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bleak
Adept
What got me "into" aliens? Probably Von Donneken back in HS. But I was never really a fanatical researcher or even close. I saw a UFO once back in the early 80's. Laying on a lawn in upstate NY, waiting on friends to pick me up. Stargazing. I saw a point of light move from right to left, stop, and make a 90 degree left turn and stop again. Funny but I don't remember anything after that except friends came and picked me up.
What brought me to this forum? A web search for "Anunnaki."
A coupla notes:
"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." ~ Genesis 6:4
"We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them." ~Numbers 13:33
This theory fits with early Christian writings like those discovered in Egypt in 1945; The Nag Hammadi Scriptures. The Gnostics saw the "god" of the OT as plural (Elohim is many 'El's." That is a whole can of worms/ rabbit hole right there). Gnostics called that god the "Demiurge" and it/they is not the Supreme ALL/MIND that Jesus called "Father." Has anyone here ever read the OT with total incredulity like I have? Why was the God of the OT so demanding, jealous, angry, spiteful etc etc? Why did "He" want for anything if He was God? So the "intervention theory" explains a lot of the OT. I think it may be the missing key. It's so much deeper than I've written but that's it in a nutshell.
What brought me to this forum? A web search for "Anunnaki."
A coupla notes:
It works for me. That a complete civilization "popped up" around 8000 BC (Sumeria) from what... millions of years of "evolution" only indicates that there was some kind of intervention. I think evolution is a scam designed to hide the truth.
Yes, I am one of those religious cult members who really thinks that Sitchin's hypothesis is not only possible but probable. I was hoping to find some like-minded folks here but, after skimming this thread, it doesn't look promising. Oh well, I can still learn. I think keeping an open mind is most important.
Sitchin was the scholar who assimilated all the pieces and wrote it down concisely in plain language for the populaces. One of his sources is The Epic of Gilgamesh which is, as I'm sure you know, around 4ooo years old. But his sources were primarily the Sumerian tablets, particularly ones called The Seven Tablets of Creation aka The Creation Epic.
I don't believe that Jesus has anything to do with the Anunnuki/Nibiru other than that He was and is their superior. They are inferior to the one true God/All/Mind (a rose by any...) and Jesus. The "God" of the Old Testament is/are the Anunnaki and Nephilim.
"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." ~ Genesis 6:4
"We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them." ~Numbers 13:33
This theory fits with early Christian writings like those discovered in Egypt in 1945; The Nag Hammadi Scriptures. The Gnostics saw the "god" of the OT as plural (Elohim is many 'El's." That is a whole can of worms/ rabbit hole right there). Gnostics called that god the "Demiurge" and it/they is not the Supreme ALL/MIND that Jesus called "Father." Has anyone here ever read the OT with total incredulity like I have? Why was the God of the OT so demanding, jealous, angry, spiteful etc etc? Why did "He" want for anything if He was God? So the "intervention theory" explains a lot of the OT. I think it may be the missing key. It's so much deeper than I've written but that's it in a nutshell.
I don't believe that. I believe there are many races of ET's and also divine beings like angels and demons/deamons etc. The creation myths are just that; allegory and metaphor based on some facet of the truth. That they are similar across time and space is something that Sitchin pointed out in The 12th Planet.
Regardless what you think of Sitchin's expertise in translation of Sumerian cuneiform, look at the tablets themselves especially the drawings. What the hell are they all about if not some very tall godlike beings who ruled over the smaller slave type servants? Also, I question those who "debunk" Sitchin without being able to translate a single character of cuneiform themselves. Opinions vary but looking at the overall is the key.
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nivek
As Above So Below
I'm going to read the rest of your post and properly reply but first I wanted to welcome you to the forum, glad you found us...
nivek
As Above So Below
Yet you're really just taking Sitchen's word for it, unless of course you can read those tablets to confirm Sitchen first hand?...Are there any key points in Sitchen's claims which stand out for you or convince you he is right?...
The argument of being able to translate the tablets first hand can be applied on both sides, anyone attempting to debunk and anyone attempting to promote it as fact...There are others, specialists, researchers who can translate these tablets and it seems they do not agree with Sitchen...
bleak
Adept
No, I'm not "really just taking Sitchins' word for it." That's your projection. As I've said, Sitchin is the one who put it all together. I haven't even read all his books yet. As I've said, I'm basing my belief partly on Sitchin, partly on the OT, partly on Gnostic scriptures, and partly on other sources (which weren't mentioned) particularly Lloyd Pie (see the Starchild skull) and archeological finds of things like skeletons of giants, elongated skulls that weren't "boarded," the ancient Egyptians, the ancient mining for ore in Africa and other places (ie 450,000 BC), the unfathomable monoliths all around the world... just correlate all these things and do your own research
I read one refutation of Sitchin and it left me underwhelmed. His main argument was that Sitchin wouldn't debate him. Do you really think that all "debunkers" are on the up and up? Do you not realize that there are agendas in this world to keep stuff hidden? I'm not saying you're naive; I'm asking you. And if you have any links, I'm all ears.
This kind of discourse is alright with me but I'm kind of aghast that so many people who believe in aliens are so incredulous when it comes to Intervention Theory.
bleak
Adept
Cool.
Seriously, who says that? Where does it say that? It seems like everyday is the prophesied date.
I'm dehydrating and vacuum packaging food as we speak, BTW.
starsfall
Believer
I sort of stumbled onto the topic of the paranormal and UFOs when I was younger, I would spend a lot of time alone/on the internet seeing forums and threads with people posting pictures, stories, questions. It kind of ignited a bunch of questions in my own mind, but more so a curiosity. I was into the paranormal, as in ghosts, etc, before this point, because when I was much younger, maybe from 3-9, my family frequented Salem, Massachusetts, around Halloween every year, and again randomly throughout the year. I was greatly interested in the paranormal even at this age, and especially the history behind all of it.
Aliens.. I watched a looot of documentaries and read a loooot of stories to the point where it just became a normal thing for me to be doing every day. None of my friends or family really get intrigued by the topic, so I was always isolated with all of my thoughts, so I decided to try to find somewhere I could interact with like-minded individuals. Eventually, years later, I stumbled upon Alien Hub, and met some pretty awesome people there. A year or so after that... Here I am
Aliens.. I watched a looot of documentaries and read a loooot of stories to the point where it just became a normal thing for me to be doing every day. None of my friends or family really get intrigued by the topic, so I was always isolated with all of my thoughts, so I decided to try to find somewhere I could interact with like-minded individuals. Eventually, years later, I stumbled upon Alien Hub, and met some pretty awesome people there. A year or so after that... Here I am
nivek
As Above So Below
If you have not even read Sitchen's books the there is no discussing Sitchen's work with you because you do not know it at all...You're belief appears to be of assumptions and hearsay with little foundation or substance because you haven't even read the works you claim to believe...
I have read all of Sitchen's books, I have done research into his claims, hours upon hours and days, do that then we can discuss Sitchen...
The alleged starchild skull is human...
Edit: See from my point of view we were about to have a decent debate or discussion on Sitchen's works and claims, then you drop the bombshell that you have not read all of his source material of which you're making all your claims from, so we cannot have a reasonable discussion of material you have not read, yet say I am wrong in my conclusion of his works when I have read everything Sitchen has written, years ago I might add...
August
Metanoia
August
Metanoia
Yeah I am into prepping that's a really good idea you have, you never know.
zork
Adept
Around four years ago when I was 13, I would be on my laptop watching documentaries on conspiracies, and would occasionally click on UFO videos, and alien interview videos of which, some were fake, but it got me interested. I started to later watch UFO news channels like secureteam10 etc. Now that I'm older, I mainly browse forums like this, and talk to people about what I believe when it comes to the UFO topic. I would talk to my friends about the topic and try to have a discussion, but they're so close-minded, its not worth the effort, so I flee here haha.
bleak
Adept
How many times and how many different ways do I have to tell you that I'm not basing my assumptions solely on Sitchin? How many? I told you that I believe in the Gnostic writings. I told that I read the Bible. Have you read those as well? Are you the arbiter of what prerequisite material needs to be read?
Take for example Genesis 1:26...
"Then God said, "Let us make human beings in OUR image, to be like us."
As Sitchin pointed out in book one, the Bible originally said "Then ELOHIM said..." Elohim is plural; GODS. The "GODS" made man in their own image. But the Christian controllers realized that that doesn't wash with their agenda so they changed it.
Do you know anything about the cult of El? Do you know what the hexagram of El is? Do you know where it's found? What do you know about Christian Gnostics? Do you even know what Gnosticism means? Have you read the Nag Hammadi Scriptures? How about the Vatican? Are you aware that they have a super binocular telescope in AZ called "Lucifer?"
Oh, and before I forget...
"The alleged starchild skull is human..."
Well, that settles that then. I must've been mistaken. You sure "debunked" the hell outta that. LOL.
Discuss it with me or not; I DON'T REALLY CARE.
bleak
Adept
His book doesn't seem to be available now. Anyone know where I can get it free? Funny that it was on "lulu dot com." That has to be a happy accident.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
It sounded like that......but one thing such people need to do is keep and open mind. Learning is a key thing....instead of believing everything one sees at their cult meetings or on their media.
The clowns on that show would find evidence of ancient aliens in my 20 year old garden shed. They like making things up like sitchin......does the 12th planet have a name?
bleak
Adept
bleak: I will count to ten. If you're still on the phone after ten, I'll know you got it. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine, ten. Still there?
bleak: OK, that's a confirmation.
bleak
Adept
Yeah, that was misleading. I tried to clarify but I guess it's too late now. The "Sitchin wing-nut" epithet has already been applied to me and that is that.
I'm all for keeping an open mind. I don't KNOW know (ie "gnosis" is the greek word for knowledge which is based on Experience and not merely belief) that the "intervention/interference" theory is actual fact but it is one I strongly believe in based on my search for the meaning of life from a very young age. I began reading the Gnostic Scriptures in the '80's. Back then, the Nag Hammadi translation was more like a crossword puzzle than a book. Or maybe two 34 year old males speaking in Valley Girl...
"The soul... [1] saying, 'What binds me... [see appendix Y] and my desire has [lacunae 3] like, bla bla bla."
No one has yet to post a link to convince me that Sitchin was wrong as I requested.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
No worries you're not the first person so named I've seen in various forums.
dr wu
Noble
There are many places that have refuted Sitchin's 'hypothesis' (including peer reviewed magazines)...too many to cite...there isn't a single reputable anthropologist or archaeologist that supports his ideas..at least no mainstream people. I'm sure though that one could find some fringe supporters.
Here's just one link.....came up right away in Google....but there are many.
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I think the idea that aliens visited man a long time ago and were mistaken for 'gods' an intriguing idea ...and imho it's worth looking into but unfortunately no one has presented any actual objective data or evidence that we can examine to make such a case. His interpretation of Sumerian glyphs is just that ..his interpretation ,and very few if anyone supports that translation theme. It's simply speculation and an interesting idea because Sitchin has no supporting evidence in his books,,,,they are based solely on his reading of the tales. And to make matters worse he isn't even an archaeologist or language expert; he attended London School of Economics....this is a quote from the Wiki piece on him:
"Sitchin's ideas have been rejected by scientists and academics, who dismiss his work as pseudoscience and pseudohistory. His work has been criticized for flawed methodology and mistranslations of ancient texts as well as for incorrect astronomical and scientific claims.[2]"
Zecharia Sitchin - Wikipedia