Will this Pandemic change the World forever?

nivek

As Above So Below
This topic can branch off in many different ways and there will likely be many disagreements but let's keep this a healthy discussion as all points of view are essential, each of us live in different parts of the world and live our lives differently yet on the same planet...

The entire civilization of humanity is currently being affected by this coronavirus pandemic so will it change our civilization for generations to come?...Could this pandemic bring first world countries to a third world status?...Could this coronavirus permanently change the economic foundations or structure of our societies?...

It seems that many if not all the major countries are heading into economic peril because of lockdown policies to stem the virus movement...We are protecting people from exposure to this coronavirus and likely saving lives, for instance in the US a very small percentage of its citizens have been exposed to the virus yet look at how much death it has caused and how much damage to the economy...We are sailing in somewhat uncharted territory here, sure we just had a pandemic around a hundred years ago but these are different economic times, the world operates much differently than it did back then...

It seems to me the world of man is more fragile and fractured than ever but also in a very subtle way it is more unified than ever because we all have one unifying thing in common now...We all want to rids ourselves of this coronavirus forever and we can only hope we can do that or at the very least, diminish its power over us...

I am hopeful this thread becomes very lively and filled of unique perspectives from around the world from all members and all guests reading these pages who wishes to join in, this is an important discussion, the future of our human civilization as a whole is being challenged from outside ourselves and of our own doing at the same time...

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spacecase0

earth human
I am fairly sure that what is happening will change things for a very long time.
last week I was unsure, but now I am.
when I saw that south Korea had said that people that had fully recovered and tested negative had relapsed later I knew it was never going to be the same. this means that it is very unlikely that a vaccine will ever happen for the virus.

here is an interesting take on the world before
The Lockdown Wouldn't Be So Devastating If Our Economy Wasn't So Rigged, Brittle, & Exploitive
and that world before is not going to be very possible after the virus.
sort of like how the feudal system failed in history where there was not enough resourced to have all the extra energy to support the system

my best guess is that we will have a future where everyone wears masks and where there are no large gatherings of people.
things will return to small villages and local food. maybe that will not happen in the USA, but I bet it gets way way more popular in places like china.
traveling the world for fun is likely going to be a thing of the past as well.

but then I guess most people think that I am a bit odd.
I am pretty sure that this virus is going to be good training for many people to learn how to live with way less use of "the grid"
and living in the future will be required to do so without the need of others, roads, transportation, etc...
it is time to get ready, and I think many people are just figuring that out.
 
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pepe

Celestial
I don't think it will change much at all when all said and done.

Working arrangements will change with many who have found that working from home can kill three or four birds with one stone. There will be less buttons to push and more swiping and scanning.

So much being said about being ill prepared when if we were to have invested for such an occurrence alas I think our greed would again now see it akin to readying for something we need not to. Maybe we will now become prepared but the old chestnut called time will wash the importance away, just like it always has. Very easy to see it as a failing in hind sight and during the fallout but who can honestly say that it was even a consideration the day before we knew.

Politically this could be a game changer and I see it damaging those who are economy driven.
 

pepe

Celestial
I would like to see a more Scandinavian approach be taken buy all Western nations. We would all be happier even if we had a little less choice and a few less coins. Countries with higher taxes are actually a happier people and our greed for less taxes and more in our pocket I think drives an unrest felt through generations.

It is time like this that I can more easily sense how the ill side of our Western values are seen as pretentious and fractured by the onlooker. The saying of all the gear and no idea isn't even apt any longer as we sold our gear and farmed out in search of even more of the filthy luker.

Light a candle today and pray for another egg...lol...Greedy bastards..hahaha.

Happy Easter.
 

michael59

Celestial
I would like to see a more Scandinavian approach be taken buy all Western nations. We would all be happier even if we had a little less choice and a few less coins. Countries with higher taxes are actually a happier people and our greed for less taxes and more in our pocket I think drives an unrest felt through generations.

It is time like this that I can more easily sense how the ill side of our Western values are seen as pretentious and fractured by the onlooker. The saying of all the gear and no idea isn't even apt any longer as we sold our gear and farmed out in search of even more of the filthy luker.

Light a candle today and pray for another egg...lol...Greedy bastards..hahaha.

Happy Easter.

What?.....I read this post 3 times and then again out loud to myself. I have no idea what you just said or tried to say in the post above.
 

pepe

Celestial
What?.....I read this post 3 times and then again out loud to myself. I have no idea what you just said or tried to say in the post above.

I know I'm cracking straight down the middle.

As long as you said it three times out loud then my work is done.

The happy meter shows higher taxed nations are collectively right up there and the opposite shows the same trend, low to no taxes creates less happy people. You would think the opposite would be the case but it seems that having a little less individually on the whole creates a more content state.
 

michael59

Celestial
Thank you for taking the time to explain. For the record I only read it once to myself out loud. lol

How would somebody, anybody rate that, Pepe?

If that were the case wouldn't places like Russia and China have less defectors?
 

pepe

Celestial
Thank you for taking the time to explain. For the record I only read it once to myself out loud. lol

How would somebody, anybody rate that, Pepe?

If that were the case wouldn't places like Russia and China have less defectors?

Your nations output against its numbers will give a good feel to the standard of living, the US is number one but other factors can detract from that. Like social aid, life expectancy, freedom of life choices, generosity and perceptions of corruption.

All compared to a hypothetical country named Dystopia, set after an apocalyptic event while under the fist of a dictator.

It seems to me that too much of a good thing such as freedom and opportunity can when at a certain level can possibly have a detrimental overall effect.

It's a balancing act I think when it seems as a linear direction would seem optimal for all.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
it seems that having a little less individually on the whole creates a more content state.

That statement speaks volumes as I also find it disturbing yet interestingly enough I also find it not surprising...

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pepe

Celestial
That statement speaks volumes as I also find it disturbing yet interestingly enough I also find it not surprising...

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All this has given us a few more angles to look in on and that extra I hope will hold the dividend. Things like this pandemic and world wars can slow and speed political pace and ultimately direction.

Who wins, left or right or neither ?

To me it seems the ones who hold power are those who are in peril, none of us have a sense of comparison to measure with and that is dangerous territory for leading politicians and a hunting ground for the opposition.

It's like a changing of the wind.
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
There will of course be some changes but I believe, for the most part, society will not drastically change.

After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, there were predictions that America would become like the Middle East with suicide bombers killing themselves on an almost daily basis. There have been changes in the US when it comes to security but those changes haven't really been on a dramatic level.

During the HIV epidemic in the 1980's there were predictions that much of the worlds population would die off. Instead we eventually developed effective treatments for the virus and life has gone back pretty much to normal.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
I believe our world will be changed for a long time to come. The rich and well to do will most likely land in their feet. Madonna will be able to continue with her rose petal baths. Unfortunately, millions of people live from paycheck to paycheck. Many companies will close and never open again. Where will all the people find employment?

There is also this talk of normalcy returning in weeks or short months from now. I don’t believe that rosey scenario. Until we see a vaccine we shouldn’t get ahead of ourselves. From the few reports I see, that could take a year or longer. Dispensing an antidote will be time consuming.

One of the positive notes is that the environment is becoming cleaner. How long it stays that way remains to be seen. Humans have short memories. Will we forget about all this pain, death and suffering. My bet is that any lessons learned will be short lived.
 

michael59

Celestial
There will of course be some changes but I believe, for the most part, society will not drastically change.

After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, there were predictions that America would become like the Middle East with suicide bombers killing themselves on an almost daily basis. There have been changes in the US when it comes to security but those changes haven't really been on a dramatic level.

During the HIV epidemic in the 1980's there were predictions that much of the worlds population would die off. Instead we eventually developed effective treatments for the virus and life has gone back pretty much to normal.

I think it's because we are easily distracted and or choose to forget and just move forward. Nothing changes that much. I think that the slow change is on purpose. Like the way google is slowly but surely taking over the internet. lol
 

nivek

As Above So Below
During the HIV epidemic in the 1980's there were predictions that much of the worlds population would die off. Instead we eventually developed effective treatments for the virus and life has gone back pretty much to normal.

This is really the key I think, if we can develop vaccines and have immunity to a point its not so infectious and deadly...Just basing this notion on what I've read, I think we are at least 18 months away from a possible vaccine that will actually work, but that seems to be a conservative estimate...With less than 5 percent of the population having been exposed to this coronavirus the odds are stacked against us in getting back to anything close to normal as a whole anytime soon IMO...This virus pandemic will be the financial ruin of a great many people before its over, the sooner we get a viable vaccine the better, until then we will be struggling as a species...

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Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
I'm hopeful that we'll find effective treatments very soon. There is still no cure or vaccine for HIV yet people with HIV can lead normal lives due to the treatments.

The CDC and other govt bodies had been focusing on health issues like smoking and the opioid epidemic. I still think this was the correct strategy. They had no way of knowing we would be hit by a sudden flu epidemic although, clearly, they should have been better prepared.
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
I'm not an economist so I can't speak to the economic side of the epidemic. Truth be known, I have enough trouble handling my own finances wisely.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Look at this symbolism, reason vs faith.

In this highly religious nation, for the first time, people put their faith into science over the religion, so much so, that they paint the most prominent religious symbol of the Western world, with scientific symbolism: doctor's uniform and instruments. We are definitely getting readier for UFO disclosure:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/52267816

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So the answer to the question in the title of this thread is: definitely YES! We'll be less animals and more human, after we win over this epidemic.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I know I'm cracking straight down the middle.

As long as you said it three times out loud then my work is done.

The happy meter shows higher taxed nations are collectively right up there and the opposite shows the same trend, low to no taxes creates less happy people. You would think the opposite would be the case but it seems that having a little less individually on the whole creates a more content state.

Depends on what you get for your taxes. Right now New York is the highest tax rate in the nation, at best the second, and residents are so ecstatic over it they’re leaving in droves. Or were, until very recently...
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
I would like to see a more Scandinavian approach be taken buy all Western nations. We would all be happier even if we had a little less choice and a few less coins. Countries with higher taxes are actually a happier people and our greed for less taxes and more in our pocket I think drives an unrest felt through generations.

It is time like this that I can more easily sense how the ill side of our Western values are seen as pretentious and fractured by the onlooker. The saying of all the gear and no idea isn't even apt any longer as we sold our gear and farmed out in search of even more of the filthy luker.

Light a candle today and pray for another egg...lol...Greedy bastards..hahaha.

Happy Easter.
I've heard this many times and I don't agree with the tenuous connection some experts like to make between higher taxes and happiness. One could just as easily argue that people in Scandinavian countries are happier because they're the most caucasian countries in the world or because they're the snowiest countries. Maybe they're happiest because they live near so many fjords?
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Business people should be paying extra Research & Development Tax because they are using science without paying for the most expensive part of it. That should be taxed directly from the income of businessmen, not from the shareholders' profits.
 
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