Was Epstein Suicided?

Rikki said:
Let's make one thing clear:
If Trump was on the Epstein client list, Biden would have released it on his first day in office. The fact that we still don't have the client list tells us one thing: Donald Trump was not on it.
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Excellent point - never occurred to me.

There must be something uncomfortable in there, I find it very odd that Dan Bongino had that reaction but I think maybe I'm gravitating back toward conspiracy theory. If there actually is something it probably is not what we might expect.

Former Epstein lawyer speaks out amid controversy

Alan Dershowitz certainly has what-to-say about this and it isn't quite what I heard a year or so ago from him. Maybe it is and it's just the Mengele Effect at work again .....

"I know that he never kept a client list, if he had, I'm pretty confident he would have told me about it," Dershowitz. "And after all, you know, I was one when I was lawyers."

"You know, it's so easy for the media to point fingers and say, Justice Department's at fault," Dershowitz said. "There's a client list. It's not. It's being suppressed. That all overstates it. It's much more complicated and nuanced than that."

"I think that Pam Bondi had a lot of information on her desk, and after it was assessed and evaluated, she turned out everything that she could. So no, I don't think that, Pam Bondi, or the president can be criticized for this."



 

Musk demolishes Trump's explosive claim that Democrats created Epstein files 'hoax'... as Bondi FIRES woman who knew everything​

Elon Musk took aim at Donald Trump on Wednesday after the president attempted to redefine Jeffrey Epstein's notorious sex trafficking scandal as just a 'hoax' created by the Democrats. The Tesla billionaire blew a hole through the president's latest claim by pointing out some obvious facts - including that Epstein's former confidant Ghislaine Maxwell remains locked up in federal prison.

'Wow, amazing that Epstein "killed himself" and Ghislaine is in federal prison for a hoax,' the SpaceX CEO posted on his X account. 'He should just release the files and point out which part is the hoax,' he added in another post.

Musk's barrage of criticism crystallized the growing discontent from Trump's MAGA base over the president's handling of the Epstein files. Anti-trans activist Riley Gaines bashed the president for saying people who wanted more answers on Epstein were either 'stupid' or 'foolish.'

Trump's favorite comedian, Shane Gillis, quipped that he was due to make a joke about Epstein at the ESPYS 'but I guess it got deleted' and actually 'probably never existed.'

Amid the onslaught, Attorney General Pam Bondi fired the Manhattan federal prosecutor who gathered all the federal evidence on Epstein while working to put both him and Maxwell behind bars. The prosecutor who was fired, Maureen Comey, is the daughter of former FBI Director James Comey.

Maureen Comey argued in 2024 against releasing documents related to the Epstein investigation due to 'possible embarrassment and harassment' of the victims.

Meanwhile, Trump has claimed her father James Comey simply 'made up' the existence of the Epstein files, along with former President Obama and Hillary Clinton.

'I would say that, you know, these files were made up by Comey, they were made up by Obama, they were made up by the Biden,' Trump said Tuesday at the White House.

Wednesday's backlash began when Trump made the 'hoax' comment during an appearance in the Oval Office. 'I know it’s a hoax. It’s started by Democrats,' the president claimed while meeting with the Crown Prince of Bahrain. 'It's been run by the Democrats for four years,' he continued, despite promising on the campaign trail that he would release all of the files related to the sex pest.

Trump went on to hit out at 'some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans' who buy into the idea that Epstein kept a client list, and accused them of trying to 'do the Democrats' work.'

Musk was emboldened, posting about Epstein 13 times in just over an hour Wednesday afternoon, according to the Daily Beast.

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This is just me shooting from the hip and I could very well be wrong and I am not attempting to defend DT but isn't Maxwell in prison because she was one actively recruiting/collecting vulnerable young women for transport to that island?

Bondi said that 'the documents' include hundreds of hours of video of underage victims being abused and were being withheld to protect their privacy. If this were another sort of serial rape case wouldn't that be acceptable?

Dershowitz has said that he is not at all surprised that Epstein killed himself as he lived a life of luxury and privilege and would not want to 'rot in a rat infested prison'. People manage to kill themselves n prison with some regularity why is this such an impossibilty? Robin Williams hung himself from a friggin' doorknob.

I know that there are all sorts of suspicious elements and personally I wouldn't be surprised if it were revealed that well known people were involved but again, look at all the conspiracy theory surrounding the JFK assassination and what did the classified document dump reveal? Institutional CYA and not much else and the conspiracy theorists are still not satisfied because they didn't get the result they wanted. This tells me that short if using a time machine to go back and look they never will be. So even if Bondi did release absolutely everything would that put and end to it? I doubt it.

As @Rikki pointed out this occurred under the Biden administration that literally invented pure horseshit to harm Trump. If there were the smallest morsel in there to get at DT or any Republican it would have been instantly used as a cudgel. Same is true for the current administration - if they had proof Bill Clinton were on that island raping young women wouldn't that headline news instantly?

True conspiracies are usually revealed pretty quickly. Lincoln's assassination and Watregate are two I can think of right off the bat. Maybe there is more to it, IDK but justifying conspiracy puts you out on some thin limbs quickly and I tend to look at motives. You really think Jim Marrs was objective about JFK? Of course not, he was marketing his own product. I see Musk as venal and temperamental with personal motives to fuel this - hardly objective.

On a side note - Marjorie Taylor Greene and Jasmine Crockett should be bound together and hurled into any convenient active volcano.



A two second search found this:

Ghislaine Maxwell Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors

"MAXWELL was previously found guilty on December 29, 2021, following a one-month jury trial, of conspiracy to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, conspiracy to transport minors to participate in illegal sex acts, transporting a minor to participate in illegal sex acts, sex trafficking conspiracy, and sex trafficking of a minor."
 
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pigfarmer said:
On a side not - Marjorie Taylor Greene and Jasmine Crockett should be bound together and hurled into any convenient active volcano.
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YES, and I would toss in that socialist/communist wannabe mayor and Blake Lively...:Whistle::laugh8:

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nivek said:
YES, and I would toss in that socialist/communist wannabe mayor and Blake Lively...:Whistle::laugh8:

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There's been a stupid rumor that DT was having illegals being deported thrown out of airplanes into the ocean. Doing that to illegals would be horrifying but God does it give me ideas about others that wouldn't be .....:)

Active volcanoes present more of a logistical challenge but there's no lack of ocean and Shark Week is coming up Sunday ....we should start a list:

Gavin Newsom's a good starter
 
I have no bones in Epstein saga, but just want to analyze it a bit, because in all truth it's an old child's play:

1. US is big country > big country full of billionaire and millionaire oligarchs that can do whatever they want, even against interests of Washington's "swampers". Like when Elon Musk canceled Starlink to Ukraine right in the middle of the war.

2. Washington's "swampers" need to control these oligarchs. > "Three letters" intelligence services setup sex honey-pots for olis, and they've got their bags full of catch > "Three letters" agys use Epstein as a straw man or as an insulation layer for "three letters" so that all clues lead to Epstein, instead to "three letters". > Media & plebs got a wind of straw man, strawman "suicides" himself.

And there is a problem for Trump. Trump didn't need Epstein because Trump was a good looking guy, with money and egregious personality who had no problem attracting clueless young and beautiful women (like Melania). But problem is that "three letters" needed Epstein. Trump is now in a position of responsibility, he can't just blow up cover on "three letters" because they are hard to find pros with tons of expertise, and they have an important job to do and to keep doing.

So, give or take two weeks, dust will settle, plebs will calm down and inertia of status quo will re-impose itself.
 
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Epstein cover-up explodes as it's revealed Trump knew for MONTHS he was in files but was told they would not be released​

Donald Trump was informed months ago by Pam Bondi that his name appears 'multiple times' in the Jeffrey Epstein files the same day she recommended against releasing all documents, according to a new report. Senior administration officials claimed that Attorney General Bondi told Trump during a May 2025 meeting that his name was found in the Epstein documents more than previously thought, among hundreds of other high-profile individuals.

The files contained 'unverified hearsay' about Trump and the individuals who had social connections to Epstein, the officials claim. Bondi recommended in that same meeting, according to the Wall Street Journal, that the administration not release more files because they contained child pornography and personal information for victims.

Trump, the sources claim, deferred to his attorney general on whether to make additional files public. Just because the president is named in the files does not implicate him in any wrongdoing or connect him to Epstein's child sex trafficking crimes. Administration officials told the Journal that Bondi's May meeting with Trump was a routine briefing covering a number of topics - and the Epstein files weren't the focus. White House communications director Steven Cheung slammed the Journal's report as 'fake news' in a statement to the Daily Mail.

'The fact is that the President kicked him out of his club for being a creep. This is nothing more than a continuation of the fake news stories concocted by the Democrats and the liberal media, just like the Obama Russiagate scandal, which President Trump was right about,' he said.

Bondi has drawn ire and confusion from the MAGA base for a shady timeline on the documents. It's fueling conspiracies that there's a wider 'cover-up' being hatched by the administration. In February, Bondi said on Fox News that she had the Epstein 'client list' sitting on her desk ready for review. She then put out a 'Phase I' of the Epstein report shortly after, which did not contain any bombshell new information as promised, further angering his base. And according to a joint DOJ-FBI memo leaked months later in July, no such 'client list' was ever found in the agencies' review of Epstein-related documents.

During a Cabinet meeting on July 8, Bondi sought to clarify that she was actually referencing the complete paperwork related to the investigation into Epstein's child sex trafficking crimes. She then said that the reason more evidence was not released was because it contained child pornography. 'They turned out to be child porn downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein,' the attorney general said. 'Never going to be released, never going to see the light of day.' A week later on July 15, Trump denied that Bondi told him his name was flagged in the files after he emerged from another meeting with her. He replied, 'No, no,' when asked by a reporter whether his name being in the files came up at the briefing.

Trump told reporters on the South Lawn that Bondi had 'given us just a very quick briefing' on their contents before accusing former FBI Director James Comey of 'making up' the files. A DOJ official told the Daily Mail that communications failures are to blame for the botched Epstein files review. And the entire fallout was 'avoidable.'

The Trump administration, in an effort to be transparent, demanded the release of highly-secretive grand jury testimony from the Epstein case. However, Obama-appointed Judge Robin Rosenberg slapped down the request from Attorney General Pam Bondi to unseal proceedings on Wednesday. The move comes as a blow to Trump's MAGA base as they demand all details of the investigation into the disgraced financier and convicted child sex offender be made public.

According to an exclusive Daily Mail/JL Partners poll out Wednesday, the Epstein drama, although taking over the news cycle, is not impacting how Americans view the president. Forty-nine percent of voters now approve of Trump's job performance as president, up one point from the tracking survey conducted earlier in July. But the pressure is still mounting on the administration to deliver on its key campaign promise to put out documents related to Epstein.

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Republicans vote to haul in Bill and Hillary Clinton for questioning on Epstein files​

House Republicans have voted in favor of subpoenaing former President Bill Clinton and his wife former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for testimony about Jeffrey Epstein. A motion from Rep. Scott Perry to have Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer, R-Ky., solicit the former first couple's testimony passed Wednesday afternoon amid a flurry new developments around the saga that's consumed Washington.

The effort also called for other high-profile Democrats with expected ties to the late pedophile to be subpoenaed. Former Attorneys General Eric Holder and Merrick Garland will also be compelled to testify. So will former special counsel Robert Mueller, who oversaw Trump's Russia collusion case.

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Virginia Guiffre's statement to Ghislane Maxwell, read by Guiffre's attorney in court the day Maxwell was sentenced June 28,2022.

"Twenty-two years ago, in the summer of 2000, you spotted me at Mar-a-Lago in Florida, and you made a choice: You chose to follow me and procure me for Epstein. Just hours later, you and he abused me together for the first time. Together you damaged me physically, mentally, sexually and emotionally. Together you did unthinkable things that still have a corrosive impact on me to this day. I want to be clear about one thing: Without question, Jeffrey Epstein was a terrible pedophile, but I never would have met Jeffrey Epstein if not for you.

“For me, and for so many others, you opened the door to hell, and then, Ghislaine, like a wolf in sheep’s clothing, you used your femininity to betray us and you led us all through it. When you did that, you changed the course of our lives forever.

“You joked that you were like a new mother to us. As a woman, I think you understood the damage that you were causing, the price you were making us victims pay. You could have put an end to the rapes, the molestation, the sickening manipulation that you arranged, witnessed, and even took part in. You could have called the authorities and reported that you were part of something awful.

“I was young and naïve when we met, but you knew that. In fact, you were counting on it. My life as a young person was just beginning. You robbed me of that by exploiting my hopes and ambitions.

“Ghislaine, the pain you have caused me is almost indescribable. Because of your choices and the world you brought me into, I don’t sleep. Nightmares wake me at all hours. In those dreams, I relive the awful things that you and others did to me and the things that you forced me to do. Those memories will never go away. I have trouble meeting new people without questioning if somehow they’re going to hurt me, too. There is not a day that doesn’t go by that I don’t ask why. Why did you enjoy hurting us so much?

“I worry every single day and night that you will get away with it and evade being punished. I will worry about that until you’re brought to justice. And what should that justice look like? Ghislaine, you deserve to spend the rest of your life in prison in a jail cell.”

She added, “You deserve to be trapped in a cage forever just like you trapped your victims.”
 
This is all useless political theater designed to sway opinion and any actual facts are unnecessary.

If Obama or Biden had anything on Trump from those files they would have used them ten times over already and would not have needed to fabricate that ridiculous Steele Dossier.

Imagine the hue and cry if you simply put DTs name and face everywhere Clinton's does in those releases. Christ, there would be torches and pitchforks in the streets (more than there are already). The Clinton Foundation is a money and influence powerhouse not to be trifled with; IMO that's the 'big secret' that's being covered up and based on the Clinton's own recent statements I wouldn't doubt it.
 

Mystery inmate may have entered Epstein's prison area on the night he died, investigators say in files that contradict official account​

Newly released Epstein files have revealed investigators believe a prisoner appeared to access the area where the notorious paedophile was locked up on the night of his death. Hidden among the files released last Friday by the US Department of Justice (DoJ), the report appears to contradict the official account of what happened to Jeffrey Epstein in his final hours, lending the countless conspiracy theories that have long-plagued the controversial case credence.

Investigators from the FBI and the DoJ's Office of the Inspector General (OIG) flagged that CCTV footage from inside the Metropolitan Correctional Centre in New York, where Epstein was held before his death, appeared to show an orange flash that may have been 'an inmate' walking up to the floor the notorious paedophile was being held on. Officially, Epstein was reported to have died by suicide some time after 6.30am on August 10, 2019, when he was found by a corrections officer delivering his breakfast.

After he was found unresponsive in his jail cell, coroners at the time ruled that Epstein had hanged himself. To this day, no official time of death has been determined, as two of the cameras outside his cell had 'malfunctioned' and were investigated by the FBI. The report, from the OIG, noted that at 10.39pm on August 9, 2019, FBI agents observed that 'a flash of orange looks to be going up the L Tier stairs - could possibly be an inmate escorted up to that Tier'.

The inspector general appeared to draw a different conclusion to the FBI, writing of the flash of orange: 'Inmates are currently on lockdown, it is possible someone is carrying inmate linen or bedding up.' The analysis from the two investigative bodies contradicts public statements made by at least two top US officials. Bill Barr, who was the US attorney general during Trump's first term, claimed in a 2019 interview that he had personally reviewed security footage that confirmed that no one entered the area where Epstein was housed on the night he died.

And last May, former deputy director of the FBI Dan Bongino told Fox News: 'There's video clear as day. He's the only person in there and the only person coming out. You can see it.' He added shortly before the release of the video last August: 'We are working on cleaning it up to make sure you have an enhanced [version] and we're going to give the original so you don't think there were any shenanigans.'

The final report by the Inspector General stated: 'At approximately 10:39 p.m., an unidentified CO appeared to walk up the L Tier stairway, and then reappeared within view of the camera at 10:41 p.m.' The nearly 11 hours of video from outside the cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Centre in New York was put under heavy scrutiny. Forensic experts told CBS at the time that the orange blob that appears may have actually been another inmate.

Conor McCourt, a retired NYPD sergeant and forensic video expert, told the broadcaster: 'Based on the limited video, it's more likely a person in an [orange] uniform.' The release of the footage also came under fire. Despite's Bongino's 2025 promise to release the unedited version of the video from his cell, the Trump administration was criticised for allegedly doctoring the supposedly 'raw' footage using Adobe Premiere Pro from two clips. One of the clips was originally four hours and 19 minutes long, but it had nearly two minutes and 53 seconds cut out.

The cut occurs at 11:58:58 pm - which is mere milliseconds before there is a one-minute gap in the tape. The second clip resumes at midnight on the dot. Attorney General Pam Bondi blamed the gap on a 'nightly system reset'. Though the timing may suggest overlap, the metadata shows that the file was modified multiple times on May 23, 2025, over a span of more than three hours, contradicting the notion that this was 'raw' footage.

WIRED pressed the DOJ for comment on the edits at the time, and a spokesman replied in minutes, saying 'Refer you to the FBI'. The FBI then declined to comment. It comes after it was revealed that Epstein ordered the burial of two 'foreign girls' near his ranch after they were strangled to death during 'rough, fetish sex', according to an email released in the latest Epstein files. The email, sent by a person claiming to have worked for Epstein, also includes links purporting to show the late paedophile engaging in sex with underage girls.

The correspondence, first sent to a man named Eddy Aragon on November 21, 2019, before being forwarded onto the FBI , was released as part of three million documents from the Epstein files published by the US Department of Justice on Friday. In the email, titled 'Confidential: Jeffrey Epstein', the person, whose name has been redacted, claimed to have 'been there and seen it all, as a former staff at the Zorro'.

They alleged the girls were buried on the orders of Epstein and 'Madam G', believed to be Ghislaine Maxwell, at Zorro Ranch, the sex offender's sprawling New Mexico property which has long been reported to have served as one of his private playgrounds for sexual abuse and trafficking.

In the email, they wrote: 'Edward. This is sensitive, so it will be the first and last email depending on your discretion. 'You can choose to take it or trash it but this comes from a person that has been there and seen it all, as a former staff at the Zorro. The material below was taken from Jeffrey Epstein home as my insurance in case of future litigation against Epstein. SORRY NO QUESTIONS.' They added: 'What is damning about Jeffrey Epstein is yet to be written. Did you know somewhere in the hills outside the Zorro, two foreign girls were buried on orders of Jeffrey and Madam G? Both died by strangulation during rough, fetish sex.'

The sender also included links to videos which claimed to show Epstein having sex with minors, threesomes and sex with underage girls. They then demanded a payment of one Bitcoin in return for the video and information. The email was forwarded onto the FBI just three months after Epstein died while being held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City.

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A shadowy, orange object could be seen moving up the stairs to Epstein's cell block at the New York prison at around 10.40pm the night before he was found dead

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Guess who has done more than anyone to expose Epstein's evil exploits​

It has now been confirmed that Donald Trump has spent nearly two decades trying to expose the evil actions of Jeffrey Epstein, starting as far back as 2006, when the future president was already assisting Florida police. "Thank goodness you’re stopping him," Trump told a sheriff when word of the 2006 investigation of Epstein got out, adding, "Everyone has known he was doing this," while also telling authorities to focus on Ghislaine Maxwell, who he described as the creepy financier’s "evil" "operative."

That investigation led to a slap on the wrist for Epstein, who thought he was out of the woods legally, and might have been had it not been for that pesky Palm Beach neighbor named Donald Trump. That is because eventually, Trump would become president, and, during his first term, the federal investigation by his Department of Justice into Epstein would be revived, the monster would be arrested, and, well, we all know what happened next.

Even if Epstein did take the coward’s exit, killing himself and denying his victims and the public a trial and full accounting of his crimes, Trump eliminated the threat. No child would ever be a victim of Epstein again.

Fast-forward to Trump’s second term, and his White House has produced millions of pages of documents surrounding Epstein, even though the president, quite correctly, had expressed fears that innocent people could be harmed by the release. Three million pages of documents were released last week. Laid end to end, they would stretch across the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and even though redactions were legally necessary, Congress has access to the unredacted files.

To put a fine point on it, for 20 years there has been nobody on the planet who has done more to bring to light the truth behind Epstein’s crimes and associations than Trump. Yet Democrats like Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., and the GOP’s constant contrarian Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., still ludicrously insist the administration is hiding some vital and dark truth from us.

What is amazing, and a cynic might call suspicious, is that these Democrats and Massie expressed little to no interest in Epstein until Trump was sworn in for his second term. For four years under the Biden administration, no Democrat said a word about Epstein. It went back to being the crossword puzzle answer for "Horshack's sweathog pal," as far as they were concerned. It looks an awful lot like the Democrats and their little mascot Massie have focused so much attention and energy on Epstein, not to support victims, which they could have done under Biden, but to harm Trump politically.

We know there is truth to this because everything the Trump administration does, be it bombing Iran or investigating fraud in Minnesota, is treated by Democrats as a "Wag the Dog" situation where the president’s real goal is to distract from Epstein. Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., on social media this week called Trump the leader of the "Pedophile Protection Party," and called for his execution, even though, as we saw above, Trump tried to stop Epstein for decades. At the Grammy’s, alleged comedian Trevor Noah falsely claimed that Trump partied on Epstein island, and every foreign social media bot account funded by our enemies is gleefully parroting the Democrats’ lies about Trump.

There is only one thing left that Trump could do to bring more light to Epstein’s evil, and that would be to grant Maxwell the clemency she is seeking in exchange for her testimony about Epstein and his associates. But it's unclear where Democrats stand on this. I reached out to Khanna, who, to his credit, will generally text you back if you ask what he had for breakfast, to see if he could support a deal for Maxwell, given his belief that there are men guilty of child sexual abuse who still need to be punished. This time, I got no reply from Khanna. I suspect that was because there is no good answer. If this was a mob trial, you’d flip Maxwell to jail bigger fish, but if that happens, the Democrats lose Epstein as a political cudgel with which to lie about Trump.

In all likelihood, just as with the John F. Kennedy assassination, there will always be a sizable chunk of the populace that believes all kinds of Epstein conspiracies for a very long time, maybe forever. We still debate how, or even if, Roman emperors were murdered. But one thing is entirely clear to any fair observer: For 20 years, in and out of office, Donald J Trump has been exposing the evil crimes of Jeffrey Epstein, and he still is.

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Epstein files list including hundreds of high-profile celebrities and politicians is released in letter from Pam Bondi as she claims NO ONE has been spared​


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Poor Pam Bondy, congresmen are really squeezing the screw on herself.

Its obvious, Epstein was Russian agent.

OMG, what would happen if all these people lost their jobs. Would that be what's called "power vacuum"?

I find strange that so many women found way on pedofile's contact list.
 
People orbit money the way flies orbit ****. Epstein had enough money and power to attract people for various reasons, not all of them went there to boink underage girls.

That said, Bill Clinton was there more than two dozen times, flew internationally with him in an official capacity and you could argue it's about money because it undoubtedly was. If there's a Clinton involved it's about the money. But he has a number of highly suggestive pics taken of him and had a portrait him in Monica's blue dress hanging over Jeffrey's mantle. The painting came first, Epstein bought it and the clai has been 'debunked' because there is no evidence he ever hung it.

Artist who painted Bill Clinton in dress had ‘no idea’ it was hanging in Jeffrey Epstein’s mansion

Despite all that he claims the moral high ground and all anyone of that side wants is Trump Trump Trump.

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I'll bet there's a select list of people who know exactly who Bill really is and have no doubt about what he was doing with his pal.

Here's a List of Bill Clinton's Alleged Sexual Misconduct
 
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