Wars & Rumours of Wars

Discussion in 'Present & Current Events' started by Toroid, May 15, 2019.

  1. pigfarmer

    pigfarmer tall, thin, irritable

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    There are international laws regarding maritime salvage that apply here.

    This is an interesting incident that brought to light early US deep recovery capability - which in 1966 were still a clusterfuck. But they got what they were after. 1966 Palomares B-52 crash - Wikipedia

    I'd be surprised if Russia or anybody else has the capability to retrieve this thing. But, who the hell knows. Even if they find it first I bet we have ways of destroying it

    Incidentally, the takeaway from the Palomares link would be the name John P Craven. He has passed away, but if you were ever looking for the government's Chief Scientist Who Knows Things - really Knows Things, that would have been the man.
     
  2. Dejan Corovic

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    ;-) :) :)

    Russians don't have tech to recover their own stuff from the bottom of the sea, never mind somebody else's.
     
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  3. Dejan Corovic

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    art.memes__All Wars fought in the World.jpg

    An interesting view on human history. The chart above shows all the wars that humankind ever fought.

    By comparison with Europe, America and China are civilised regions.
     
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  4. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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  5. Dejan Corovic

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    No country in its right mind should be messing with China. China has 1.5 B people, US only 0.35 B and China is growing faster, even when adjusted for biased GDP reporting.

    US is hard to reach, but China is impossible to surround. China will always have back-country from which it can re-group.

    In a hypothetical war across the Pacific US would need to maintain military logistics across wast distances. This ultra-long logistics distance is Achilles heal of the US. Chine can keep attacking these supply lines. Overstretched logistic lines were what killed both Napoleon and Hitler when they attacked Russia. Its almost better for US to let China attack West Coast and than US can harass China's overstretched logistic lines. Remember US general Paton's words "I don't know what logistics is, but sure I need some". He said that when his tanks run out of fuel while chasing Nazis.

    US is completely wrong to constantly keep poking at Chinese. Things can turn nasty by a pure misjudged accident and then nobody will be able to stop the escalation into a full nuclear war. Only sensible policy is perusing mutual benefit and peaceful progress of both nations. US can keep its own advantage for very long into future by simply out-spending China on science.

    Nuclear WW3 with China would be at least SIX times more devastating for the planet than war with the Soviet Union, simply because China's GDP is approximately that many times bigger than CCCP's.
     
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  6. pigfarmer

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    The phrase may be apocryphal but 'amateurs talk tactics and professionals talk logistics'

    China is pushy but not suicidal and is a regional entity, incapable of projecting power globally. The Russians sure can't anymore - they'll do well to fail to take a bite out of the Crimea because they probably can't digest it properly. The Red Army ain't no more but popular opinion in the West fueled my nonsensical media makes them out to be more of a boogeyman than they really are.

    But China likes to push where it perceives weakness and is persistent and just wants to see what sticks.

    Chinese salami slicing strategy - Wikipedia

    They've done this with India and Vietnam and more recently to the Philippines. They rightfully perceive weakness and division and incompetence in US leadership and that explains their aggressive rhetoric - Taiwan is something they want very much and is tantalizingly close to their grasp. With our current administration plus Gen. Miley at JCS I expect some sort of low level confrontation to escalate. They're not tied to a four year political cycle like we are and take a longer view - I wonder if they see the changes coming and will decide to act sooner than later.
     
  7. Dejan Corovic

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    Yeah, Taiwan is in trouble long term, because China will attack it at some point in future. Currently China is just testing the water and waiting.
     

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