Wars & Rumours of Wars

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
According to this survey only Fins and Turks are prepared to fight for their country. Ukrainians so and so.

Funny thing is, Germans have no intention of fighting for their country. Who's gonna do that for them?

 

AD1184

Celestial
According to this survey only Fins and Turks are prepared to fight for their country. Ukrainians so and so.

Funny thing is, Germans have no intention of fighting for their country. Who's gonna do that for them?

Well, what does "fight for one's country" mean in the present day? Surely, it is entirely dependent on whom the powers that be determine is "the enemy". The wars that the armed forces of the west are typically asked to fight in are stupid wars of choice, in order to further a particular set of values held by an elite segment of those societies. Given this, it is hardly surprising that not many people are willing to fight.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
According to this survey only Fins and Turks are prepared to fight for their country. Ukrainians so and so.

Funny thing is, Germans have no intention of fighting for their country. Who's gonna do that for them?


The Finns have a very different history with the Russians and are not to be ****ed with. The Russians bit off more than they can chew in the Ukraine, I have a hard time seeing them invading anything else.

Maybe the people in East Palestine, Ohio can appeal to Zelensky for some aid.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
The Russians bit off more than they can chew in the Ukraine

The US and NATO left Russia with few other options, if the US government (Military Industrial Complex) had not meddled in Ukraine like they have a long history of doing in other countries, its likely Russia would not have went to war...They see this as an existential threat, especially now that the war has quickly become a proxy war with the US...Now the US is ramping up its meddling in Taiwan, seems WW3 is inevitable, just hope it doesnt go nuclear or we all loose...

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AD1184

Celestial
The US and NATO left Russia with few other options, if the US government (Military Industrial Complex) had not meddled in Ukraine like they have a long history of doing in other countries, its likely Russia would not have went to war...They see this as an existential threat, especially now that the war has quickly become a proxy war with the US...Now the US is ramping up its meddling in Taiwan, seems WW3 is inevitable, just hope it doesnt go nuclear or we all loose...

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I think Ukraine is a trap laid for Russia by the US, which the Russians were stupid enough to go for. No matter what Russian concerns were over US and EU involvement in the region (which were real, but are downplayed in western media and by western governments), the worst choice available to them was to actually commit to a war in Ukraine.
 

nivek

As Above So Below

Chinese military orders US plane away from its airspace, flies fighter jet 500 feet from wing

A U.S. Navy plane recently flying over the South China Sea reportedly received an ominous radio warning from China before the country scrambled a jet to track the U.S. aircraft.

"No approaching any more or you will pay full responsibility," a voice from a Chinese air force ground station told a U.S. Navy P-8 flying outside of Chinese airspace over the South China Sea, NBC News reported.

Shortly after, a Chinese fighter jet positioned itself about 500 feet from the left wing of the U.S. plane, which continued on its course, for an over an hour before peeling away.

U.S. military officials say that the encounters are becoming more frequent in the South China Sea as China attempts to position itself as the dominant force in the area and claims control over many of the largely uninhabited islands in the sea.


(More on the link)

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Russia's desires in the Ukraine seem more base than any carefully conceived geopolitical trap.

Chinese and US aircraft have damaged and shot each other down in times past. Often this all went quietly by the wayside during the Cold War. I imagine the number of airmen lost would run in the hundreds. Mostly reconnaissance.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Russia's desires in the Ukraine seem more base than any carefully conceived geopolitical trap.

Chinese and US aircraft have damaged and shot each other down in times past. Often this all went quietly by the wayside during the Cold War. I imagine the number of airmen lost would run in the hundreds. Mostly reconnaissance.

China will never shoot US plane, because Chinese leaders know what's coming next. Anything China can manufacture Japan, South Korea, India and Vietnam can manufacture 10 times better. Its just posturing. Just make sure that US plane falls outside Chinese territorial waters.

Anyways, here is a proof we still live in a democracy. US professor routing for Putin:


View: https://youtu.be/Q06ZzYDSA1Q
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
China will never shoot US plane, because Chinese leaders know what's coming next. Anything China can manufacture Japan, South Korea, India and Vietnam can manufacture 10 times better. Its just posturing. Just make sure that US plane falls outside Chinese territorial waters.

Anyways, here is a proof we still live in a democracy. US professor routing for Putin:


View: https://youtu.be/Q06ZzYDSA1Q


I'll have a look at the video.

I'm referring to incidents from years past where yes, we have shot each others planes downs and killed people. the US, Russia and China and it all had to be kept quiet. The cost of doing business in the Cold War and it was years and years ago.

This is more much recent than the ones I am referring to and not that far in the past. We have short memories:
Hainan Island incident - Wikipedia
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nivek

As Above So Below
I'm not rooting for Putin but I don't blame this war on him and I think China is right about one thing, NATO and the US needs to get out of their cold war mentality or the future is going to be problematic for the world...Times are changing, not saying for the better, but NATO and the US needs to leave the past in the past, US government politicians are always vilifying Russia and blames Putin for everything at home or overseas and that needs to stop...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I'm not rooting for Putin but I don't blame this war on him and I think China is right about one thing, NATO and the US needs to get out of their cold war mentality or the future is going to be problematic for the world...Times are changing, not saying for the better, but NATO and the US needs to leave the past in the past, US government politicians are always vilifying Russia and blames Putin for everything at home or overseas and that needs to stop...

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Agreed. But invading to de-Nazify ? That's on him. All he had to do was NOT do that and there wouldn't be such a mess.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Agreed. But invading to de-Nazify ? That's on him. All he had to do was NOT do that and there wouldn't be such a mess.

There are a lot of Ukraine Nazi elements, using that as a scapegoat to invade is on him...Ukraine was a buffer between NATO and Russia, it should a have remained that way for the sake of peace...Ukraine was thriving and doing well enough before the US began meddling and installed their own preferred leaders there...America had no business being there, one of Obama's legacies...

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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Now that our economies and cultures are so intermingled across whole world I think is better time then ever to sue for a lasting piece on Earth.

Germany, Japan, Vietnam and Ukraine all had their economies destroyed back into the stone age. I think in general pursuit of war is waste of human potential.

It takes one second to kill the man, but it takes 20 years to make one. So, by definition war is an idiotic affair.
 

wwkirk

Divine
Putin has a private army? This is straight from Wikipedia without any fact checking. As is well known, some Wiki editors are biased, but here it is.

"The Wagner Group (Russian: Группа Вагнера, romanized: Gruppa Vagnera), also known as PMC Wagner; lit. 'Wagner Private Military Company'), is a Russian paramilitary organization. It is variously described as a private military company (PMC), a network of mercenaries, or a de facto private army of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The group operates beyond the law in Russia, where private military contractors are officially forbidden. While the Wagner Group itself is not ideologically driven, various elements of Wagner have been linked to neo-Nazis and far-right extremists."

Here's what led me to look them up.
 
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