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[USI Calgary]

Now we can look at the second diagram



This diagram shows how knowing the amount of gravitational lensing, a direct path
to the real star location can be plotted through perfectly symmetrical space.
Therefore because it's possible to plot a straight line through perfectly,
symmetrical space, space itself cannot be curved, and the
warped grid only represents possible trajectories
for free floating objects near a massive
object due to gravitation.
​

Unless the arguments here and in my preceding post can be sufficiently nullified by relevant counterpoint that addresses the specific points made, there appears to be no reason to believe space itself is curved in any way shape or form. This means that such things as warp drives may be based on a faulty premise and are impossible to build in the way they're being thought of.

Or even if some sort of drive is developed that works according to the math, that it isn't really working by "warping space", but by some other unknown means that the math just happens to work with. That would be fine too. Whatever the case, I think we need to remember that math is an abstraction of reality, not reality itself. If we can actually go there in a straight line, that's reality. And there's no reason to think it wouldn't be possible if the conditions were right.

 

[The shadow]

I strongly suggest that anyone with strong opinion or evidence concerning Gene Steinburg direct him to the proper topic. and to present to Randal evidence via PM.
I know with many Gene Steinburg is a sore subject. and brings out strong emotions.
But I for one am glad Randal is here.
lets,welcome him and not be overbearing when it comes to the subject of Gene Steinburg.

 

[USI Calgary]

I strongly suggest that anyone with strong opinion or evidence concerning Gene Steinburg direct him to the proper topic. and to present to Randal evidence via PM.
I know with many Gene Steinburg is a sore subject. and brings out strong emotions.
But I for one am glad Randal is here.
lets,welcome him and not be overbearing when it comes to the subject of Gene Steinburg.

Good suggestion. Thanks.

 

[Standingstones]

I strongly suggest that anyone with strong opinion or evidence concerning Gene Steinburg direct him to the proper topic. and to present to Randal evidence via PM.
I know with many Gene Steinburg is a sore subject. and brings out strong emotions.
But I for one am glad Randal is here.
lets,welcome him and not be overbearing when it comes to the subject of Gene Steinburg.

I’m sorry but Gene Steinberg has left a trail of screwing people over for the past dozen years. All anyone needs to do is type in the words ‘Gene Steinberg and money’ and you will get plenty of prospective on Mr. Steinberg.

I seem to recall that I sent you a personal message at the Paracast when you were still there warning you about how Steinberg operated. The roof finally caved in before you caught on and left. I don’t believe you are the person to be instructing others about Steinberg.

I am a person who contacted both Biedny and O’Brien to get the truth about Steinberg. It wasn’t a pretty picture I can tell you. It is no surprise there are many people P.O.d about how they were treated and lied to.

 

[TKlaten]

Hi to everyone. I decided to join the fun and hope to be able to contribute in a positive way to the forum .

Hi, better here than paracon!

 

[UAPwatchdog]

Thanks for the words of caution. I've had some dealings with Gene in the past ( bought some advertising for USI ) and he never stiffed me. In fact he's been generous, and I don't begrudge anyone wanting to monetize their website. It all depends on how it's done.

I got banned once on the Paracast Forums and didn't consider it fair, but it's his site and the absence did me good anyway. I learned a lot by participating there on how to better navigate forum etiquette. I've also communicated with both of Gene's former co-hosts in an effort to establish the specifics of their dissatisfaction.

From what I've been able to gather, everyone involved could have made better decisions and should take their own fair share of responsibility for how things turned out. Nobody is perfect and so far, from what I can tell, I haven't uncovered anything that isn't forgivable or that can't be worked around so as to avoid the same mistakes others have made.

Personally, I think a whole thread dedicated to trashing Gene is a bit much. But if there is anything more serious that should be brought to my attention that I don't know about. I'd also appreciate knowing, and if anyone really wants my perspective on specific issues they're welcome to ask. I don't BS anyone around and always try to be fair minded.

If you want to associate with him, its a free country, an that's your prerogative. I would just say, there seems to be dozens and dozens of paranormal podcasts out there these days, I'm sure you could find your way on many of them.

It's just stuff like this constantly:

That rubs people the wrong way, so I'm sure you can understand their perspective.

Especially today, I feel like this could be a great year for information to come out in a field thanks to the work of people like Leslie Kean, Jeremy Corbell, and George Knapp. Maybe it's a small pond to expose a grifter for being less than honest in the UFO field, but it would be nice if there were more honesty and transparency from the people associated with this field.

 

[Black Angus]

My perspective at the moment is very different than most of the posts there and I'd rather not get mired down all of that. However if there is anything more serious that you think I should know about I'd appreciate you sharing as I may be getting more involved there too, and don't want any unpleasant surprises.

As above.

You absolutely need to get up to speed on that matter.

You know that for a long time i was a staunch defender of Genes right to ask for help.
It wasnt until i read blogs like this

The UFO Trail: Gene Steinberg Personal 'Emergency' Cash Solicitations Span Years, Hundreds of Emails

The UFO Trail: Updates on Paracast Host Gene Steinberg 'Emergency' Cash Solicitations

That the sheer scope of what hes done became apparent.

This isnt some poor schmuck down on his luck asking for help, its a professional begger and con man
Playing on the good nature of people to fleece them of cash.

He has joined the ranks of billy Meir and Stan Romaneck and other fraudsters in this genre , playing on the gullible and using BS to con ppl out of money.

Its your choice, but if you are seen enabling and helping his fraud...............................

 

[USI Calgary]

If you want to associate with him, its a free country, an that's your prerogative. I would just say, there seems to be dozens and dozens of paranormal podcasts out there these days, I'm sure you could find your way on many of them.

It's just stuff like this constantly:

That rubs people the wrong way, so I'm sure you can understand their perspective.

Especially today, I feel like this could be a great year for information to come out in a field thanks to the work of people like Leslie Kean, Jeremy Corbell, and George Knapp. Maybe it's a small pond to expose a grifter for being less than honest in the UFO field, but it would be nice if there were more honesty and transparency from the people associated with this field.

I'm not here to either attack or defend Gene. We have our differences of opinion, but we work through them. FWIW I see your point and I've talked with Gene a couple of times about how things can be perceived. I personally don't have a problem with people wanting to monetize a site or even ask for donations. It's all in the way it's done.

 

[nivek]

This isnt some poor schmuck down on his luck asking for help, its a professional begger and con man
Playing on the good nature of people to fleece them of cash.

He has joined the ranks of billy Meir and Stan Romaneck and other fraudsters in this genre , playing on the gullible and using BS to con ppl out of money.

Bullseye...!

...

 

[Thomas R. Morrison]

Now we can look at the second diagram
​

Oh ffs, this again. We had this frustrating and pointless debate over at The Paracast forums here:
The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis : Fact and Fallacy

And...you absolutely refuse to read any of the evidence that I've repeatedly provided to you which proves that all of this idle speculation is nonsense, specifically:

“The Confrontation between General Relativity and Experiment,” Clifford M. Will, 2014
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.7377.pdf

All non-metric theories of gravitation have been ruled out. Spacetime curves, and that curvature produces the phenomenon of gravitation. The fact that you can draw a straight line between two points on an illustration is totally meaningless: I could provide you with a diagram of "the flat Earth" for example, but that doesn't make it true.

If gravitation were a force, as it is in Newtonian physics, the deflection of starlight would only be 1/2 of the observed value. Euclidean spacetime also can't describe time dilation. Or gravitational waves, which have recently been verified. Or gravitomagnetism, which has been verified for 20 years now.

Look - I don't have a problem with debating general relativity (GR) with people who actually make the effort to understand it and look at the evidence behind it. But you haven't done any of that work, so you have no idea how it works or why the physics community was dragged kicking and screaming to actually get behind it - all of this kind of stuff you're talking about here was discredited a century ago.

Spacetime itself is a tensor field. The presence of mass-energy distorts that field, which yields time dilation and the Lense-Thirring effect, and gravitational waves and all the rest of it. GR describes all known gravitational phenomena to extremely high precision. If there's some way that this model of gravitation could be some kind of illusion, then nobody in the history of theoretical physics has ever been able to explain how these effects can be described in the observed manner without spacetime actually being curved.

But it's pointless to debate a subject with somebody who refuses to learn anything about the subject of the discussion. No field in nature can be observed directly - a field can only be observed through its interactions with matter or energy: that's the nature of a field. But whereas electrical fields and magnetic fields can be expressed as forces acting between two bodies of matter (without resorting to the field model itself), gravitational phenomena can't: without an actual curved spacetime, the observations can't be explained with any mathematical accuracy.

Next I suppose you'll start promoting the banal conspiracy theories alleging that the AATIP story is some elaborate and nonsensical conspiracy to get people to believe in UFOs, and calling Luis Elizondo by the name "Zondo" because you think that it's a clever form of take-down, as you've done over at The Paracast forums, joining the likes of Holly_Tomfortas and and Realm in trying to discredit the most significant development in ufology in many decades via baseless suspicions and unbridled paranoia.

I wish I could be happy about you finding us here. But frankly I feel like we've been infiltrated by The Paracast - a site and a podcast that I was glad to leave far behind me, to partake in the far more productive and friendly discussions that we enjoy here.

 

[UAPwatchdog]

I'm not here to either attack or defend Gene. We have our differences of opinion, but we work through them. FWIW I see your point and I've talked with Gene a couple of times about how things can be perceived. I personally don't have a problem with people wanting to monetize a site or even ask for donations. It's all in the way it's done.

A website? Yeah, I absolutely agree. For the website.

For example, if you visit arstechnica.com - a tech site I use frequently - they'll ask to donate to support the SITE.

You don't have writers for the site complaining being evicted twice in three months saying they don't have the money, through a dozen emails a week to subscribers of the site newsletters. And then having no problem funding an ongoing hotel stay, moving, and furniture storage after being evicted twice because they "didn't have the money."

I mean, it's the fundraising equivalent of this:

To believe it, you have to believe bullshit. That's basically all there is to it.

But hey, if you don't have problem with it, more power to you. Maybe you could be the one after all these years to get him to stop acting like an embarrassment and change his life, and stop trying to trick people out of money because he refuses to go get a job like everyone else in the world to support his untenable lifestyle.

 

[Black Angus]

I wish I could be happy about you finding us here. But frankly I feel like we've been infiltrated by The Paracast - a site and a podcast that I was glad to leave far behind me, to enjoy the far more productive and friendly discussions that we enjoy here.

I wouldnt worry, Gene dangled a carrot and he ran back there

 

[USI Calgary]

As above. You absolutely need to get up to speed on that matter.
You know that for a long time i was a staunch defender of Genes right to ask for help. It wasnt until i read blogs like this

The UFO Trail: Gene Steinberg Personal 'Emergency' Cash Solicitations Span Years, Hundreds of Emails
The UFO Trail: Updates on Paracast Host Gene Steinberg 'Emergency' Cash Solicitations

That the sheer scope of what hes done became apparent. This isnt some poor schmuck down on his luck asking for help, its a professional begger and con man Playing on the good nature of people to fleece them of cash.

He has joined the ranks of billy Meir and Stan Romaneck and other fraudsters in this genre , playing on the gullible and using BS to con ppl out of money.

In my experience Gene has just gone about monetization and asking for donations in a way that has led to these sorts of attitudes. I've tried to talk to him about it in the past and we've recently touched on it as well. He seemed to get my point, so there's hope for a shift toward another way of doing things.

Its your choice, but if you are seen enabling and helping his fraud...............................

It hasn't been my experience that Gene is a fraud. Instead of simply sending him money, I've purchased advertising from him instead. It was handled professionally and he even gave me extended time. Plus he's given me free access to the Paracast Plus for my volunteer time. So far as I know there's no law against simply asking people to send money to help them out.

I'm not saying it would be my first choice as a marketing strategy, but a donation button is essentially the same thing. Don't forget that I've seen all the same emails you're talking about. I just have a different perspective. On the other hand, if you find an actual criminal conviction for him someplace, that would be another story.

In the meantime it's probably better to lighten up about it all. Your last line there comes across rather dark. I'm sure we can discuss something more interesting, and if I find I've actually walked into the den of the devil who has used his mystical powers to deceive naïve innocent little me, I'll be sure to let you know you were right.

 

[Black Angus]

In my experience Gene has just gone about monetization and asking for donations in a way that has led to these sorts of attitudes. I've tried to talk to him about it in the past and we've recently touched on it as well. He seemed to get my point, so there's hope for a shift toward another way of doing things.


It hasn't been my experience that Gene is a fraud. Instead of simply sending him money, I've purchased advertising from him instead. It was handled professionally and he even gave me extended time. Plus he's given me free access to the Paracast Plus for my volunteer time. So far as I know there's no law against simply asking people to send money to help them out.

I'm not saying it would be my first choice as a marketing strategy, but a donation button is essentially the same thing. Don't forget that I've seen all the same emails you're talking about. I just have a different perspective. On the other hand, if you find an actual criminal conviction for him someplace, that would be another story.

In the meantime it's probably better to lighten up about it all. Your last line there comes across rather dark. I'm sure we can discuss something more interesting, and if I find I've actually walked into the den of the devil who has used his mystical powers to deceive naïve innocent little me, I'll be sure to let you know you were right.

You are dead wrong Randall

Hes been at it for 12 years, concocts all sorts of BS to fill out his latest begging letter. Has been caught in outright lies.

Thats just a sample. Thats not bad luck needing help. Its a grifter telling lies to obtain money by deception

 

[USI Calgary]

... To believe it, you have to believe bullshit. That's basically all there is to it ...

The situation for me is some limited experience from talking with Gene and Chris on Skype as well as emails from them and Biedny and browsing all the various sorts of accusations against Gene. I've never lived with him so I can't say for certain what exactly is and isn't BS.

However from what I've been able to tell, from Gene's perspective he's been in situations where he's had financial problems and felt that reaching out for financial help from the community wasn't such a big sin. That's about all I've been able to tell.

I've seen no evidence of criminal fraud or scamming or lying about any paranormal experiences he's had in order to sell books on fabricated stories. In fact his views on Meier, Knell, etc. are well known and the show itself is also one that doesn't simply take everything at face value. IMO it's been a credit to the field.

At the same time, that doesn't mean I don't understand how people can be put-off about the way he's sought donations in the past. Hopefully that will change for the better in the future. In the meantime I haven't got the impressing from him I've ever been lied to outright or attempted to have been scammed by him in any way.

 

[Black Angus]

The real reason Chris left

Christopher O'BrienJanuary 10, 2018 at 1:42 PM
I have repeatedly asked Gene to STOP w/ all his begging and find a way to monetize the show. He responds the same way every time: "go sell some ads.

Christopher O'BrienJanuary 10, 2018 at 2:42 PM
This I did not know and this is NOT acceptable! Gene, I know you are reading this: Please immediately stop the solicitation/begging on our Paracast accounts.

Which leads us to discussion about his cohost, Gene Steinberg. Their show, The Paracast, is on 35-40 AM/FM talk radio stations around the country, they have a huge audience, yet Gene is constantly begging for money. Chris says Gene “is doing a hell of a lot better than I am.” Chris tells us he never gets paid, that Gene “keeps shaming me to keep me there.” He says Gene is stuck in the 50s, that it is he who gets all the great guests. But he’s tired of reading 2-3 books a week and having to make all the phone calls.

End Of Days – Chris O’Brien |The Paracast|Stalking The Herd|UFOS|Conspira-Seacruise|EOD 20

David Biedny, in response to the fake Thomas R. Morrison email posted at the UFO Watchdog page on Facebook: "What a total shitshow. I apologize to everyone for helping enable Gene in any way.

 

[Black Angus]

The situation for me is some limited experience from talking with Gene and Chris on Skype as well as emails from them and Biedny and browsing all the various sorts of accusations against Gene. I've never lived with him so I can't say for certain what exactly is and isn't BS.

However from what I've been able to tell, from Gene's perspective he's been in situations where he's had financial problems and felt that reaching out for financial help from the community wasn't such a big sin. That's about all I've been able to tell.

I've seen no evidence of criminal fraud or scamming or lying about any paranormal experiences he's had in order to sell books on fabricated stories. In fact his views on Meier, Knell, etc. are well known and the show itself is also one that doesn't simply take everything at face value. IMO it's been a credit to the field.

At the same time, that doesn't mean I don't understand how people can be put-off about the way he's sought donations in the past. Hopefully that will change for the better in the future. In the meantime I haven't got the impressing from him I've ever been lied to outright or attempted to have been scammed by him in any way.

If you keep track here
SchemeGeneRC (@SchemeGeneRC) | Twitter

Hes actually doubling down on the behavior not easing off

 

[Black Angus]

There is plenty of evidence in the comments sections of these blogs to raise the issue of fraud.
He once asked me to "invest" in the paracast, but did not declare he is a bankrupt during that conversion.

I highly doubt he has declare these donation to the IRS as well.

No hes dirty Randall, very very dirty


Since Gene is using his financial situation to solicit "donations", I believe his finances warrant further scrutiny. It is only fair to the people who have or are considering donating to him.

If Gene Steinberg and the Paracast are soliciting funds under false pretenses (car accidents that didn't happen, overdue insurance bills, Barbara's non-existent purse business, non-payment of rent, etc.), then that is a FELONY. Punishable by jail time.

After 12 years of living the "high life" (luxury apartment, driving a BMW then a KIA, eating out every night with Barbara), meanwhile begging for money, just listen to the David Biedny interview on Mabus, at the 22 minute mark, he spills all about Gene.



This was 8 years ago and Gene's con continued. David tried to warn everybody but he was suppressed and bullied by Gene. The proof is all there.

And

Here’s the proof Gene has been swindling and stealing from people since 1994. He even had a warrant out for his arrest. Gene can hide behind the microphone and GCN Genesis Communications Network, but public records tell the real story.

The PROOF is here:
Civil Court Case Information - Case History


Note that Gene Steinberg has 7 judgments, or more, entered against him, just in Arizona totaling almost $50,000. These don't even include eviction orders, which probably puts his total judgment count up to around a dozen or so:

CV1996-018304 Steinberg, Eugene - DOB: N/A - $4,280.48
CV1994-009488 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $1,642.67
CV2001-019951 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - no amount listed
CV2002-005870 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $136.00
CV2005-012609 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $28,317.20 + $1,074.00
CV2007-008361 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $5,894.90 + $389.40
CV2007-011472 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - No amount listed

Not hard times Randall, career grifter. But you are a big boy you make your own mind up

 

[Black Angus]

But Einstein was wrong, space and time dont warp and Gene is an honest guy.

Ignorance is indeed bliss eh Randall

 

[USI Calgary]

You are dead wrong Randall. He's been at it for 12 years, concocts all sorts of BS to fill out his latest begging letter. Has been caught in outright lies.

Thats just a sample. Thats not bad luck needing help. Its a grifter telling lies to obtain money by deception

That's all too small to read and it could be 100 pages long. It makes no difference unless there's some real substance there, and like I said, every example I've looked at indicated to me responsibility for the outcome on both sides of the equation, and I've never had any problems with him personally other than getting banned unfairly ( IMO ) once.

So unless someone walks me through some specifically horrendous examples with some verifiable evidence or criminal conviction records, all I can say is nobody is perfect, and although I wouldn't use his methods, this all looks like a major smear campaign. I actually find it hard to believe the forum permits it because it has rules when you sign up about defamation. I don't want to take part in that. It's not why I joined.