Where do you stand on the UFO enigma?

Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, Sep 4, 2017.

  1. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    Thank you for asking dr wu, a question I'd like to start a thread with for other members to post their thoughts...

    Myself I do currently think we are being visited by various alien species, not only from our known universe but from other realms, dimensions, or other labels one wishes to use...Not all UFOs are alien in origin and it is foolish in my opinion to automatically think that it must be aliens whenever the acronym UFO is used...

    I have seen many UFOs which most remain unidentified or else I would no longer call them UFOs, some I've determined them to be terrestrial in origin, one remains a mystery and unexplained...There are countless reports of abductions, sightings, eyewitness reports of aliens and there are so many fakes within those...With the lack of proof and mostly circumstantial evidence it's sometimes difficult to determine what actually transpired...
     
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  2. dr wu

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    Thanks for the reply.....I'm a bit more undecided than you apparently.
    I will say that I believe people have strange experiences and have had for centuries...even millenia perhaps as Dr Vallee and others have historically tried to document, but...I don't know origins though one can speculate and name the ones you did.; outer space as well as dimensional ,etc.....it remains to be shown imho.
    As you said the problem is that there are so many fakes and hoaxes that it has really muddied up the waters .
     
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  3. nivek

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    My perspective on the question of alien life visiting our planet comes from a perspective of a spiritual (for lack a better word) nature, many situations and events I've experienced in my journeys can fit in with the the notion of alien species visitation, abductions, and other involvement on our planet and many reasons why for this I'm sure...

    Way too many fakes to count, if there were to be a conspiracy dealing with UFOs or any subject really, it would be one of flooding the internet with fake crap of all sorts...
     
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  4. Bluelight007

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    I always have doubts as I am not good at this topic, I never know if it's a drone or a secret military weapon
     
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  5. notdej

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    niv.... Could you give me an example of fake crap & one you feel is not>> a video / photo of each.. If you've time of course.

    I've always been interested in how folk perceive what they're looking at;)
     
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  6. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    My stance is similar to Niveks.
    I have seen lights and objects in the sky that doesn't immediately fit any know explanation. I usually can figure out what I saw and explain it with terrestrial explanations. But some I could not.
    I also look at the vast number of anecdotal evidence.
    I have read well over 10,000 humanoid reports and probably 10 times that amount in just UFO reports over the decades.
    To outright dismiss it all is as crazy in my opinion as it is to be a gullible believer.
    Yes, the outright lies, fake reports hoaxes and embellished reports seriously muddies the waters.
     
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  7. Toroid

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    I try to go back to the beginning and question where this all started. According to The Urantia Book there are life carriers that seed planets with life. The intent then would be for natural evolution to push the dominant species to acquire/develop the ability to travel in space to explore the universe.
     
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  8. notdej

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    I assume you're referring to the obvious BS. But what would you class as obvious BS?

    Something you feel is an outright lie, fake report hoaxed and/or embellished could be the truth. Some of the ridiculous claims could have really happened. You don't know for a fact.

    If you dismiss what you feel is an outright lie, fake etc then there shouldn't be anything to seriously muddy the waters.

    For me the most interesting word you used is: 'embellished'>> how do you work out if a report is embellished & not just outright BS?

    I could say that every piece of data put forward has been 'embellished' no matter who the data is from when getting it from a book & all the other forms of money earning media WE ALL get our data from!
    Unless most of the data you gather is off the internet or youtube of which most will say they take with a pinch of salt...............


    Peace.

    dej...
     
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  9. Kchoo

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    For me, truth is in the subconcious. It may manifest in dreams, or hallucinations... Or in sightings, but it is much more than UFO's. They live, and walk amoung us.

    Some of us have been physically taken on trips in real Spacecraft and transported via portals...

    I don't know how it all works, or the reasons for it...

    But I think the message is really simple...

    We should learn to listen to our subconcious. It is more powerful than people want to admit.
     
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  10. nivek

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    Aren't you being a bit hypocritical, you are quick to dismiss just about anything posted on this site then turn around and say this?...So which is it, should we examine every case no matter how fake it appears to be or be quick to judge and dismiss as you have clearly done on the forum?...
     
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  11. Kchoo

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    Woah, Nivek, Re read NotDej's post. Haha... He isn't contradicting himself.
     
  12. nivek

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    Thanks, I read it twice, which is why I asked him, it isn't clear to me what he is saying...
     
  13. notdej

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    niv dear chap- I've made my stance very clear I feel. The likes of S-D & your good self have also made your stance quite clear as well.

    Going by the data we've all looked at you feel unknown entities have been or indeed are here now.

    I do not feel this when looking at this data for the reasons I've put forward many many times!

    Truth/ fact=== I've no idea if (as an example) Walton was REALLY taken by unknown entities or the Hills or if Lazar is legit & neither do you!

    They could all be the truth/fact but we will never know until solid evidence is put forward that would make even the staunch believers go WOW!

    I've never said it's not possible unknown entities are here or have been== NEVER HAVE I SAID THAT- because I think it is possible!
     
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  14. notdej

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    I feel a need to pull this bit up seperately:
    QUICK to judge!? I will always look at the data put forward (something posted in here let's say) -study it & if (normally when) I dismiss it I will ALWAYS give my reasons!

    You make it sound as if I just look at something & dismiss without any thought like: 'naa not real, a loada BS'!! Never done that in here or anywhere else...

    You may not agree with my conclusions but to say that is a little disrespectful to someone who takes time & effort to participate! All due respect...

    It kinda makes me feel I don't want to bother anymore!
     
  15. nivek

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    Perhaps my choice of words we're a little abrasive not much different than some of your posts but my comments are just based on what I read...:)
     
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  16. notdej

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    yeah perhaps at times my choice of words are a little abrasive as well- no ones perfect are they;)

    fair enough
     
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  17. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    Well spoken there.
    Yes indeed I have always consider that remote possibility.
    But we do know some that are without a doubt lies, hoaxes or fakes...do we not?
     
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  18. notdej

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    Sorry edited orig:

    of course> the bleeding obvious ones but there are many that are bleeding obvious to me but others often do not agree -- mainly regarding video footage.

    i edit footage most days as my job & can see a fake a mile off because i use the software that creates them... the problem for me personally is when this kinda footage is deemed possibly legit when i know it's not!
     
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  19. 390

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    I do believe in Alien Life, however I sometimes have doubts weather or not they exist among us. In my personal field of work, I encounter strange happenings and claims on a monthly basis, however the situations I have been included in involving UFOs, have been just that, merely an unidentified flying object.
     
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  20. dr wu

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    Can you talk a little about your 'personal field of work' where you encounter strange things, or is that something you feel uncomfortable about?
     
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