Wars & Rumours of Wars

AD1184

Celestial
This is ridiculous fear-mongering, Russia's military is too weak and broken to invade Europe...

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Experts warn Putin is poised to invade Europe

These war mongers exist in a permanent contradiction: on the one hand, Putin threatens all of Europe and stands ready to invade. On the other, Ukraine just needs that little bit more military aid from the west to permanently subdue Russia. In principle, at most one of these things is true. In truth, it is neither.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
This is ridiculous fear-mongering, Russia's military is too weak and broken to invade Europe...

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Experts warn Putin is poised to invade Europe


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Exactly. That is a type of low-braw fear mongering that is targeted at people who have little time to do fact checking.

Durring WW2 GDP of Allies vs Germany was 4.1 : 1, and we all know which side lost.

But right now GDP of NATO vs Russia is something like 24 : 1. Russia's economy is approximately same size as ecconomy of a single state of New York in US, or economy of Sout KOREA. Attacking and enemy who's 24 times bigger then you would be mildly suicidal.

Big problem with media is that it is run by all these hairbrained types with degrees in literature, whose concept of trugth is that truth is what everybody in their pier group thinks. Naturally, they never bother to check any facts, and only put themselves on a sholder when they spin some high emotions.
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
This is how deceptive EU is, when one summs up GDPs of all the European NATO members they have x10 times more industrial power then Russia. EU can swipe Russia off the table completely on it's own, yet it plays coy about footing the bill:



Germany​
4921563​
United Kingdom​
3730261​
France​
3283429​
Italy​
2459597​
Canada​
2330308​
Spain​
1827576​
Turkey​
1455413​
Netherlands​
1272960​
Poland​
915451​
Belgium​
689364​
Sweden​
638780​
Ireland​
587225​
Norway​
503466​
Total:​
24,615,393​
Russia​
2,195,708​
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I can't say I really understand why they are so ON about this, no doubt there is some underlying reason that I am not overly concerned with. I will be interested if we hear of any more Biden/Burisma involvement.

It's their back yard, if they feel froggy then jump just please leave my wallet out of this
 

AD1184

Celestial
This is how deceptive EU is, when one summs up GDPs of all the European NATO members they have x10 times more industrial power then Russia. EU can swipe Russia off the table completely on it's own, yet it plays coy about footing the bill:



Germany​
4921563​
United Kingdom​
3730261​
France​
3283429​
Italy​
2459597​
Canada​
2330308​
Spain​
1827576​
Turkey​
1455413​
Netherlands​
1272960​
Poland​
915451​
Belgium​
689364​
Sweden​
638780​
Ireland​
587225​
Norway​
503466​
Total:​
24,615,393​
Russia​
2,195,708​
Europe's military industrial strength is somewhat compromised. Russia can exceed the whole of Europe in the manufacture of artillery shells, for example. Russia also has greater purchasing power parity with its own military expenditure than Europe. Britain's armed forces are in an even-less-fit state to fight than Russia's. One response to this state of affairs by the British government might be to try not to antagonize Russia. Teddy Roosevelt said that you should walk softly and carry a big stick. If you cannot afford a big stick, the least you can do is walk softly.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Europe's military industrial strength is somewhat compromised. Russia can exceed the whole of Europe in the manufacture of artillery shells, for example. Russia also has greater purchasing power parity with its own military expenditure than Europe. Britain's armed forces are in an even-less-fit state to fight than Russia's. One response to this state of affairs by the British government might be to try not to antagonize Russia. Teddy Roosevelt said that you should walk softly and carry a big stick. If you cannot afford a big stick, the least you can do is walk softly.
I believe you have the root of it right there. If you have to ask yourself why the answer is almost always money.

It's oversimplifying it a bit but Teddy's big stick was a direct response to a recognized military threat to our west coast. If one exists then take action.
 

AD1184

Celestial
I believe you have the root of it right there. If you have to ask yourself why the answer is almost always money.
If you want a standing army, you have to pay them. Them, and all the people who supply them arms. Arms manufacturing is a notoriously corrupt business, so you also have to pay above a fair market rate for your arms.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
If you want a standing army, you have to pay them. Them, and all the people who supply them arms. Arms manufacturing is a notoriously corrupt business, so you also have to pay above a fair market rate for your arms.
yeah, the £18 ($22) for regular lightbulbs for UK military case, as reported by UK sergent turned whistleblower, still comes back to the mind. But UK is no exception, that's worldwide phenomenon.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
yeah, the £18 ($22) for regular lightbulbs for UK military case, as reported by UK sergent turned whistleblower, still comes back to the mind. But UK is no exception, that's worldwide phenomenon.
I believe the standard cliche is the $10000 toilet seats.

One of my favorites was during the Apollo program. We spent a boatload to develop a pen that would write in zero G. The Russians used a pencil.
 

AD1184

Celestial
yeah, the £18 ($22) for regular lightbulbs for UK military case, as reported by UK sergent turned whistleblower, still comes back to the mind. But UK is no exception, that's worldwide phenomenon.

Government workers in general are notoriously bad at negotiating contracts with private suppliers, and are easily fleeced. It happens in every government sector. Because it is other people's money, they do not really care.
 
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AD1184

Celestial
I believe the standard cliche is the $10000 toilet seats.

One of my favorites was during the Apollo program. We spent a boatload to develop a pen that would write in zero G. The Russians used a pencil.
Fisher developed his Space Pen with his own money and not NASA's, and sold a batch to NASA. The twist to the real story is that Fisher also successfully marketed his pen to the Soviet space programme, and cosmonauts ended up using them. Buzz Aldrin famously used a Paper Mate Flair felt-tip pen, as the capillary action of a felt-tip means that it works independent of gravity.
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow

Government workers in general are notoriously bad at negotiating contracts with private suppliers, and are easily fleeced. It happens in every government sector. Because it is other people's money, they do not really care.
I worked on a software contract for a UK gov., in a second stage of the project. In the first stage a well known international company did a "prototype" in some presentation software. So all that that "presentation" was it was how Graphical User Interface would look like, nothing else. But that same GUI could had been developed in the DB's GUI and it would cut development time exactly by 50%. Of course well known international company didn't explain that to the gov. employees. So UK gov. ended paying twice for the same work, and that company billed them twice. I thought to interveene but kenw better.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Agreed. I've worked under a number of military and government contracts and the sheer institutional constipation is mind boggling. They cling to outdated equipment and are mired in procedures that border on the absurd. Waste is an inevitable symptom.

Because it is other people's money, they do not really care
I spent 20+ years as a contractor for Metro North Railroad, part of the Metropolitan Transit Authority and that should be carved into a monument at their headquarters. In fact about ten years ago after a series of accidents that killed passengers they were forced to submit to an audit - an external audit - and on a smaller scale what I heard then sounds a lot like what I have been hearing recently. They immediately terminated the most egregious abusers and bought out the rest.

Here and there I'd deal directly with small business owners and that was an entirely different matter, one I am quite sympathetic to.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I don't believe this was a Russian drone, Zelensky has butt hurt over peace, he wants the war to continue and its very likely the drone is one of his....IMO

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Ukraine's Zelensky reveals Putin's message as Russian drone hits Chernobyl

Ukrainian President Zelensky stated that Russia's drone attack on the Chernobyl nuclear plant is a "very clear greeting" from Russian President Vladimir Putin at a crucial moment in the peace process.

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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I don't believe this was a Russian drone, Zelensky has butt hurt over peace, he wants the war to continue and its very likely the drone is one of his....IMO

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Ukraine's Zelensky reveals Putin's message as Russian drone hits Chernobyl

Ukrainian President Zelensky stated that Russia's drone attack on the Chernobyl nuclear plant is a "very clear greeting" from Russian President Vladimir Putin at a crucial moment in the peace process.

(More on the link)

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Cui bono?
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Well, it would benefit his cause if he in fact did that false flag maneuver...If he got Europe to accept his claims...

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Exactly.
Just a cheap headfake. Zelenski is basically saying, if Trump and Putin are do a deal without him he'll make a hell by re-creating Chernobil environmental catastrophe.
 
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