US Navy ship struck Iranian mine in 1988 - US retaliates

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Well, that's the story. Last Podcast on the Left did a good job on that one. My copy of The Philadelphia Experiment is (really) sitting right next to me on top of Night Siege (not being snarky, it really is ....)
but thats exactly what happened, after that some other strange characters made a annotated version of jessup's book, i am talking of course about the legendary VARO edition
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
since when that is a thing?
i always thought all mines were contact explosive ones
The Mk60 Captor mine (Encapulated Torpedo) mine is so old it's not used anymore by the US Navy. There are a bajillion different types of mines laid by ships, submarines or aircraft (well not really a bajillion but a lot).

Mines of the United States of America - NavWeaps

And here's a little info on the one I mentioned;

Mark 60

CAPTOR (encapsulated torpedo mine). Uses Mark 46 Mod 4 torpedo with aluminum case. Can be launched by aircraft, surface ships or submarines. Uses Reliable Acoustic Path (RAP) sound propagation method to detect target ships and designed to be used in deep water. First deployed in 1979 and still active as of 2001.

Dimensions:

Aircraft / Ship laid: 21 x 145 inches (53 x 368 cm) (includes length of parachute).

Submarine laid: 21 inches x 132 inches (53 x 335 cm).

Weight: Air / Ship laid: 2,370 lbs. (1,077 kg); Submarine laid: 2,056 lbs. (935 kg).


Mark 60 CAPTOR Mine with Mark 46 Torpedo. Photograph courtesy of Goodyear Corporation.

Mark 60 CAPTOR Mine being readied for loading onto a B-52G in November 1989. U.S.A.F. Photograph No. DF-ST-90-11649.


 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
The Mk60 Captor mine (Encapulated Torpedo) mine is so old it's not used anymore by the US Navy. There are a bajillion different types of mines laid by ships, submarines or aircraft (well not really a bajillion but a lot).

Mines of the United States of America - NavWeaps

And here's a little info on the one I mentioned;

Mark 60

CAPTOR (encapsulated torpedo mine). Uses Mark 46 Mod 4 torpedo with aluminum case. Can be launched by aircraft, surface ships or submarines. Uses Reliable Acoustic Path (RAP) sound propagation method to detect target ships and designed to be used in deep water. First deployed in 1979 and still active as of 2001.

Dimensions:

Aircraft / Ship laid: 21 x 145 inches (53 x 368 cm) (includes length of parachute).

Submarine laid: 21 inches x 132 inches (53 x 335 cm).

Weight: Air / Ship laid: 2,370 lbs. (1,077 kg); Submarine laid: 2,056 lbs. (935 kg).


Mark 60 CAPTOR Mine with Mark 46 Torpedo. Photograph courtesy of Goodyear Corporation.

Mark 60 CAPTOR Mine being readied for loading onto a B-52G in November 1989. U.S.A.F. Photograph No. DF-ST-90-11649.

quite interesting, thanks!
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
the original wasn't hit by torpedoes.

The original Roberts deliberately put itself somewhere a DE shouldn't be and was shredded by naval gunfire. Close range knife fights similar to that are why I find the early Solomons campaign so interesting. Dramatic as hell and real.

Like our older, more hip cousins usually do the Brits came up with degaussing. Plus they had the need for it a bit earlier than we did. I remember having a Radio Shack wand I used to degauss the 8-track tape heads for my fancy high tech stereo when I was a kid - to ensure that all the high fidelity it had stayed that way.

Jessup probably saw a ship, maybe even the Eldridge being degaussed and that's what gave him the idea for The Philadelphia Experiment. And a good one too - one of my favorites from back when. Now that I blew the dust off it it'll get another read through. As a little kid stories like that plus Argosy magazine and Weird War had me all fired up. Last Podcast on the Left #268 had me LMAO over it all and regardless of whether you believe it really happened or not that podcast was entertaining.
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
The original Roberts deliberately put itself somewhere a DE shouldn't be and was shredded by naval gunfire. Close range knife fights similar to that are why I find the early Solomons campaign so interesting. Dramatic as hell and real.

Like our older, more hip cousins usually do the Brits came up with degaussing. Plus they had the need for it a bit earlier than we did. I remember having a Radio Shack wand I used to degauss the 8-track tape heads for my fancy high tech stereo when I was a kid - to ensure that all the high fidelity it had stayed that way.

Jessup probably saw a ship, maybe even the Eldridge being degaussed and that's what gave him the idea for The Philadelphia Experiment. And a good one too - one of my favorites from back when. Now that I blew the dust off it it'll get another read through. As a little kid stories like that plus Argosy magazine and Weird War had me all fired up. Last Podcast on the Left #268 had me LMAO over it all and regardless of whether you believe it really happened or not that podcast was entertaining.
I remember one of the early days in bootcamp we were scrambling around doing different tasks indoors and I actually had the nerve to ask the Company Commander (in the Navy we don't have drill sergeants, but company commanders) what he knew about the Philadelphia experiment. I think he just shot me a glance that made me feel stupid & regret asking and I kept doing whatever task I was working on.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
The original Roberts deliberately put itself somewhere a DE shouldn't be and was shredded by naval gunfire. Close range knife fights similar to that are why I find the early Solomons campaign so interesting. Dramatic as hell and real.

Yes the first Roberts got in so close the Chokai couldn't depress her guns......but there were other ships and remember 3 of the hits that took her out were from the battleship Kongo.

I find the firefight on the Teneru River where Mitchell Paige earned his CMOH to be amazing.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
find the firefight on the Teneru River where Mitchell Paige earned his CMOH to be amazing

Yes, the aggressive charge of the Ichiki Detachment. nine hundred veteran hard cases with gleaming bayonets and a history of success in China arrogantly charging across Alligator Creek .... into fifteen thousand frightened and very heavily armed Marines.

Oops
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
BTW does anyone know how Berlitz & Moore came up with the idea for The Philadelphia Experiment? Were they in direct contact with Jessup?

I guess Google knows
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Jessup probably saw a ship, maybe even the Eldridge being degaussed and that's what gave him the idea for The Philadelphia Experiment. And a good one too - one of my favorites from back when. Now that I blew the dust off it it'll get another read through. As a little kid stories like that plus Argosy magazine and Weird War had me all fired up. Last Podcast on the Left #268 had me LMAO over it all and regardless of whether you believe it really happened or not that podcast was entertaining.
actually he din't hoax the story, it was the mysterious carlos allende guy that sent it to him, that guy probally wasn't even real, just another projection of the cosmic trickster, like the MIBs
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
BTW does anyone know how Berlitz & Moore came up with the idea for The Philadelphia Experiment? Were they in direct contact with Jessup?

I guess Google knows
they mixed what carlos allende sent morris with government disinformation (something william moore was an expert at doing)
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
I never saw this until today. It's only 9 minutes or so and they pretty much back up what I was saying about women in the Navy. They get a ton of extra chances in flight school that you or I would not get. Where we would flunk out, they get pushed through so that on paper - it looks like they are doing great and that there is another female fighter pilot. The one guy knew that one of them in the video would be in a mishap & he was right. The first female to ever get carrier qualified crashed & died in her F-14 without even ejecting trying to land on the USS Abraham Lincoln. But like Mike Wallace says, image & political correctness takes priority over the best & brightest.

 
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