeed be very effective on ships.
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They weren't 'block busters' but they opened up their fair share of shipping. I can't imagine which end of the attack would be more terrifying - making it or taking it.

Incidentally, Rudel had to sharpshoot with that cannon - hit the engine specifically. Fortunately they only had one of him.
 
AD1184

AD1184

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I have never heard of a Mosquito's structure being compromised by its own canon before, much less a canon-carrying variant being implausible for this reason. There were many variants of Mosquito, many of them with canon. The most numerously manufactured variant, the FB VI, had four 20mm Hispano canon in addition to four Browning .303s.

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The Mk XVIII, which saw more limited production had a six-pounder gun (57mm calibre) slung under the nose for anti-shipping missions, and so far as I am aware was a successful, combat-proven design. There were even a few air-to-air victories from this gun.

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Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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AD1184 said:
I have never heard of a Mosquito's structure being compromized by its own canon before, much less a canon-carrying variant being implausible for this reason. There were many variants of Mosquito, many of them with canon. The most numerously manufactured variant, the FB VI, had four 20mm Hispano canon in addition to four Browning .303s.

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The Mk XVIII, which saw more limited production had a six-pounder gun (57mm calibre) slung under the nose for anti-shipping missions, and so far as I am aware was a successful, combat-proven design. There were even a few air-to-air victories from this gun.

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OK, I stand corrected. Thanks for the nice pics.

Problem with Mosquito's six-pounder was that rate of fire was so slow that there was a big gap between individual shells that made it ineffective in broadside attacks on ships. As well recoil was so big that it would change point of aim etc. Sure, here and there there is going to be some succesfull anegdotes, but overall it didn't fit the purpose and ( as I recall ) for that reason it wasn't widely adopted.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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So US had all the fastest planes, Germans were second, and Brits lagged quite far. Strange that Spitfire was only marginally faster than Huricane.

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pigfarmer

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It was that RR Merlin and two stage supercharger that really made that Mustang sing and I know there was a technology transfer with early jet engines. I'd also read somewhere that the next B-52 upgrade may be powered by pairs commercial RR passenger jet engines.

I was just talking with someone yesterday about their Buick Grand National who got rankled because I mentioned the iconic turbo was a product of McLaren engineering not necessarily Detroit. Sorry to shine a reality flashlight on your woobie.

Seems like quite a lot of collaboration in these sorts of things going way back. I don't know if that's necessarily true of German and Japanese engineering but IDK, just making hay.
 
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