Wars & Rumours of Wars

nivek

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Iran's deadly kamikaze drones arrive in Jerusalem: Sirens heard across the city as Israel fires missiles to intercept aerial bombardment - with explosions seen lighting up the sky​

Iran has launched around a hundred drones and missiles to attack Israel that are set to hit within hours, after Israel announced it was closing all schools amid fears of an attack from the rogue state. Dozens of drones were seen flying from Iran over neighbouring Iraq's Sulaymaniya province, according to three security sources. Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) said via state media that it had 'launched extensive drone strikes against targets in occupied territories'. Tensions between Israel and Iran have been rising since Israel attacked Iran's embassy in Syria on April 1. Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu said despite the attack, 'The State of Israel is strong, the IDF is strong, the people of Israel are strong'.

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Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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nivek said:
So it begins, Iran sending drones to attack Israel...I doubt any of them will hit their targets, if so it would show a fatal weakness in US and Osrael defenses...

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Iran is just venting off frustration because they can't do anything that would make the difference. You can actually hear them in the video, they sound like pizza delivery ;-)

Their drones are powered by scooter motors and very slow, so any half decent air defence can shoot them down just for fun. Ukrainians shoot down like 70% - 80% of similar Russian ones that are built with Iranian license.
 
nivek

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Israel threatens AIRSTRIKES on Iran as Biden is accused of 'sleepwalking the US into another catastrophic war' and Trump slams 'incompetent' president for failing to address the nation​

Israel today threatened airstrikes on Iran in retaliation for a 350-missile blitz amid fears the conflict will spiral into all-out war in the Middle East. Joe Biden is facing mounting pressure to contain the crisis, with defense experts claiming the president has allowed the conflict in Gaza to spread and that the expanding battle lines risk pulling in allies including the US. Donald Trump last night accused Biden of 'weakness and incompetence' as he railed against his election rival for failing to address the American public following the attack by Tehran, its first ever direct assault on Israel. IDF spokesman Peter Lerner on Monday morning confirmed that there would be retaliation from Israel, stating that this could involve 'a strike or no strike.' He explained that military top brass had submitted 'a wide range of options' and that there are 'a lot of different scenarios' on the table. The Israeli government will 'decide on the steps forward' as early as today or within the coming days, Lerner told reporters. Israel says it intercepted 99 percent of the hundreds of missiles and drones fired by Iran. 'Just because we were successful in intercepting, we shouldn't underestimate what Iran did,' Lerner said. 'We can't take that lightly.'

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pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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If Israel responds - and that remains to be seen - my guess is they would go straight for something that hurts very badly. Part of that nuclear enrichment program we've paid for possibly It's supposed to be widely dispersed and protected but no doubt there is an answer for that, and also no doubt US assets will be involved in target identification and selection. What is said in public is - I hope - not what is being said privately.
 
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Rick Hunter

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nivek said:

Israel threatens AIRSTRIKES on Iran as Biden is accused of 'sleepwalking the US into another catastrophic war' and Trump slams 'incompetent' president for failing to address the nation​

Israel today threatened airstrikes on Iran in retaliation for a 350-missile blitz amid fears the conflict will spiral into all-out war in the Middle East. Joe Biden is facing mounting pressure to contain the crisis, with defense experts claiming the president has allowed the conflict in Gaza to spread and that the expanding battle lines risk pulling in allies including the US. Donald Trump last night accused Biden of 'weakness and incompetence' as he railed against his election rival for failing to address the American public following the attack by Tehran, its first ever direct assault on Israel. IDF spokesman Peter Lerner on Monday morning confirmed that there would be retaliation from Israel, stating that this could involve 'a strike or no strike.' He explained that military top brass had submitted 'a wide range of options' and that there are 'a lot of different scenarios' on the table. The Israeli government will 'decide on the steps forward' as early as today or within the coming days, Lerner told reporters. Israel says it intercepted 99 percent of the hundreds of missiles and drones fired by Iran. 'Just because we were successful in intercepting, we shouldn't underestimate what Iran did,' Lerner said. 'We can't take that lightly.'

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Of course, if Joe was taking more decisive action then Trump would be accuse him of getting us into another lengthy and unwinnable war.
 
nivek

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Iran threatens to use 'weapons it has never used' in 'painful and severe' response if Israel launches retaliatory airstrikes​

Iran has threatened to use 'weapons it has never used' in a 'painful and severe' response if Israel launches airstrikes in retaliation to Tehran's weekend salvo.

Israel earlier vowed that it will respond to Iran's unprecedented drone and missile attack, amid fears that the Middle East is teetering on the edge of an all-our war.

As the West urged for calmer heads to prevail in the Jewish state, Iranian Parliament's National Security Committee Abolfazl Amoue stated that Iran is 'prepared to use a weapon that we have never used' if Israel responds further.

Speaking on Monday, he said Israel should consider its next steps and 'act wisely.'

Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi also warned Israel it will face a 'painful response' if it takes the 'slightest action' in response to his country's attack.

The threats raise fears that Iran's lacklustre drone and missile barrage - 99 percent of which was intercepted by Israel and its allies - could further push Tehran to develop nuclear weapons.

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nivek

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Moscow pledges fighter jets and air defenses to Tehran including advanced missiles capable of shooting down US and Israeli stealth planes​

Russian military officials have quietly been supporting Iran with weapons and information as the crisis in the Middle East escalates, it has emerged.

A strategic alliance between the two hostile nations, reports the Washington Post, has seen Russia supply an array of artillery to Iran, including prized anti-aircraft launchers and drones.

The reported deals are evidence of a concerning dynamic between the two nations, which experts warn show Iran is growing in strength and negotiating power as it barrels towards war.

'It’s no longer the patron-client dynamic, where Russia holds all the leverage,' said Hanna Notte, director of the Eurasia Nonproliferation Program at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies.

'The Iranians are accruing benefits from this change. The nature of their relationship has gone beyond just getting things. There’s knowledge transfer, there’s intangible gains.'

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pigfarmer

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Historically speaking Russian/Soviet air defenses in that region have not fared well against Western incursions.

I imagine there are a number of people right now who can't quite believe none of their crap actually made it ............ and who are now wondering as much as us what happens next.
 
Dejan Corovic

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pigfarmer said:
Historically speaking Russian/Soviet air defenses in that region have not fared well against Western incursions.

I imagine there are a number of people right now who can't quite believe none of their crap actually made it ............ and who are now wondering as much as us what happens next.
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Israeli F-35s are even better then American ones. I doubt that Russian air defences can detect F-35s flying low over desert and hiding in a ground clutter.

Back in 2022 Israeli F-35s actually penetrated deep into Iran and came back home unscaved:

 
nivek

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Israel strikes Iran as explosions are reported in Iraq and Syria: Netanyahu defies Biden and retaliates after Tehran launched unprecedented missile barrage on the Jewish state​

Israel strikes Iran as explosions are reported in Iraq and Syria as Netanyahu defies Biden

Israel has conducted airstrikes on a target in Iran, US officials say. An official told ABC News that strikes hit a site in Iran, however it is unclear what target was hit or the extent of the damage. It comes in response to Iran launching a barrage of hundreds of drones and rockets at Israel on Saturday, which was largely thwarted by Israel and its international allies. Footage shared on social media appeared to show anti-aircraft fire striking over the city of Isfahan in central Iran, and the Israel War Room shared video of sirens sounding in the city. The city of Isfahan is the site of one of Iran's nuclear facilities. Further explosions have reportedly hit Iraq and Syria.

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AD1184

AD1184

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It is interesting that Iran sabotaged its own attack against Israel by publicly announcing that their slow-flying drones were on the way across Iraq hours before they would arrive in Israel. I am wondering if a substantial proportion of the drones were unarmed decoys. The combined bill for the operation of all nations involved in destroying Iran's drones and missiles is over $1 billion. If a substantial proportion of the drones were unarmed decoys, then that would further improve the ratio of costs each side spent in Iran's favour. Hypothetically, if Iran's cheap drones had been allowed to reach Israel without an announcement forewarning of them, then they might then have impacted without the expected explosions, giving the game away.
 
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Rick Hunter

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As long as the state of Israel exists, they are going to be fighting with their neighbors. Simple as that, just a fact of life regardless of whose fault the conflict is. I feel really bad for the ordinary citizens of all the nations involved. I can't imagine many of them want warfare or are benefitting from it but they will pay for it.
 
pigfarmer

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I do find it odd the Iranians would telegraph their punch that way and have read some accounts of their drones being mere decoys but none is anything really to credit. Whatever that was, it was a really weird back & forth that we won't know the truth behind for quite some time.

Hell, we've flown planeloads of money to Iran for reasons nobody is clear on so I'm not sure the cost of operations is the foremost consideration. The US Navy is looking at several things that tip their hand a bit. Automated supply vessels and autonomous warships are definitely being tested but the real call is for easily deployable anti-drone weaponry powered by the ship's electrical systems that do not require replenishment and torpedoes. Many, many comparatively simple cheap expendable torpedoes.
 
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